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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    Essexphil said:

    You are always quick to report on any perceived problems caused by Brexit.

    Cheltenham isnt one of them.

    Like pretty much everything in this world, there are upsides as well as downsides to change.

    Upsides of Brexit?

    The EU has a tendency to act like it runs the world. Take its latest pronouncements on refusing to allow exports of vaccine from EU countries.

    You are completely ignoring the fact that AZ have further reduced EU deliveries to a mere 30% of the quantity that they contracted to deliver.
    Whilst supplies to the UK seem uninterrupted.
    Can you possibly believe that this has occurred without any intervention from the UK government?


    This is not the EU's call to make. Astrazeneca or Pfizer make the stuff, and it is for them to decide where it goes.

    I am certain that they would have been happy had AZ fulfilled their contract.
    The UK government has also made threats.


    Not some unelected tinpot dictator.

    A bit like our unelected Brexit mastermind?


    It is bad enough when our elected leaders do stuff that benefits them. But worse when some unelected leader of a largely imaginary superstate starts playing nationalistic politics. While going against their own independent medical advice (the EMA).

    I havent got time to list the shortcomings of our PM.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    edited March 2021
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    You are always quick to report on any perceived problems caused by Brexit.

    Cheltenham isnt one of them.

    Like pretty much everything in this world, there are upsides as well as downsides to change.

    Upsides of Brexit?

    The EU has a tendency to act like it runs the world. Take its latest pronouncements on refusing to allow exports of vaccine from EU countries.

    You are completely ignoring the fact that AZ have further reduced EU deliveries to a mere 30% of the quantity that they contracted to deliver.
    Whilst supplies to the UK seem uninterrupted.
    Can you possibly believe that this has occurred without any intervention from the UK government?


    This is not the EU's call to make. Astrazeneca or Pfizer make the stuff, and it is for them to decide where it goes.

    I am certain that they would have been happy had AZ fulfilled their contract.
    The UK government has also made threats.


    Not some unelected tinpot dictator.

    A bit like our unelected Brexit mastermind?


    It is bad enough when our elected leaders do stuff that benefits them. But worse when some unelected leader of a largely imaginary superstate starts playing nationalistic politics. While going against their own independent medical advice (the EMA).

    I havent got time to list the shortcomings of our PM.

    Vaccine supplier Pfizer has said its deliveries to the UK for the first three months of the year "remain on track".

    And AstraZeneca has said its UK domestic supply chain "is not experiencing any disruption and there is no impact on our delivery schedule".

    Asked about reports that delays to the delivery of five million Oxford-AstraZeneca doses from India are behind the expected reduction in supply, Mr Jenrick said he would not comment on "the specific contracts we have with different manufacturers".


    The Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs are currently the only two vaccines being used in the UK.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/international-supply-issues-to-blame-for-reduced-uk-vaccine-numbers-minister-suggests/ar-BB1eIbk0?ocid=msedgntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    EU doctor in staggering attack on UK - accuses Brits of 'gold-plated vaccine nationalism'



    Mike Galsworthy claimed the UK has been guilty of "vaccine nationalism" over its failure to export its vaccine supplies despite producing the jab. He insisted the European Union was right to put pressure on the British Government to share its jab stock with other countries. Speaking to ITV's Good Morning Britain, Dr Galsworthy said: "The UK, at the moment, is fairly guilty of gold-plated vaccine nationalism.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/eu-doctor-in-staggering-attack-on-uk-accuses-brits-of-gold-plated-vaccine-nationalism/ar-BB1eIcgv?ocid=msedgntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    Brexit news – live: Boris Johnson urged to ditch ‘draconian’ policing bill as Biden backs NI protocol


    In Brexit news, Joe Biden declared his support for the Northern Ireland protocol in a meeting with Stormont’s leaders on Thursday.

    Northern Ireland’s first minister Arlene Foster and her deputy Michelle O’Neill held a virtual meeting with the vice-president Kamala Harris and Mr Biden to discuss the situation in the province.

    A statement released by Ms Harris’ office confirmed the US president and vice president’s “strong support” for the Good Friday Agreement and the protocol.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-news-live-biden-backs-ni-protocol-as-lawyers-urge-boris-johnson-to-ditch-draconian-policing-bill/ar-BB1eIe4p?ocid=msedgntp
  • tai-gartai-gar Member Posts: 2,688
    Boris is working on a new Irish protocol - how to put the white part of Guinness at the bottom of the glass instead of the top.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    Essexphil said:

    You are always quick to report on any perceived problems caused by Brexit.

