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Multi way "all in" early game in BH.

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  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    oynutter said:

    I'm talking about spots where you double up with 90% odds, eg, aa vs aq when the flop comes 52q and the turn comes3 ect, many such spots.

    I'm not the only player that finds a fold 4way in that spot surely? eg allan23 above

    Don't think Allan post was serious
  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    In a 55quid tournie, where you might win 2k, I think it's a +ev fold. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but maybe not?
  • Allan23Allan23 Member Posts: 876
    MattBates said:

    oynutter said:

    I'm talking about spots where you double up with 90% odds, eg, aa vs aq when the flop comes 52q and the turn comes3 ect, many such spots.

    I'm not the only player that finds a fold 4way in that spot surely? eg allan23 above

    Don't think Allan post was serious
    How did you know?
  • Allan23Allan23 Member Posts: 876
    oynutter said:

    I'm talking about spots where you double up with 90% odds, eg, aa vs aq when the flop comes 52q and the turn comes3 ect, many such spots.

    I'm not the only player that finds a fold 4way in that spot surely? eg allan23 above

    I see your point but these sorts of set ups happen rarely where we are able to get all the money in with 90% or whatever. What happens when you have aq on a Q93? Do you just snap fold everything that isn’t the basic nuts or is gonna have 90%? In any MTT (as Essexphil says that isn’t a satellite or something) folding AA pre is a huge no-no. It’s even a get in in a 2.20 deep stack

  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    edited October 2019
    Thanks Allan, I'm not folding in most games, certainly not in a 2.20, or 5 quid game, but in a 55 quid game where it's 2k for the winner, I still think the chances of winning are better without taking a 4way flip in the early stages of a well structured tournament.
  • Allan23Allan23 Member Posts: 876
    oynutter said:

    Thanks Allan, I'm not folding in most games, certainly not in a 2.20, or 5 quid game, but in a 55 quid game where it's 2k for the winner, I still think the chances of winning are better without taking a 4way flip in the early stages of a well structured tournament.

    The skill level in a 55 (especially on sky) will be a lot higher than any 5.50 or 2.20. That’s even MORE reason to get in anything that is in any way plus ev (AA included) - you aren’t gonna find easy risk free double up spots no matter the structure
  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    edited October 2019
    But it's hardly risk free in a 50/50 scenario, half the time you lose the lot innit.
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    oynutter said:

    But it's hardly risk free in a 50/50 scenario, half the time you lose the lot innit.

    50% of the time you lose and 50% you 4x your money. Surely is a no brainer?
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    I think you massively overestimating your edge in any game if you think you can find a better spot.
  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    MattBates said:

    I think you massively overestimating your edge in any game if you think you can find a better spot.

    Hi Matt, I think it may be because I usually play much smaller stakes, I have a good edge in small games, but I'm certainly aware that my edge quickly disappears when playing bigger games
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,525
    oynutter said:

    MattBates said:

    I think you massively overestimating your edge in any game if you think you can find a better spot.

    Hi Matt, I think it may be because I usually play much smaller stakes, I have a good edge in small games, but I'm certainly aware that my edge quickly disappears when playing bigger games
    Great thread guys.

    Floppa - if your edge reduces in higher stake games, which it clearly must do, then surely all the more reason to take these spots?

    Many of us - certainly me - play a bit scared at higher stakes, & I think this is a fundamental error. It's counter-intuitive, but it's so much more important to gamble in these spots if we think the field has an edge on us.

  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    Hi Tikay, you're right there of-course, but I only got 50 quid left in my bankroll lol---- I took a bad flip at spt brighton trying to double up to 200k -- ended up doing two rebuys. Then financial disaster ensued when I tried to rent a flat, still not recovered --- Yeah, playing too tight is bad for sure, won't be playing the big boys till I got a proper roll again. Just feels wrong to take a 4way flip when trying to win a 2k tournament.
  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    Don't forget, I am a proper Nutter! :D
  • JJBinksJJBinks Member Posts: 440
    Thanks guys, some great feedback exactly what I was looking for, thank you.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,525
    edited October 2019
    oynutter said:

    Don't forget, I am a proper Nutter! :D

    It has been noted mate. ;)

    You'll be fine, you always find a way to bounce back & overcome challenges. Proper bloke, you. Mad, but proper.
  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    JJBinks said:

    Thanks guys, some great feedback exactly what I was looking for, thank you.

    Nice one binks! Are you flippin mad in these spots then, or what?- :)
  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    Tikay10 said:

    oynutter said:

    Don't forget, I am a proper Nutter! :D

    It has been noted mate. ;)

    You'll be fine, you always find a way to bounce back & overcome challenges. Proper bloke, you. Mad, but proper.
    Hopefully, bouncing back is what I do best lol. One more bounce for the road!
  • JJBinksJJBinks Member Posts: 440
    oynutter said:

    JJBinks said:

    Thanks guys, some great feedback exactly what I was looking for, thank you.

    Nice one binks! Are you flippin mad in these spots then, or what?- :)
    Probably to standard to be fair. Cant lose what you don't put in the middle.
  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    Could someone tell me how to do those @somebody taggy things? I want to have a go at Matt when I lose a 4way flip for the rest of my roll lol
  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    WOOPS! i THINK i SUSSED IT! Cheers lads! floppa whoppa!
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