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Most profound political comment ever?

Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,119

There was an interesting documentary about Mrs Thatcher & her rise to power on TV last night.

It was so-so, but enlivened by one particular comment by Bernard Ingham, her Press Secretary for many years, & a true, gruff, blunt Yorkshireman.

He said her greatest quality was that she did not want to be loved, & then followed it with....

God save us from Prime Ministers who want to be loved


And if you think back over recent PM's, & of course Mr Johnson, they were almost all guilty of that, making decisions that tried to appease rather than doing what was needed.

If we can rise above the cheap shots - well she succeeded in not being loved - it's such a terrific comment.

It matters not whether we loved or loathed Mrs Thatcher, but it would be just great if we could find a politician who cared more about doing the right thing than being loved. And it matters not whether they are Labour, Tory, or anything else.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,119

    The recent Marcus Rashford campaign for free school meals was a great example.

    Marcus was almost certainly right of course, but why do you think the Government yielded to the pressure?

    Was it because they agreed with him, or was it because he's a popular public figure & it looked good to take his view on board? I know where my money sits.

    They could have done it without his prompting, but they chose not to. They did it because they wanted the electorate to think they are good people. They did it because they want to be loved.

    Right decision, wrong reason.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
    Tikay10 said:


    The recent Marcus Rashford campaign for free school meals was a great example.

    Marcus was almost certainly right of course, but why do you think the Government yielded to the pressure?

    Was it because they agreed with him, or was it because he's a popular public figure & it looked good to take his view on board? I know where my money sits.

    They could have done it without his prompting, but they chose not to. They did it because they wanted the electorate to think they are good people. They did it because they want to be loved.

    Right decision, wrong reason.

    I think that most people would agree that in this instance Boris was clearly going to be forced into making a U-turn.

    Attempting to defend the indefensible just loses them all credibility.

    Boris then claimed that he had not heard of the Marcus Rashford campaign until the day that he actually made the U-turn.

    What planet is he living on?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
    Theresa May came unstuck through trying to appease both sides of the Brexit argument.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,119
    HAYSIE said:

    Theresa May came unstuck through trying to appease both sides of the Brexit argument.

    Ditto David Cameron who thought he would be seen as a hero if he gave us a Brexit referendum. That sure worked out well.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Theresa May came unstuck through trying to appease both sides of the Brexit argument.

    Ditto David Cameron who thought he would be seen as a hero if he gave us a Brexit referendum. That sure worked out well.
    Apparently the David Cameron story goes like this.

    He agreed to the referendum when in coalition with the Lib Dems.

    He did so in the certain knowledge that the Lib Dems would not agree to it, and that would be his excuse for not having one.

    This excuse evaporated in 2015, when the Tories won an overall majority, and therefore didn't have to rely on the Lib Dems to form a Government.

    He was therefore forced to go through with it.

    Although he did try to get out of it be renegotiating with the EU.

    It only came up in the first place as a means of shutting up the Eurosceptics in the Tory Party.
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    Tikay10 said:


    There was an interesting documentary about Mrs Thatcher & her rise to power on TV last night.

    It was so-so, but enlivened by one particular comment by Bernard Ingham, her Press Secretary for many years, & a true, gruff, blunt Yorkshireman.

    He said her greatest quality was that she did not want to be loved, & then followed it with....

    God save us from Prime Ministers who want to be loved


    And if you think back over recent PM's, & of course Mr Johnson, they were almost all guilty of that, making decisions that tried to appease rather than doing what was needed.

    If we can rise above the cheap shots - well she succeeded in not being loved - it's such a terrific comment.

    It matters not whether we loved or loathed Mrs Thatcher, but it would be just great if we could find a politician who cared more about doing the right thing than being loved. And it matters not whether they are Labour, Tory, or anything else.
    I resemble that remark.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,119

    Tikay10 said:


    There was an interesting documentary about Mrs Thatcher & her rise to power on TV last night.

    It was so-so, but enlivened by one particular comment by Bernard Ingham, her Press Secretary for many years, & a true, gruff, blunt Yorkshireman.

    He said her greatest quality was that she did not want to be loved, & then followed it with....

