serious advice

webby234

when reading the thread that DTW started it got me thinking about my cash game and mtt game, now everyone knows i just love my sit and go's, but i decided to take my cash game and mtt game to the next level, so played a few cash games on the 2/4 p levels and was both profitable sessions but if i am honest i dont think cash is the best way forward for me, so today decided to enter for the £3.30 £50 GTD, 36 entries so prize money of around £108, just finished the tournament and to be honest i have hacked to the win, suffered one bad beat when my AQ got cracked by A8 when we were 3 handed but all in all i thought it was pretty easy, so decided to check my stats on sharkscope and am very surprised that they look ok (i think) i am now totally thinking about leaving the stt's behind and may just concentrate on mtt's. are these stats good enough for me to cope in the mtt's? you can see that i am not a big spender and cant afford to play the big tournaments on sky so will only be playing the low levels around the £5 and £10 mark. shall i gibve this a serious shot or stick to what i am good at on the DYM?

Username	Games Played	Av. Profit	Av. Stake	Av. ROI	Total Profit	Form	Ability /100	Network	Filter
webby234	540	$2	$2	14%	$1,260	-	70	Sky Poker	Sch. Only	x

dav1964

MTTS are the hardest part of poker by a country mile.The variance in these tournys is huge to say the least especially if it has runners of several hundred.I know you are not a fan of me but i play cash to finance my tournament play and it works for me.All the best and a nice win mate.dav

DOHHHHHHH

i think at least 3 of the main events are a tenner to play webby......

My attitude is if you are a good player, no matter what discipline, u will be a good player at them all (HU being the exception as its a specialist game)

I wouldn't give up on cash - u shudnt be playing nl4 either ur better than that - get on nl20/30 and play some proper stuff.

gl, DOHH

webby234

thanks dav, maybe i should play DYM to finance my mtt play?

dav1964

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thanks dav, maybe i should play DYM to finance my mtt play?
Posted by webby234

YES for defo cause you know you are very good at these also as dohhhhhhh says do noy give up on cash.dav

webby234

In Response to Re: serious advice:

i think at least 3 of the main events are a tenner to play webby...... My attitude is if you are a good player, no matter what discipline, u will be a good player at them all (HU being the exception as its a specialist game) I wouldn't give up on cash - u shudnt be playing nl4 either ur better than that - get on nl20/30 and play some proper stuff. gl, DOHH
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

i was referring to the primo and the 4k deepstack that i cant afford to play regularly dohh but would love the chance. a couple of years ago on skypoker i played on the £1.50/£3 tables, never again though, knowing you could lose £500 in one hand was a bit too crazy for me, the crazy thing was at the time i was a bit superstitious and felt invincible at night time but shocking through the day, 3 days on the trot i lost £250 through the day but won £500 through the night lol, i had no cares in the world then so was crazy, now have a family so playing cash just isnt the right game for me at this moment. am gonna take a break from the stt's and concentrate on my mtt's, hopefully it will pay off, change is good?

dav1964

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In Response to Re: serious advice : i was referring to the primo and the 4k deepstack that i cant afford to play regularly dohh but would love the chance. a couple of years ago on skypoker i played on the £1.50/£3 tables, never again though, knowing you could lose £500 in one hand was a bit too crazy for me, the crazy thing was at the time i was a bit superstitious and felt invincible at night time but shocking through the day, 3 days on the trot i lost £250 through the day but won £500 through the night lol, i had no cares in the world then so was crazy, now have a family so playing cash just isnt the right game for me at this moment. am gonna take a break from the stt's and concentrate on my mtt's, hopefully it will pay off, change is good?
Posted by webby234

Can see where ure coming from with nasty losses like that and totally respect you have a family to look after (got 4 myself 3yrs,5yrs,15 yrs and my eldest 22yrs old).I still feel though bankroll permitting you are defo at the level of at least 15/30.dav

dantb10

U obviously know what you are doing webby, as dohhhhhhh says, you could easily play NL20 or NL30.

As you are a successful dym player i would say play those to make money, and use them to finance the mtt's.

It is very tough to solely earn a decent amount from mtt's as someone mentioned above due to variance, but when you do have a nice win like the one u mention above its a huge boost to your bankroll.

