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Trump to be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize......NOT!

madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,419
Does this man know no shame in his meddling in the tragic death of Harry Dunn?

It’s simply down to the Northamptonshire police to do the right thing and start extradition procedures...or has Trump’s blond,tubby puppet shook his awe in
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,536
    I am getting fed up of seeing them on the news every day.
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    Diplomatic immunity was never meant to be used in this callous way.
    If our “ Special Relationship “ means anything at all ( apart from invading Countries together) Trump and Johnson need to show a smidgeon of compassion , get the woman back here and let our Courts decide on justice for the Dunn family.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,536
    tomgoodun said:

    Diplomatic immunity was never meant to be used in this callous way.
    If our “ Special Relationship “ means anything at all ( apart from invading Countries together) Trump and Johnson need to show a smidgeon of compassion , get the woman back here and let our Courts decide on justice for the Dunn family.

    The family have accepted that it was an accident.

    So what do they want?
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    Diplomatic immunity was never meant to be used in this callous way.
    If our “ Special Relationship “ means anything at all ( apart from invading Countries together) Trump and Johnson need to show a smidgeon of compassion , get the woman back here and let our Courts decide on justice for the Dunn family.

    The family have accepted that it was an accident.

    So what do they want?
    The woman was ( allegedly) driving on the wrong side of the road.
    When first interviewed by the police she said she had “ No intention “ of leaving the Country.
    The family want her to come back and let our police finish their enquiries , interview further, and our Court to decide her fate.
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    It was later reported that Anne was driving on the wrong side of the road when she crashed head on, into Harry.

    Northamptonshire Police confirmed Anne fled Britain claiming diplomatic immunity.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,662
    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    Diplomatic immunity was never meant to be used in this callous way.
    If our “ Special Relationship “ means anything at all ( apart from invading Countries together) Trump and Johnson need to show a smidgeon of compassion , get the woman back here and let our Courts decide on justice for the Dunn family.

    The family have accepted that it was an accident.

    So what do they want?
    The woman was ( allegedly) driving on the wrong side of the road.
    When first interviewed by the police she said she had “ No intention “ of leaving the Country.
    The family want her to come back and let our police finish their enquiries , interview further, and our Court to decide her fate.
    Having dealt with thousands of RTAs, got to say this is not correct.

    Relatives don't get to meet the driver-they pursue the driver's insurers to get money. I know that's not perfect, but it is the best that can be done in this sorry situation. No need for a criminal conviction in a Civil case. That is the estate of the deceased against the driver/their insurers. A criminal case is the state against the driver only. Provided she was insured (and no-one has said otherwise) this looks like a straightforward civil case.

    Diplomatic immunity is essential for the smooth-running of the world. Otherwise diplomats would be sent to their deaths for (as an example) being gay. No Criminal Court could ever deal with any motoring offence in this situation.

    I feel sorry for the parents. I cannot promise that, if it was 1 of my kids, I wouldn't do the same in their position. But they are prolonging their grief.
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    Essexphil said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    Diplomatic immunity was never meant to be used in this callous way.
    If our “ Special Relationship “ means anything at all ( apart from invading Countries together) Trump and Johnson need to show a smidgeon of compassion , get the woman back here and let our Courts decide on justice for the Dunn family.

    The family have accepted that it was an accident.

    So what do they want?
    The woman was ( allegedly) driving on the wrong side of the road.
    When first interviewed by the police she said she had “ No intention “ of leaving the Country.
    The family want her to come back and let our police finish their enquiries , interview further, and our Court to decide her fate.
    Having dealt with thousands of RTAs, got to say this is not correct.

    Relatives don't get to meet the driver-they pursue the driver's insurers to get money. I know that's not perfect, but it is the best that can be done in this sorry situation. No need for a criminal conviction in a Civil case. That is the estate of the deceased against the driver/their insurers. A criminal case is the state against the driver only. Provided she was insured (and no-one has said otherwise) this looks like a straightforward civil case.

    Diplomatic immunity is essential for the smooth-running of the world. Otherwise diplomats would be sent to their deaths for (as an example) being gay. No Criminal Court could ever deal with any motoring offence in this situation.

