@rspca12 doesn't limping on the button with a <20bb stack and hands like JTs, KTs have its merits? You would have to r/f these hands, but you can l/c a 3.5/4x and see a flop in position, and thats if they even raise in the blinds. Balance it with traps?
@rspca12 doesn't limping on the button with a <20bb stack and hands like JTs, KTs have its merits? You would have to r/f these hands, but you can l/c a 3.5/4x and see a flop in position, and thats if they even raise in the blinds. Balance it with traps?</p>
As you get more experienced (and with some study) you can make plays like this but as a general rule don't limp is best.
Hi @waller02 this could be gd spot to limp. but imo on sky its not best. people on sky under 3 bet. And the players that do i feel i open rip j10s k10s and low pocket pairs is best rather them limp call raise.
I tried to sort limp range in games i play on sky and after decent sample imo its not best way to go. Its v complicated and only a few regs on site has gd limp ranges.
Hi @waller02 this could be gd spot to limp. but imo on sky its not best. people on sky under 3 bet. And the players that do i feel i open rip j10s k10s and low pocket pairs is best rather them limp call raise.
If u have certain hand because i can think of few spots in mtts. limp could be best if i am unsure i will get someone to look at it. I could be defo be wrong about this. if i new everything i would be playing 10k buy ins not 50 b/h
Hi @waller02 this could be gd spot to limp. but imo on sky its not best. people on sky under 3 bet. And the players that do i feel i open rip j10s k10s and low pocket pairs is best rather them limp call raise.
It's my understanding that there are plenty of spots (usually dictated by ICM) where it is far superior to open-limp rather than open-raise or open-shove. Open ripping some suited broadways for 15-20bb even on the button can be absolutely torching money in some final table spots depending on stack distributions around the table.
I can't remember exactly who the video was posted by (I think it was the NLG guys, Sontheimmer et al) but one example springs to mind where a guy open ripped QTs on the button for about 16bb I think and he got absolutely flamed because he chose the nut worst option for the spot - limp > raise-fold > shove.
It's my understanding that there are plenty of spots (usually dictated by ICM) where it is far superior to open-limp rather than open-raise or open-shove. Open ripping some suited broadways for 15-20bb even on the button can be absolutely torching money in some final table spots depending on stack distributions around the table.
I can't remember exactly who the video was posted by (I think it was the NLG guys, Sontheimmer et al) but one example springs to mind where a guy open ripped QTs on the button for about 16bb I think and he got absolutely flamed because he chose the nut worst option for the spot - limp > raise-fold > shove.
bingo.
Give this man what he deserves.
seen pleno limp 30bb effective not on the button before too
It's my understanding that there are plenty of spots (usually dictated by ICM) where it is far superior to open-limp rather than open-raise or open-shove. Open ripping some suited broadways for 15-20bb even on the button can be absolutely torching money in some final table spots depending on stack distributions around the table.
I can't remember exactly who the video was posted by (I think it was the NLG guys, Sontheimmer et al) but one example springs to mind where a guy open ripped QTs on the button for about 16bb I think and he got absolutely flamed because he chose the nut worst option for the spot - limp > raise-fold > shove.
yeah wp man in icm spot limp is best option all u have to do is find a hand and the free coaching sesh is yours. If u wont it.,
i done the my game pilot for party a few year ago now and was giving the advice that 17bb or less from the button is fold or shove same as the blinds and these lads know what they are talking about i am not saying that it is 100 percent money making but the pros from party went mad at me for not shoving them spots
As @chicknMelt says there will be ICM scenarios with deeper effective stacks (30bb) where open-limping will be best. Solvers have also shown that developing and employing open-limping strategies in non ICM situations once we get to stacks around 25bb is optimal (and not just from button) but limping with deeper effective stacks than that in non ICM situations is still going to be 'bad' or sub-optimal.
Just knocked this one up pretty quickly but could manipulate the stacks myriad ways to get to the same conclusion.
In the spirit of giving back to the community and helping others I would like to nominate @misterpj for the free coaching session please.
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It helps me hugely, and hopefully helps the Community too, and I think it shows the benefit of coaching/help for those of us that need it
Loved @HAYSIE's comment too......
'Landed a massive bet, and ripped the ticket up!'
It's my understanding that there are plenty of spots (usually dictated by ICM) where it is far superior to open-limp rather than open-raise or open-shove. Open ripping some suited broadways for 15-20bb even on the button can be absolutely torching money in some final table spots depending on stack distributions around the table.
I can't remember exactly who the video was posted by (I think it was the NLG guys, Sontheimmer et al) but one example springs to mind where a guy open ripped QTs on the button for about 16bb I think and he got absolutely flamed because he chose the nut worst option for the spot - limp > raise-fold > shove.
Give this man what he deserves.
seen pleno limp 30bb effective not on the button before too
pretty sure he knows what he is doing.
Just knocked this one up pretty quickly but could manipulate the stacks myriad ways to get to the same conclusion.
In the spirit of giving back to the community and helping others I would like to nominate @misterpj for the free coaching session please.