So if your dyms gives you guaranteed profit, you can use this to fund your mtt's without your bankroll dwindilling and adding pressure on you to get that big result if this was your only poker income.

stokefc

i think the key here webby is the variance,you proberly well capable of playing mtts but you can go 10,20 even 30 mtts without having a sniff of the cash,then you can cash in say 3 or 4 outta ten and everything looks rosy.what i do is play cash,get so your not a losing player(which you will)build your BR up so when the variance kicks in on your mtts it don,t affect you or your mindset then when you hit a hot streak it will start to show in your BR.thats my view anyway m8 gl in your play

EDIT:dammit dan got there before me

DOHHHHHHH

yes....im not talking 300 quid webby! haha! I bet if u played 2 tables at nl20 even if u got kk v aa first hand on one of them and bust, ud still break even. Cash is really slow and steady, and with ur DYM background, I cant see you making too many mistakes. 

I play wellllll below my broll in cash, because its easier to make money. Why make it hard for yourself? - go where the money is at.....

The double stack on Weds, the open on Tuesday and the BH on Mon re all £10 to enter I think...and maybe even the open on sat? Im not sure....The doublestak on fri is £16....so just play a £5 dym half hour before it starts then that pays for itself too. 

Neway gl with it, cya on NL20 tomorrow afternoon

DOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

FlashFlush

If you want a big win from a small amount then MTT's are the only way to go. If you play tight most MTTs on here are pretty easy to cash and win as long as your running good. You need to play for the win though, like i said to some1 on the strategy section if you win a tournament its around 20 buyins worth of prize, so winning an MTT will pay for your next 20 tournaments rather than limping into the cash and getting your buyin back or paying for 1 more tournament

webby234

thanks for all the advice and comments guys, i know that mtt wins are gonna be few and far between but hopefully some cashes along the way and i can be successful at it, am thinking of playing the 8 o clock tournie tonight, gonna check the entry fee and hopefully i can enter and do ok. in the mean time may try the cash level dohhhh suggested

loonytoons

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thanks for all the advice and comments guys, i know that mtt wins are gonna be few and far between but hopefully some cashes along the way and i can be successful at it, am thinking of playing the 8 o clock tournie tonight, gonna check the entry fee and hopefully i can enter and do ok. in the mean time may try the cash level dohhhh suggested
Posted by webby234

lol its £22 2nite m8, give it a miss til its £11.

webby234

lol £22 buy in for the 12k bounty hunter, am seriously thinking about entering this because i generally take a couple of heads and get at least my money back!!

lets go for it i am in, innit!!!!

webby234

well 53 minutes in andf crashed out, was upto 3k early on but lost a big pot with the horrible AK, have emailed the show so hopefully they can show, its still doing my nut in now

BlackFish3

post the hand on here... i was trying to rail you but my internet was being c rappy and then you had busted out

webby234

karlluke	Small blind		15.00	15.00	2682.50
charlsef	Big blind		30.00	45.00	1815.00
	Your hole cards	A K
HAYSIE	Raise		90.00	135.00	2635.00
zomg	Call		90.00	225.00	1380.00
AIRWAVE	Fold
webby234	Raise		360.00	585.00	2520.00
karlluke	Fold
charlsef	Fold
HAYSIE	Fold
zomg	Call		270.00	855.00	1110.00
Flop
		10 7 4
zomg	Check
webby234	Bet		480.00	1335.00	2040.00
zomg	All-in		1110.00	2445.00	0.00
webby234	Fold
zomg	Muck
zomg	Win		2445.00		2445.00

stokefc

ida called that, pot commited imo,poss 6 outs b/d st8 in a b/h anyway

webby234

i was so close to calling but think he had a small set, decided to keep the 600 and put it to good use, that backfired lol

pod1

like you say webby, its feel and you felt you were beat. had to fold. bigish pair i reckon

BlackFish3

webby you c bet 56% of the pot... that looks very weak imo on that sort of flop... although you are probably beat, you did open yourself up to the check raise bluff by advertising your weakness. I don't know how you could contemplate calling with just 2 overs though... you have 44.5BBs left!!!