    Like pretty much everything in this world, there are upsides as well as downsides to change.

    The EU has a tendency to act like it runs the world. Take its latest pronouncements on refusing to allow exports of vaccine from EU countries.

    This is not the EU's call to make. Astrazeneca or Pfizer make the stuff, and it is for them to decide where it goes.

    Not some unelected tinpot dictator.

    It is bad enough when our elected leaders do stuff that benefits them. But worse when some unelected leader of a largely imaginary superstate starts playing nationalistic politics. While going against their own independent medical advice (the EMA).


  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    tai-gar said:

    Boris is working on a new Irish protocol - how to put the white part of Guinness at the bottom of the glass instead of the top.

    Unlikely to succeed with that either.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    edited March 2021
    Essexphil said:

    You are always quick to report on any perceived problems caused by Brexit.

    Like pretty much everything in this world, there are upsides as well as downsides to change.

    The EU has a tendency to act like it runs the world. Take its latest pronouncements on refusing to allow exports of vaccine from EU countries.

    This is not the EU's call to make. Astrazeneca or Pfizer make the stuff, and it is for them to decide where it goes.

    Not some unelected tinpot dictator.

    It is bad enough when our elected leaders do stuff that benefits them. But worse when some unelected leader of a largely imaginary superstate starts playing nationalistic politics. While going against their own independent medical advice (the EMA).

    India prioritises 'its own needs': Delhi accused of causing one-month UK vaccine delay by stopping export of 5m AstraZeneca doses - but manufacturer claims they were NEVER due to arrive yet as ministers insist it won't delay end of lockdown
    Serum Institute of India has been told it must supply its own citizens before exporting vaccines
    One batch of five million doses of the AstraZeneca jab bound for the UK has been delayed by a month
    Ministers insist the UK is 'still on track' to hit April and July targets, and people due a second dose will get one
    But hiccup means plans to expand jabs to under-50s have been put on ice until May at the earliest


    https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2021/03/18/8898387162005851480/964x580_MP4_8898387162005851480.mp4



    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9375499/Coronavirus-UK-Vaccine-hold-caused-AstraZeneca-delivery-delay-Indian-factory.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Nice to see that the bottom half of the internet contains clueless Remoaners, as well as Brexiteers.

    What Covid has done is made it impossible to sort out what is due to Brexit, and what is not. That Observer article is just as biased, and lacking in real evidence, as the Government's position that everything is perfect.

    I think it is fair to say that Brexit has had some of the impact on exports/imports, but not the whole amount. In the short-medium term Covid is more important than being in or out of the EU.

    Leaving a large trade bloc is bound to reduce imports/exports to at least some extent. But that is not necessarily a bad thing. Consuming more of what we produce is not of itself bad.

    And probably better for the planet. Much like not moaning about not being able to ship shellfish abroad for slaughter.

    No doubt we will soon move on to British car assembly. While conveniently ignoring 2 important facts:-

    1. UK car manufacture (as opposed to assembly) died a death while we were in the EU;
    2. The decision to be the only country in the world to ban traditional cars by 2030 will have a bigger impact on car assembly here than Brexit

    Do you think that Brexit is to blame for the Cheltenham results?
    No. But at least it spared us from having to obey Ursula von der Leyen. The only person who makes Boris look like a measured statesman.
    Ireland have 11 winners, and England 3.
    The Irish got 6 out of 7 today.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    Essexphil said:

    You are always quick to report on any perceived problems caused by Brexit.

    Like pretty much everything in this world, there are upsides as well as downsides to change.

    The EU has a tendency to act like it runs the world. Take its latest pronouncements on refusing to allow exports of vaccine from EU countries.

    This is not the EU's call to make. Astrazeneca or Pfizer make the stuff, and it is for them to decide where it goes.

    Not some unelected tinpot dictator.

    It is bad enough when our elected leaders do stuff that benefits them. But worse when some unelected leader of a largely imaginary superstate starts playing nationalistic politics. While going against their own independent medical advice (the EMA).

    Why are so many people so quick in wanting to bash the EU?

    Boris has been on tv a minute ago, lying through his teeth yet again.

    He claimed that the Indian Government has nothing to do with the vaccine deliveries that havent turned up.
    This was due to technical difficulties.
    Yet the Indian Foreign Minister has already been out and contradicted this.
    He is full of it.

