I thought we were debating immigrants wanting to come here to work. Asylum seekers are a different group altogether. Some have funds,some don’t. Those who don’t,would probably head straight for the benefits queue. And they’re entitled to them as the law stands.
Asylum seekers get paid benefits while they await the result of whether they are allowed to stay. They arent allowed to work. It can take up to 20 years to decide their case. EU citizens with the right to work aren't asylum seekers.
The illegals have probably turned up with a visa, or on holiday and haven't left. They have wised up. We aren't as clever as we think we are. We wont deport them without seeing their passport. So even when we catch them, they just say they haven't got a passport, refuse to give their address, and we just let them go.
In the USA they are a bit cleverer as they don't allow people in without taking their photo, and fingerprints. So they can identify many of the illegals they catch.
This particular incident (however tragic) doesn't appear to be about genuine asylum seekers or EU migrant workers seeking a better life.It does seem to involve people outside of the EU,namely Vietnamese nationals,whose purpose was to gain illegal entry to seek some sort of employment,which bearing in mind their illegal status,would more than likely result in their 'employment' in the black economy.Which then puts their own safety and well being into danger,having no access to healthcare,social help etc.The very real probability of ending up in the hands of gang masters,criminals or being forced into servitude are then more likely than not,that's how they survive,disappear,remain,by being forced to go underground and off the social radar.No doubt this is not what these people were told was in store for them when they agreed/paid to make the journey from their homeland.That doesn't mean every country should have open/reduced borders to facilitate the process for those seeking to gain illegal entry to another country ahead of those that follow the legal routes/rules of immigration.
39 people die a horrible death in the back of a lorry and people only care about red tape and rules and regulations.
People travel thousands of miles in awful conditions just to try and experience something that we mostly take for granted yet ultimately had no control over whatsoever.
One right wing person in here wants to tag people ffs
I don't see why people trying to make better lives for themselves and their families is so often frowned upon by little Englanders.
Haysie, you said they were smarter in the States, photos and fingerprinting, eye scanning etc. There can’t really be any logic as to spending multi millions of dollars on those security procedures whilst having a very soft border in the south. That is until recently. You either have borders and security or you don’t. It wouldn’t bother me if they took all security away from airports, but it might bother others.
Hhyf, as expected you arrive putting labels on people. Par for the course. What you can’t seem to understand is that the vast majority of people trafficked end up in slavery for years , if not forever, due to the debt incurred to the traffickers and smugglers. Some better life . The help agencies have seen a massive rise in illegals seeking help over the last few years.They have informed the Home Office for several years. Obviously it can take years to pass a bill of sorts, unless it’s an amendment.
I’m not saying they’re doing any harm here Tikay. I’m saying if there was a proper process,it might save their skin. It should put a stop to the trafficking. For the ones that avoid processing,deport them.
The issue here is , there is a proper process.
For a proper process to be to be successful there will be fringes around the edges that wont meet the "proper" criteria so they sadly resort to improper means.
There is no solution that fits all. There is no Utopia.
I’m not saying they’re doing any harm here Tikay. I’m saying if there was a proper process,it might save their skin. It should put a stop to the trafficking. For the ones that avoid processing,deport them.
The issue here is , there is a proper process.
For a proper process to be to be successful there will be fringes around the edges that wont meet the "proper" criteria so they sadly resort to improper means.
There is no solution that fits all. There is no Utopia.
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They arent allowed to work.
It can take up to 20 years to decide their case.
EU citizens with the right to work aren't asylum seekers.
The illegals have probably turned up with a visa, or on holiday and haven't left.
They have wised up.
We aren't as clever as we think we are.
We wont deport them without seeing their passport.
So even when we catch them, they just say they haven't got a passport, refuse to give their address, and we just let them go.
In the USA they are a bit cleverer as they don't allow people in without taking their photo, and fingerprints.
So they can identify many of the illegals they catch.
People travel thousands of miles in awful conditions just to try and experience something that we mostly take for granted yet ultimately had no control over whatsoever.
One right wing person in here wants to tag people ffs
I don't see why people trying to make better lives for themselves and their families is so often frowned upon by little Englanders.
There can’t really be any logic as to spending multi millions of dollars on those security procedures whilst having a very soft border in the south.
That is until recently.
You either have borders and security or you don’t.
It wouldn’t bother me if they took all security away from airports, but it might bother others.
What you can’t seem to understand is that the vast majority of people trafficked end up in slavery for years , if not forever, due to the debt incurred to the traffickers and smugglers.
Some better life .
The help agencies have seen a massive rise in illegals seeking help over the last few years.They have informed the Home Office for several years.
Obviously it can take years to pass a bill of sorts, unless it’s an amendment.
For a proper process to be to be successful there will be fringes around the edges that wont meet the "proper" criteria so they sadly resort to improper means.
There is no solution that fits all. There is no Utopia.