    I feel sorry for the parents. I cannot promise that, if it was 1 of my kids, I wouldn't do the same in their position. But they are prolonging their grief.
    Are you saying that if the woman was indeed driving on the wrong side of the road, and caused this poor lads death by doing so, there is no need for a criminal investigation?

    I understand about the need for Diplomatic Immunity , hence me saying it wasn’t meant to be used in this callous way.
    If she hasn’t done wrong she shouldn’t be afraid to come back ( As we have such a special relationship 😏)
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,536
    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    Diplomatic immunity was never meant to be used in this callous way.
    If our “ Special Relationship “ means anything at all ( apart from invading Countries together) Trump and Johnson need to show a smidgeon of compassion , get the woman back here and let our Courts decide on justice for the Dunn family.

    The family have accepted that it was an accident.

    So what do they want?
    The woman was ( allegedly) driving on the wrong side of the road.
    When first interviewed by the police she said she had “ No intention “ of leaving the Country.
    The family want her to come back and let our police finish their enquiries , interview further, and our Court to decide her fate.
    This was an absolutely tragic incident.

    I can only imagine the pain caused by the loss of a child.

    On average 5 people get killed in this country in road accidents every day.

    Most of those that have suffered a loss in these accidents, don't feel it necessary to hunt down those that were involved.

    They grieve quietly, privately, and let the police get on with their job.

    There is no dispute over what happened in this case, as CCTV is available.

    The parents have had plenty to say in the media.

    Including that they didn't want the culprit going to jail, and becoming separated from her children, although I am not sure of the chances of this as everyone is calling it an accident.

    They also claimed they just wanted an apology, yet when offered one yesterday, they declined.

    If this is a criminal matter it will be pursued by the police.

    If they wish to bring a civil case they can just get on with it.

    They just seem to me to be thinking they are starring in some sort of reality tv show.

    As I said earlier this is an absolute tragedy, but I find myself losing sympathy for them, due to the way they have handled the situation.

    How many times do you see people that have suffered an equally tragic loss, appearing in the media just once, with dignity to ask for privacy, and to be left alone.

    Had they done this I would feel deeply sorry for them.

    This family are courting publicity.
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    Diplomatic immunity was never meant to be used in this callous way.
    If our “ Special Relationship “ means anything at all ( apart from invading Countries together) Trump and Johnson need to show a smidgeon of compassion , get the woman back here and let our Courts decide on justice for the Dunn family.

    The family have accepted that it was an accident.

    So what do they want?
    The woman was ( allegedly) driving on the wrong side of the road.
    When first interviewed by the police she said she had “ No intention “ of leaving the Country.
    The family want her to come back and let our police finish their enquiries , interview further, and our Court to decide her fate.
    This was an absolutely tragic incident.

    I can only imagine the pain caused by the loss of a child.

    On average 5 people get killed in this country in road accidents every day.

    Most of those that have suffered a loss in these accidents, don't feel it necessary to hunt down those that were involved.

    They grieve quietly, privately, and let the police get on with their job.

    There is no dispute over what happened in this case, as CCTV is available.

    The parents have had plenty to say in the media.

    Including that they didn't want the culprit going to jail, and becoming separated from her children, although I am not sure of the chances of this as everyone is calling it an accident.

    They also claimed they just wanted an apology, yet when offered one yesterday, they declined.

    If this is a criminal matter it will be pursued by the police.

    If they wish to bring a civil case they can just get on with it.

    They just seem to me to be thinking they are starring in some sort of reality tv show.

    As I said earlier this is an absolute tragedy, but I find myself losing sympathy for them, due to the way they have handled the situation.

    How many times do you see people that have suffered an equally tragic loss, appearing in the media just once, with dignity to ask for privacy, and to be left alone.

    Had they done this I would feel deeply sorry for them.

    This family are courting publicity.
    I disagree with the “ Family is Courting publicity “
    This all stems on the woman claiming diplomatic immunity and fleeing the Country
    The family ( As I see it) are doing everything they can to apply a certain moral pressure on the Authorities that allow this act.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,536
    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    Diplomatic immunity was never meant to be used in this callous way.
    If our “ Special Relationship “ means anything at all ( apart from invading Countries together) Trump and Johnson need to show a smidgeon of compassion , get the woman back here and let our Courts decide on justice for the Dunn family.

