Cheating on Stones Casino live stream?

Allan23

Anyone seen the fascinating cheating allegations against Mike Postle at the moment? This gives a pretty good breakdown although Joey Ingram's 5 hour breakdown of hands video was more extensive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDtE9vrRiA

I expect this to carry on for a while, hopefully a member of the casino/production team who was in on it (seems impossible he did it alone?) or at least had doubts about Postle comes forward so we can have some closure on it

mumsie

Without watching Doug Polks video , I've heard Postle is a loose manic bad player, it's possible he ran exceptionally well, it happens.

Allan23

@mumsie yeah I thought that too, until you see the hands and all the other stuff surrounding it

Angmar2626

So ridiculous!

BigHawk89

mumsie said:

Without watching Doug Polks video , I've heard Postle is a loose manic bad player, it's possible he ran exceptionally well, it happens.

If you see any of the videos it's very obvious he's cheating. He constantly looks into his lap everytime he's in a hand.

Some of the hands are just laughable he makes the correct river decision 100% of the time.

He won something stupid like 35 out of 37 sessions.

Tikay10

Utterly fascinating story. Makes me smile when folks keep coming on saying "online poker is rigged". It's FAR more likely that Live Games are a bent coup.

Think the guy has a lot of explaining to do.

Forget all the unlikely hands he won with, & how he plays them. Look "wider", look at his record in that game over the last 2 years. It's simply not possible to run that good & make that much money in consecutive sessions. Nobody is that good.

There's a great hand where he has 6-4 or somesuch on a 9-6-K-A-A run out, it's eye-watering stuff.

Tikay10

Another "how he could have done it" theory gets aired....

https://twitter.com/Chase_Bianchi/status/1179525506829602816

Allan23

@Tikay10 found this on twitter - Potripper being the infamous Ultimate Bet superuser (access to all other hole cards). Obv Postle's sample size isn't too big, as its live compared to online, so it seems he's also getting lucky/running well with his "potential" cheating as well - ridiculous!

Tikay10

I'd really like to think he is innocent, but the evidence is just so overwhelming.

madprof

Tikay10 said:

I'd really like to think he is innocent, but the evidence is just so overwhelming.

I make some crazy calls/raises with relative sh ite hands; they don't work for me like they do for him...apart from this one yesterday...yes, yes I know I shouldn't have called the turn but you know when you get the 'MikePostle' feeling youre gonna hit?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
madprof	Small blind		50.00	50.00	5205.00
boggo	Big blind		100.00	150.00	3940.00
	Your hole cards	K 9
millsylad	Fold
mario0	Fold
Kidpoke450	Fold
	Raise		200.00	350.00	3470.00
madprof	Call		150.00	500.00	5055.00
boggo	Call		100.00	600.00	3840.00
Flop
		5 A 9
madprof	Check
boggo	Check
	Bet		300.00	900.00	3170.00
madprof	Call		300.00	1200.00	4755.00
boggo	Fold
Turn
		4
madprof	Bet		300.00	1500.00	4455.00
MattBates	Raise		900.00	2400.00	2270.00
madprof	Call		600.00	3000.00	3855.00
River
		9
madprof	Check
	Bet		1200.00	4200.00	1070.00
madprof	All-in		3855.00	8055.00	0.00
	All-in		1070.00	9125.00	0.00
madprof	Unmatched bet		1585.00	7540.00	1585.00
madprof	Show	K 9
	Show	A K
madprof	Win	Three 9s	7540.00		9125.00

madprof

madprof said:

Tikay10 said:

I'd really like to think he is innocent, but the evidence is just so overwhelming.

I make some crazy calls/raises with relative sh ite hands; they don't work for me like they do for him...apart from this one yesterday...yes, yes I know I shouldn't have called the turn but you know when you get the 'MikePostle' feeling youre gonna hit?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
madprof	Small blind		50.00	50.00	5205.00
boggo	Big blind		100.00	150.00	3940.00
	Your hole cards	K 9
millsylad	Fold
mario0	Fold
Kidpoke450	Fold
	Raise		200.00	350.00	3470.00
madprof	Call		150.00	500.00	5055.00
boggo	Call		100.00	600.00	3840.00
Flop
		5 A 9
madprof	Check
boggo	Check
	Bet		300.00	900.00	3170.00
madprof	Call		300.00	1200.00	4755.00
boggo	Fold
Turn
		4
madprof	Bet		300.00	1500.00	4455.00
MattBates	Raise		900.00	2400.00	2270.00
madprof	Call		600.00	3000.00	3855.00
River
		9
madprof	Check
	Bet		1200.00	4200.00	1070.00
madprof	All-in		3855.00	8055.00	0.00
	All-in		1070.00	9125.00	0.00
madprof	Unmatched bet		1585.00	7540.00	1585.00
madprof	Show	K 9
	Show	A K
madprof	Win	Three 9s	7540.00		9125.00