    God save us from Prime Ministers who want to be loved


    And if you think back over recent PM's, & of course Mr Johnson, they were almost all guilty of that, making decisions that tried to appease rather than doing what was needed.

    If we can rise above the cheap shots - well she succeeded in not being loved - it's such a terrific comment.

    It matters not whether we loved or loathed Mrs Thatcher, but it would be just great if we could find a politician who cared more about doing the right thing than being loved. And it matters not whether they are Labour, Tory, or anything else.
    I resemble that remark.

    You do actually resemble him, though you've got some catching up to do on the eyebrow front.




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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
    Tikay10 said:


    There was an interesting documentary about Mrs Thatcher & her rise to power on TV last night.

    It was so-so, but enlivened by one particular comment by Bernard Ingham, her Press Secretary for many years, & a true, gruff, blunt Yorkshireman.

    He said her greatest quality was that she did not want to be loved, & then followed it with....

    God save us from Prime Ministers who want to be loved


    And if you think back over recent PM's, & of course Mr Johnson, they were almost all guilty of that, making decisions that tried to appease rather than doing what was needed.

    If we can rise above the cheap shots - well she succeeded in not being loved - it's such a terrific comment.

    It matters not whether we loved or loathed Mrs Thatcher, but it would be just great if we could find a politician who cared more about doing the right thing than being loved. And it matters not whether they are Labour, Tory, or anything else.


    10 Reasons why Margaret Thatcher is Britain's most hated politician


    Margaret Thatcher, Prime Minister from 1979 to 1990, is one of the most divisive figures in British Political history.


    Ever wondered why she is so hated by some and loved by others?


    Unquestionably strong and successful in her political career, she has garnered love and hate in near equal measure, though some say she merely highlighted the divisions already present in society at the time.
    Thatcher – Why is she hated?
    I can’t hope to cover all of the reasons people hate Thatcher. I couldn't even hope to cover all the reasons why people don't hate her, and there are seemingly considerably fewer of those!
    What I can do though is highlight some of the main reasons why Thatcher was hated, so below I've selected the ten main reasons most often cited. These 10 reasons go a long way to explaining the strength of feeling her legacy has left.


    She supported the retention of Capital Punishment
    She destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry and her policies led to mass unemployment
    She presided over interest rates of 15%
    She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
    She abolished free milk for School Children
    She precipitated a Social Housing crisis still being felt today
    The Poll Tax
    She sowed the seeds of NHS Privatisation
    Section 28 – Thatchers quiet homophobia?
    The Irish Hunger Strikes


    https://www.josharcher.uk/blog/why-margaret-thatcher-is-hated/
  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,587
    This is the problem with democracy. If the people in charge were good enough to make the best decision every time and not cave in to public demand then that would not be a democracy.

    Countries like Sweden do it better because they have better people/culture. We are horribly deluded and misinformed by propaganda in the uk e.g. if i scroll through my facebook feed every other post is a meme or some sjw posting something that is short on all the facts and often just plain incorrect and extraordinarily narrow minded.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,119

    This is the problem with democracy. If the people in charge were good enough to make the best decision every time and not cave in to public demand then that would not be a democracy.

    Countries like Sweden do it better because they have better people/culture. We are horribly deluded and misinformed by propaganda in the uk e.g. if i scroll through my facebook feed every other post is a meme or some sjw posting something that is short on all the facts and often just plain incorrect and extraordinarily narrow minded.


    Had to look up "sjw".

    Social Justice Warrior. Ha, there are plenty of those.
  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,587
    Tikay10 said:

    This is the problem with democracy. If the people in charge were good enough to make the best decision every time and not cave in to public demand then that would not be a democracy.

    Countries like Sweden do it better because they have better people/culture. We are horribly deluded and misinformed by propaganda in the uk e.g. if i scroll through my facebook feed every other post is a meme or some sjw posting something that is short on all the facts and often just plain incorrect and extraordinarily narrow minded.


    Had to look up "sjw".

    Social Justice Warrior. Ha, there are plenty of those.
    That there are but I don't care about any of them, personally. Honestly, I don't even care if they're fighting for something good. I've found that trying to figure out real facts, and what's right and wrong, on any given situation, is serious hard work and I usually just end up sitting on the fence so I don't care about any of it.