    Then we expect the EU to just sit there and take it.
    AZ contracted to supply them with 90 million doses in the first quarter.
    There was a massive outcry when they announced they could only come up with 40 million.
    AZ promised to try harder, and come up with more.
    The number of doses has been subsequently reduced to 30 million.
    Yet they have supplied the UK with 10 million doses in the last 2 weeks.

    So we expect the EU to wear this and not interfere with the Pfizer vaccine intended for the UK.
    Boris cant manage to criticise India for doing exactly what the EU have only threatened to do, so far.

    What on earth does Boris expect.
    He cant accept responsibility for anything, lies through his teeth, breaks International Law at the drop of a hat, and tries to ignore anything he doesnt like, even when he has agreed to it.

    Boris lives in a one way street.
    Who could possibly trust him?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    You are always quick to report on any perceived problems caused by Brexit.

    Like pretty much everything in this world, there are upsides as well as downsides to change.

    The EU has a tendency to act like it runs the world. Take its latest pronouncements on refusing to allow exports of vaccine from EU countries.

    This is not the EU's call to make. Astrazeneca or Pfizer make the stuff, and it is for them to decide where it goes.

    Not some unelected tinpot dictator.

    It is bad enough when our elected leaders do stuff that benefits them. But worse when some unelected leader of a largely imaginary superstate starts playing nationalistic politics. While going against their own independent medical advice (the EMA).

    Why are so many people so quick in wanting to bash the EU?

    Boris has been on tv a minute ago, lying through his teeth yet again.

    He claimed that the Indian Government has nothing to do with the vaccine deliveries that havent turned up.
    This was due to technical difficulties.
    Yet the Indian Foreign Minister has already been out and contradicted this.
    He is full of it.

    Then we expect the EU to just sit there and take it.
    AZ contracted to supply them with 90 million doses in the first quarter.
    There was a massive outcry when they announced they could only come up with 40 million.
    AZ promised to try harder, and come up with more.
    The number of doses has been subsequently reduced to 30 million.
    Yet they have supplied the UK with 10 million doses in the last 2 weeks.

    So we expect the EU to wear this and not interfere with the Pfizer vaccine intended for the UK.
    Boris cant manage to criticise India for doing exactly what the EU have only threatened to do, so far.

    What on earth does Boris expect.
    He cant accept responsibility for anything, lies through his teeth, breaks International Law at the drop of a hat, and tries to ignore anything he doesnt like, even when he has agreed to it.

    Boris lives in a one way street.
    Who could possibly trust him?
    Britain in secret talks with India to get jabs back on track after Delhi 'delayed' shipment of five million AstraZeneca vaccines, meaning under-50s must wait for their shots and putting Britain's roll-out plan at risk


    Health Secretary Matt Hancock told MPs that a 'delay' to a shipment of five million AstraZeneca jabs from India was a key factor in shortages that will slow the pace of the vaccination campaign next month. Mr Hancock insisted the shortfall would not hit the Government's target to vaccinate all adults by the end of July - and would also not delay the lifting of the lockdown. But Downing Street did not deny a suggestion from the head of the Serum Institute of India (SII) that the Indian government was temporarily blocking exports of the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab. Its chief executive Adar Poonawalla said no further doses would be sent to Britain until the Indian government gave the go-ahead. Right: Manufacturing sites for the AstraZeneca and Pfizer jabs in Europe and India.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9378407/Britain-secret-talks-AstraZeneca-jabs-India-track.html
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,782
    I love the idea that Boris is the only 1 who habitually lies. They all do.

    The cynic in me suggests the following:-

    1. EU falling behind so pretend AZ vaccine not safe to buy time;
    2. UK gets going, and manages to get a whole month ahead of schedule;
    3. Purely coincidentally (of course) as the EU finally follows its own experts, we do not receive a large AZ shipment for exactly 1 month

    The UK and EU cannot politically be seen to be working together. But they are...
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    Essexphil said:

    I love the idea that Boris is the only 1 who habitually lies. They all do.

    I am sure that Boris would prefer to lie than tell the truth, even when it makes no real difference.

    The cynic in me suggests the following:-

    1. EU falling behind so pretend AZ vaccine not safe to buy time;

    Or they were just concerned at the lack of data in respect of older people.


    3. UK gets going, and manages to get a whole month ahead of schedule;

    No argument.


    5. Purely coincidentally (of course) as the EU finally follows its own experts, we do not receive a large AZ shipment for exactly 1 month

    From India, stopped by the Indian Government and denied by Boris.

    The UK and EU cannot politically be seen to be working together. But they are...

