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Dodgy?
Darntootin
Member Posts: 1,521
DYM - Is this an acceptable fold or basically chip dumping?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Whizzewky | Small blind | 300.00 | 300.00 | 525.00 | |
| bugalus1 | Big blind | 600.00 | 900.00 | 6577.50 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| eon1961 | Fold | ||||
| Darntootin | Fold | ||||
| Whizzewky | All-in | 525.00 | 1425.00 | 0.00 | |
| bugalus1 | Fold | ||||
| Whizzewky | Muck | ||||
| Whizzewky | Win | 1200.00 | 1200.00 | ||
| Whizzewky | Return | 225.00 | 0.00 | 1425.00 |
Comments
@Whizzewky has played nearly 200k games on Sky
The chances of him suddenly beginning to collude with someone are around 0 in a Million
Any number of reasons why bugalus1 may have folded.
If you’re going to put names of players in a thread that you title “Dodgy?” then I think you should be gathering much more evidence first
Yup, Buggy has probably shut down & just wants to sit out until he cashes. There's an argument to suggest it's a very disciplined fold in a DYM.
PS - Agree, Whizzy is as straight as a die.
If players are colluding you will notice multiple strange plays between them. It's quite easy to spot in DYM games, and is also very rare on Sky. In the few instances I've seen it, Sky have always dealt with it pretty promptly.
I think that posting this on the forum with players names visible is wrong. As is challenging players in the chat box, which I see quite often. If you are suspicious, just report it to CC and let them have a look.
I agree with the others that you are barking up the wrong tree with @Whizzewky , one of the good guys.
"Any number of reasons why bugalus1 may have folded."
"...why would bugalus put any more chips in, he's 99.9% to cash with his stack as it is."
"Buggy has probably shut down & just wants to sit out until he cashes. There's an argument to suggest it's a very disciplined fold in a DYM."
So from the answers quoted above it seems that I am to conclude that it is acceptable for a player with more than half the chips in play to fold their big blind of 600 chips for an additional 225?
lol
If someone does that sort of thing repeatedly, then yes, but never a one-off, there are too many possibly innocent reasons.
It's so easy to be on auto-pilot when 5 or 6 tabling & make a silly mistake because you have put that table "at the back" as it's virtually a lock.
And many of us know Whizzy going back 10 or 12 years here, he has a rock solid reputation. I don't know bugulas well, though I know he's been here a long time & has a clean rep.
So I don't think any conclusions should be drawn from what I agree looks a very odd play on the face of it.
Let me say again that this is not about Whizz. As you know the PLO8 player pool on the site is small. Tiny. Miniscule. I have played hundreds of games with both Whizz and Buggerlugs. There is no inference of collusion between the two players but that in itself does not exclude the possibility of chip dumping for other reasons. It's also true that it may be a completely innocent error. But the fact remains that it stinks and is very disappointing. Still, worse things happen at sea and we move on.
The opening post said basically chip dumping which isn't a good accusation to be throwing around.
"There is no inference of collusion between the two players but that in itself does not exclude the possibility of chip dumping for other reasons"
In a DYM chip dumping is no different to collusion.
As one who has been on the receiving end of posts like this, trust me, it's not nice.
But yes, let's leave it at that & move on.
It takes two or more players to be involved in collusion. Chip dumping can be performed by one player without the consent of another.
Maybe bugalus was concentrating on other tables as he had this one sewn up.
Maybe he timed out because he was making a cup of tea.
Maybe he miss clicked.
Maybe his cat jumped on the keyboard and acted for him.
Maybe he miss read the bet size.
Maybe he didn't want to risk giving another 225 chips to a good player.
Maybe he folded 2222
Interesting technical point about chip dumping as you're accusing a guy of chip dumping who didn't put a single voluntary chip in the pot.
Yes, I take your point that the thread is about Buggy, not Whizz.
Buggy has played over 6,000 SNG's here, mostly PLO8 I would think, in what you rightly say is a very small player base. If he was up to no good I'm sure it would have been spotted by many of us a long time ago.
In my view, it's almost certainly a case of a misclick fold due to not concentrating, multi tabling or whatever. Deliberately folding in such a very obvious spot as this is surely not something anyone would try to do as it's so obvious.
To my mind it's 100/1 that anything iffy was going off.
PS - The 1.45 Sedgefield this afternoon was won by a 100/1 shot.
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lol
Maybe? Is it a fold in the circumstances though? Maybe?
I haven't accused anybody of anything. I've merely asked a question.
For what it's worth I have certainly seen stranger folds, there are definitely players who, if they have a big stack and are virtually certain to cash, will fold everything. These are probably players who are multi tabling and will assume that they can ignore that table and not play a hand. They are probably right in most cases but it does lead to folds when only a few more chips are involved, like this case.