    The family have accepted that it was an accident.

    So what do they want?
    The woman was ( allegedly) driving on the wrong side of the road.
    When first interviewed by the police she said she had “ No intention “ of leaving the Country.
    The family want her to come back and let our police finish their enquiries , interview further, and our Court to decide her fate.
    This was an absolutely tragic incident.

    I can only imagine the pain caused by the loss of a child.

    On average 5 people get killed in this country in road accidents every day.

    Most of those that have suffered a loss in these accidents, don't feel it necessary to hunt down those that were involved.

    They grieve quietly, privately, and let the police get on with their job.

    There is no dispute over what happened in this case, as CCTV is available.

    The parents have had plenty to say in the media.

    Including that they didn't want the culprit going to jail, and becoming separated from her children, although I am not sure of the chances of this as everyone is calling it an accident.

    They also claimed they just wanted an apology, yet when offered one yesterday, they declined.

    If this is a criminal matter it will be pursued by the police.

    If they wish to bring a civil case they can just get on with it.

    They just seem to me to be thinking they are starring in some sort of reality tv show.

    As I said earlier this is an absolute tragedy, but I find myself losing sympathy for them, due to the way they have handled the situation.

    How many times do you see people that have suffered an equally tragic loss, appearing in the media just once, with dignity to ask for privacy, and to be left alone.

    Had they done this I would feel deeply sorry for them.

    This family are courting publicity.
    I disagree with the “ Family is Courting publicity “
    This all stems on the woman claiming diplomatic immunity and fleeing the Country
    The family ( As I see it) are doing everything they can to apply a certain moral pressure on the Authorities that allow this act.
    I thought it was about the tragic death of a son.

    He wont be coming back, whatever happens.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,536
    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    Diplomatic immunity was never meant to be used in this callous way.
    If our “ Special Relationship “ means anything at all ( apart from invading Countries together) Trump and Johnson need to show a smidgeon of compassion , get the woman back here and let our Courts decide on justice for the Dunn family.

    The family have accepted that it was an accident.

    So what do they want?
    The woman was ( allegedly) driving on the wrong side of the road.
    When first interviewed by the police she said she had “ No intention “ of leaving the Country.
    The family want her to come back and let our police finish their enquiries , interview further, and our Court to decide her fate.
    This was an absolutely tragic incident.

    I can only imagine the pain caused by the loss of a child.

    On average 5 people get killed in this country in road accidents every day.

    Most of those that have suffered a loss in these accidents, don't feel it necessary to hunt down those that were involved.

    They grieve quietly, privately, and let the police get on with their job.

    There is no dispute over what happened in this case, as CCTV is available.

    The parents have had plenty to say in the media.

    Including that they didn't want the culprit going to jail, and becoming separated from her children, although I am not sure of the chances of this as everyone is calling it an accident.

    They also claimed they just wanted an apology, yet when offered one yesterday, they declined.

    If this is a criminal matter it will be pursued by the police.

    If they wish to bring a civil case they can just get on with it.

    They just seem to me to be thinking they are starring in some sort of reality tv show.

    As I said earlier this is an absolute tragedy, but I find myself losing sympathy for them, due to the way they have handled the situation.

    How many times do you see people that have suffered an equally tragic loss, appearing in the media just once, with dignity to ask for privacy, and to be left alone.

    Had they done this I would feel deeply sorry for them.

    This family are courting publicity.
    I disagree with the “ Family is Courting publicity “
    This all stems on the woman claiming diplomatic immunity and fleeing the Country
    The family ( As I see it) are doing everything they can to apply a certain moral pressure on the Authorities that allow this act.
    The parents made it clear early on, that all they wanted was an apology which was offered yesterrday.
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    “ If this is a criminal matter it will be pursued by the police”

    A high ranking police officer was interviewed on the radio asking if there’s anything they can do to make the woman come back now she’s claiming diplomatic immunity, the answer? “ No”
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    The statements from the family I have heard is they want the woman to return and let the police conduct their investigation.
    Maybe the other statements they have made regarding wanting an apology rather than her being jailed also fit into this narrative.
    Either way, someone who commits an ( alleged) criminal act and then claims diplomatic immunity is just wrong .
    Yvonne Fletcher ...
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,419
    @haysie....”sick of seeing them on telly?” Surprised at your lack of compassion...

