Rare hand but did i play it right?

Dazler

Had this rare hand, could I have won it if I bet heavier or differently or would the outcome been the same no matter how I played it. Or was I taking too much of a risk with AJ or KJ type hands possible? should I have shoved the turn with the flush draw?. I figured I was up against either pk pairs of some sort or Rag As after my reraise on the turn and felt my river raise felt a bit odd to me but it was more of a control bet to stop any one bluffing me off the hand if they had nothing and If they did have the J they would reshove on me. I think looking on it I should of just shoved pre.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
PIPERTUNE	Small blind		50.00	50.00	5662.50
Phant0mElf	Big blind		100.00	150.00	3850.00
	Your hole cards	K A
cjy	Fold
02dan02	Fold
iberfoptic	Fold
Dazler	Raise		400.00	550.00	3570.00
PIPERTUNE	Call		350.00	900.00	5312.50
Phant0mElf	Call		300.00	1200.00	3550.00
Flop
		J J A
PIPERTUNE	Check
Phant0mElf	Bet		300.00	1500.00	3250.00
Dazler	Call		300.00	1800.00	3270.00
PIPERTUNE	Call		300.00	2100.00	5012.50
Turn
		6
PIPERTUNE	Check
Phant0mElf	Bet		300.00	2400.00	2950.00
Dazler	Raise		700.00	3100.00	2570.00
PIPERTUNE	Call		700.00	3800.00	4312.50
Phant0mElf	Call		400.00	4200.00	2550.00
River
		3
PIPERTUNE	Check
Phant0mElf	Check
Dazler	Bet		500.00	4700.00	2070.00
PIPERTUNE	Call		500.00	5200.00	3812.50
Phant0mElf	Call		500.00	5700.00	2050.00
Dazler	Show	K A
PIPERTUNE	Show	A K
Phant0mElf	Show	A K
PIPERTUNE	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks	1900.00		5712.50
Phant0mElf	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks	1900.00		3950.00
Dazler	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks	1900.00		3970.00

Angmar2626

Why would you open shove 35bb pre?

Think flop play is fine but don't agree with any of the other streets.

Think about all the hands they're going to have in that spot and try to forget what they actually had

Summers119

Hi Dazler,

Defo up the there with one of the stranger hands ive seen haha.

Preflop you want to raise between 2-2.5x the big blind as you need to balance the raise sizes with all your hands so you can't get exploited. Also if you 2x get 3bet then you can easily shove preflop as played, when you 4x it looks very strong and narrows your range.

Flop facing the lead I like the call.

Turn is the tricky street, when people continue betting for the same small size on the flop it looks like a weaker ace not a jack, however, the guy behind could be slow playing especially if we have an ace and we think the betting leader has an ace (only 1 ace left, 2 jacks), therefore, id probably call once again and if the guy behind raises small call and if he shoves fold.

River is fine, but for the reasons stated above, I may check decide instead of leading small especially when your AK raise gets called twice, its hard to think we are ahead of both ranges often enough to justify getting value, however, ive seen some crazy things in my time so maybe small lead is good.

Dazler

Summers119 said:

Hi Dazler,

Defo up the there with one of the stranger hands ive seen haha.

Preflop you want to raise between 2-2.5x the big blind as you need to balance the raise sizes with all your hands so you can't get exploited. Also if you 2x get 3bet then you can easily shove preflop as played, when you 4x it looks very strong and narrows your range.

Flop facing the lead I like the call.

Turn is the tricky street, when people continue betting for the same small size on the flop it looks like a weaker ace not a jack, however, the guy behind could be slow playing especially if we have an ace and we think the betting leader has an ace (only 1 ace left, 2 jacks), therefore, id probably call once again and if the guy behind raises small call and if he shoves fold.

River is fine, but for the reasons stated above, I may check decide instead of leading small especially when your AK raise gets called twice, its hard to think we are ahead of both ranges often enough to justify getting value, however, ive seen some crazy things in my time so maybe small lead is good.

Agree with your pre flop advice. I think with my turn reraise i wanted to gauge where i was and see if they had a J as they would most likeley reshove not wanting someone to hit the flush. Especialy as i had the flush draw myself, probably should of just flat called this again as if I hit the flush on the river then I wouldnt care if they did have the J. If no flush comes then my riverbet stops bluffs or rags shoving making harder decision for me to call the river and if they reshove the 500 raise on river with a J i could still fold. Didnt want to check the river as was in mid position and last player might then think he was ahead with his A and bet heavy putting me in a hard spot to call.

Dazler

Angmar2626 said:

Why would you open shove 35bb pre?

Think flop play is fine but don't agree with any of the other streets.

Think about all the hands they're going to have in that spot and try to forget what they actually had

Quick double up lol
Yea I should of flat called the turn.

hhyftrftdr

What's the logic behind wanting to ''stop bluffs''?

Raise pre is way too big.

MattBates

Confused by some of the logic. When you 4x pre do you think rag aces call? Is this a raise sizing specific to this table or a standard one for you? When you raise so big we fold out loads of the hands that we want to call and we reduce the chances of people three betting light.
Think this is a check call hand down all streets. When we start raising we fold out bluffs and value hands that we beat.

misterpj

This is sensational stuff,Angmar said it,'MATT' said, even the Dr had to 'av a word' but

misterpj

'MATT' said it... (but?) where (is the,oh so obvious bloHard? Who,would have chimmed in, if I had said it?

misterpj

Put ya HAND, in the air,if? U know, too whom,I refer? ' a shallow end player, but,talks it,like a multi bracelet winner

misterpj

Matt said it,Angmar said it, ( the Dr)? Well U know,and I know! But? The MOUTHPIECE? Go on then,take on Matt