    Last night I was reading about Jamestown and the first British colonies and Bermuda etc. Now, that **** is insane. All these people nowadays arguing about nothing. Holy ****, imagine being sent off to start a colony.


  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,461
    Could be worse....imagine being sent to Robin Barry Island and finding that @HAYSIE was the only jailer to talk to? :#
  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,587
    I would go to Barry Island with Haysie. I miss it that much.
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    edited June 2020
    Tikay10 said:


    The recent Marcus Rashford campaign for free school meals was a great example.

    Marcus was almost certainly right of course, but why do you think the Government yielded to the pressure?

    Was it because they agreed with him, or was it because he's a popular public figure & it looked good to take his view on board? I know where my money sits.

    They could have done it without his prompting, but they chose not to. They did it because they wanted the electorate to think they are good people. They did it because they want to be loved.

    Right decision, wrong reason.

    I do like that comment describing Margaret Thatcher, she is generally hated in my area however she did show she was not wishing to be loved. You can at the very least respect her for that and she made a very tough decision that split Britain.

    Was it the right thing? Who knows, was not impacted as it was before my time. That's for others to decide.

    On the Marcus Rashford thing. My cynical side says the Government needed to give the public, in particular Mums and Dads some good news given the restrictions and frustration out there.

    Sure it was Haysie who posted about it saying something like the Government would have likely done it anyway. It could maybe have been pushed to the front of the queue so to speak. We likely will never know one way or another.

    They wanted to be :love:d

    :)

    Cammy

  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    edited June 2020
    Tikay10 said:

    This is the problem with democracy. If the people in charge were good enough to make the best decision every time and not cave in to public demand then that would not be a democracy.

    Countries like Sweden do it better because they have better people/culture. We are horribly deluded and misinformed by propaganda in the uk e.g. if i scroll through my facebook feed every other post is a meme or some sjw posting something that is short on all the facts and often just plain incorrect and extraordinarily narrow minded.


    Had to look up "sjw".

    Social Justice Warrior. Ha, there are plenty of those.
    This has a bit of potential to go down like a led balloon and may get shot for this. :lol:

    This is about extreme feminists. Not the majority, say the top 1% of extreme feminists to be safe ;)




  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,713
    I love extreme feminists.

    Even more so when theyre vegan.

    More laughs than a mock the week box set.
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    edited June 2020

    I love extreme feminists.

    Even more so when theyre vegan.

    More laughs than a mock the week box set.

    Used to work with a vegan. Fit, healthy on the outside.

    Very unfit in mind and spirit and a bit of a :grimace:

    1. As the saying/joke goes. 'How do you know if someone is vegan or not?' 'Don't worry they will be quick to tell you'.





    2. For balance they will hear this a lot




    Back to point 1, if they did not tell you they might not hear the points in picture 2 :)

    Cammy
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    edited June 2020
    madprof said:

    Could be worse....imagine being sent to Robin Barry Island and finding that @HAYSIE was the only jailer to talk to? :#

    Am I the only guy on the forum that would be happy to listen to Haysie IRL........



    .......... for 5 mins :lol:

    Sorry Haysie :neutral::)
  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,154
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  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62 Member Posts: 3,221
    Cammykaze said:

    Tikay10 said:

    This is the problem with democracy. If the people in charge were good enough to make the best decision every time and not cave in to public demand then that would not be a democracy.

    Countries like Sweden do it better because they have better people/culture. We are horribly deluded and misinformed by propaganda in the uk e.g. if i scroll through my facebook feed every other post is a meme or some sjw posting something that is short on all the facts and often just plain incorrect and extraordinarily narrow minded.


    Had to look up "sjw".

    Social Justice Warrior. Ha, there are plenty of those.
    This has a bit of potential to go down like a led balloon and may get shot for this. :lol:

    This is about extreme feminists. Not the majority, say the top 1% of extreme feminists to be safe ;)




    tip for the next time you're going to denigrate a portion of the populace make the text in white so its easier to read........
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