    Also with Trump trying to railroad the couple to meet the guilty party-yes with CCTV footage, she is clearly guilty-so he can look like he’s above the law( again)

    @Essexphil

    Where there is clear evidence of a criminal activity, at best driving without due care and attention at worst manslaughter, surely for the police to apply for extradition and both govt, political figureheads to step aside and let due process take place?

    If it was my son and I had the opportunity to meet the woman in the same circumstances, trust me I would have taken it and in all likelihood I would be facing criminal charges myself....
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,536
    tomgoodun said:

    “ If this is a criminal matter it will be pursued by the police”

    A high ranking police officer was interviewed on the radio asking if there’s anything they can do to make the woman come back now she’s claiming diplomatic immunity, the answer? “ No”

    And?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,536
    edited October 2019
    tomgoodun said:

    The statements from the family I have heard is they want the woman to return and let the police conduct their investigation.
    Maybe the other statements they have made regarding wanting an apology rather than her being jailed also fit into this narrative.
    Either way, someone who commits an ( alleged) criminal act and then claims diplomatic immunity is just wrong .
    Yvonne Fletcher ...

    Yvonne fletcher was murdered, you are surely not using this as a comparison?
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    The statements from the family I have heard is they want the woman to return and let the police conduct their investigation.
    Maybe the other statements they have made regarding wanting an apology rather than her being jailed also fit into this narrative.
    Either way, someone who commits an ( alleged) criminal act and then claims diplomatic immunity is just wrong .
    Yvonne Fletcher ...

    Yvonne fletcher was murdered, you are surely using this as a comparison?
    I’m using it as a comparison on “ Diplomatic Immunity “ basis.

    If this woman was driving on the wrong side of the road causing death by dangerous driving then claims Diplomatic Immunity to flee the law., surely you can see wrong here?
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,833
    Accident or not,the facts are that a person currently under an ongoing police investigation has for whatever reason decided to leave the country. It's not their decision to decide their innocence or guilt and as such should've remained available to any further interviews,investigation until such time that the police have concluded their inquiries and decided on whatever action was needed. She should come back answer any charges laid at her and if needed defend those charges in a court of law.There is a saying "Not only must justice be done,it must also be seen to be done".
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    “ If this is a criminal matter it will be pursued by the police”

    A high ranking police officer was interviewed on the radio asking if there’s anything they can do to make the woman come back now she’s claiming diplomatic immunity, the answer? “ No”

    And?
    And.... if she has committed a criminal offence the police can do precisely.... nothing
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,536
    tomgoodun said:

    The statements from the family I have heard is they want the woman to return and let the police conduct their investigation.
    Maybe the other statements they have made regarding wanting an apology rather than her being jailed also fit into this narrative.
    Either way, someone who commits an ( alleged) criminal act and then claims diplomatic immunity is just wrong .
    Yvonne Fletcher ...

    I think you can argue this dependant on the height of the horse you are sat on.

    Firstly, many people that were faced with the choice of jumping on a plane, and avoiding any repercussions of an accident they were involved in, lets say on holiday, would be glad to do so.

    That's not to say that it is the correct thing to do.

    I am not clear on the type of investigation the police wish to conduct.

    They have CCTV footage available.

    Is anyone expecting the American to put her life on hold, and travel back to the UK, and rent a property for a few months while some sort of investigation is conducted, and possibly going to court sometime later.

    Lower your horse a little bit. You are in Thailand on holiday. You are involved in a road accident. They can happen to anyone. The police say give us your passport, you are not going anywhere for a few months. Your wife and kids can go but you are not. You would be over the moon.

    Where would you stay?
    What would it cost?
    Your job?
    Your mortgage?
    Your house?

    I don't think anyone has said this was a criminal act.

    A criminal act requires intent, and the only description I have heard anyone use describing the incident, is an accident.

    She has been on again this morning, mentioning twice in the same sentence that Donald Trump was holding her hand.

    WOW.
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