sh it sorry missed one..sorry Matt, just so say yes, the evidence is certainly there but just sometimes we make the crazy call...

mumsie

I knew something wasnt right.

HOw can i get a refund?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
H3nry	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£15.89
Kalh4	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£4.55
878787	Big blind		£0.10	£0.25	£7.90
	Your hole cards	A J
mumsie	Raise		£0.40	£0.65	£9.74
des1980	Fold
878787	Fold
Mike Postle	Call		£0.40	£1.05	£4.88
H3nry	Fold
Kalh4	Call		£0.30	£1.35	£4.25
Flop
		Q K A
Kalh4	Check
mumsie	Bet		£0.68	£2.03	£9.06
Mike Postle	Call		£0.68	£2.71	£4.20
Kalh4	Fold
Turn
		5
mumsie	Bet		£2.03	£4.74	£7.03
Mike Postle	Raise		£4.16	£8.90	£0.04
mumsie	Raise		£4.26	£13.16	£2.77
Mike Postle	All-in		£0.04	£13.20	£0.00
mumsie	Unmatched bet		£2.09	£11.11	£4.86
mumsie	Show	A J
Mike Postle	Show	10 K
River
		J
Mike Postle	Win	Straight to the Ace	£10.27		£10.27

mumsie

Back on topic.


When you watch footage of Postle after hes been accused, youre 99% sure hes cheating due to his mannerisms, If you watched them with no accusations in place you wouldnt give it a second thought.

Reminds me of Bruce Grobbelaar, a wonderful keeper, but when you see footage after hes accused , it actually looks like hes throwing away matches.

Tikay10

That's very fair comment @mumsie.

That's why I prefer the hard evidence, the number of winning sessions etc.

Danyo0

very interesting indeed, being from Glasgow something very similar happened here with a guy nicknamed "egyptian billy", so I wonder if he used a similar method as him. The story here : https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/furious-poker-players-oust-billy-13018353

SuperAyr25

mumsie said:

Without watching Doug Polks video , I've heard Postle is a loose manic bad player, it's possible he ran exceptionally well, it happens.

I thought that at first if you watch the video he has no defence guilty all over him

mumsie

Whats occuring when they say the Graphics are wrong ?

I dont understand this , so im going to take a stab.

The people in the back room get to see the hands live , via a RFID link ( im assuming this is correct).


No one from outside this room can contact inside the room. I assume.
No one inside can communicate with the people outside , this makes sense.

When the cards at the table dont match the graphic cards in the room, how can the commentators know ?

I think this is suggest in the chat in this video.



Joeingram loses his mind @ 1:47:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg34YTF-meA&loop=0

BigHawk89

Looks like when he makes an insane shove with air like this they try and justify it by changing his whole cards to the nuts. Apparently it's impossible for them to know it's wrong, they can only tell if the player tells them so. It's very fishy!

Tikay10

For those really interested in this fascinating tale, there are 2 really good feeds on Twitter you should follow;

1) Joey Ingram - https://twitter.com/Joeingram1

2) Doug Polk - https://twitter.com/DougPolkPoker

Warning - once you start reading that stuff, it's addictive.

In fact Doug & Joey are doing a "Live" broadcast about it right now, here;

https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/status/1179810921473961985

mumsie

Joey Ingram " This guy always leaves his keys on the table, I dont get that, why would someone leave their keys on the table?".

LOL

https://twitter.com/i/status/1179605054740996096

Tikay10

mumsie said:

Joey Ingram " This guy always leaves his keys on the table, I dont get that, why would someone leave their keys on the table?".

LOL

That's psychology weaving it's magic.

Because we think he's doing something amiss, our mind over-compensates & we see all sorts of things, most of which are probably irrelevant.

And that's why there are so many "online poker is rigged" eccentrics. Their imagination runs away with them.