  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,782
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I love the idea that Boris is the only 1 who habitually lies. They all do.

    I am sure that Boris would prefer to lie than tell the truth, even when it makes no real difference.

    The cynic in me suggests the following:-

    1. EU falling behind so pretend AZ vaccine not safe to buy time;

    Or they were just concerned at the lack of data in respect of older people.


    3. UK gets going, and manages to get a whole month ahead of schedule;

    No argument.


    5. Purely coincidentally (of course) as the EU finally follows its own experts, we do not receive a large AZ shipment for exactly 1 month

    From India, stopped by the Indian Government and denied by Boris.

    The UK and EU cannot politically be seen to be working together. But they are...

    Your position is that all politicians around the world are telling the truth, and that Boris Johnson is unique as a lying politician. Good luck with that ;)

    The UK and the EU cannot currently be seen to be giving ground. But behind the scenes various countries in the EU are facing a devastating 3rd wave.

    AZ fund the Indian operation. You choose to believe Boris, who you believe to be a habitual liar, when he gets all woolly about the Indian delivery. At a time when deceiving a Parliament is looking fatal to the First Minister in Scotland.

    You believe the Indian position, that a massive 5 million vaccine order, had no date placed on it. And that a country of some 1.4 billion people, definitely needs 5 million vaccines but no more than that.

    Whereas I believe they have been persuaded to say all this to save the careers of various EU (and to a lesser extent, UK) politicians.

    I am no conspiracy theorist. But ask yourself this:-

    1. Why did we have priority groups going down to age 50? 50-59s are much lower risk than the other 7 groups. Odd that that is the exact time the unexpected pause happens
    2. Why is it, when this is the biggest logistical operation for decades, that we managed to get a whole month ahead of schedule? Funny how that is the exact same time period as this delay
    3. Why is there no mention of the amount of vaccines produced anywhere? You'd think that is vital info.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    edited March 2021
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I love the idea that Boris is the only 1 who habitually lies. They all do.

    I am sure that Boris would prefer to lie than tell the truth, even when it makes no real difference.

    The cynic in me suggests the following:-

    1. EU falling behind so pretend AZ vaccine not safe to buy time;

    Or they were just concerned at the lack of data in respect of older people.


    3. UK gets going, and manages to get a whole month ahead of schedule;

    No argument.


    5. Purely coincidentally (of course) as the EU finally follows its own experts, we do not receive a large AZ shipment for exactly 1 month

    From India, stopped by the Indian Government and denied by Boris.

    The UK and EU cannot politically be seen to be working together. But they are...

    Your position is that all politicians around the world are telling the truth, and that Boris Johnson is unique as a lying politician. Good luck with that ;)

    I am not.
    I care less about politicians around the world than I do about our lying piece of sh1t of a Prime Minister.
    Two wrongs dont make a right.
    Are really trying to say that because other politicians lie it is ok for Boris to follow suit?
    I am not sure that any other politician in the world gets caught lying as much as Boris.


    The UK and the EU cannot currently be seen to be giving ground. But behind the scenes various countries in the EU are facing a devastating 3rd wave.

    And AZ are withholding supplies of vaccine.

    AZ fund the Indian operation. You choose to believe Boris, who you believe to be a habitual liar, when he gets all woolly about the Indian delivery. At a time when deceiving a Parliament is looking fatal to the First Minister in Scotland.

    How does Nicola Sturgeon get into this?
    Whether you like it or not, the Indian Government has restricted the supply of AZ vaccines to the UK.
    Boris has not only lied about this, he is very warm and fluffy towards the Indian Government.
    On the other hand he has demonised the EU for merely threatening to do exactly what the Indian Government has done.
    You seem to be in agreement with him.
    I think that the EU are quite right to threaten when AZ, are completely taking the pi55 out of them.
    They are 60 million doses short of the AZ vaccine, while the UK supply is uninterrupted.
    What do you think they should say?
    Perhaps ok fair enough Boris?


    You believe the Indian position, that a massive 5 million vaccine order, had no date placed on it. And that a country of some 1.4 billion people, definitely needs 5 million vaccines but no more than that.

    Unlike Boris, I believe the Indian position that they have made no secret of, which is that UK deliveries will be delayed, while they use the AZ vaccine in India.
    The EU just want AZ to honour deliveries that they have contracted to.
    We expect the EU to put up with a 60 million dose shortfall, believe that Boris the liar has clean hands in this, and continue to allow Pfizer to honour its obligations to the UK.


    Whereas I believe they have been persuaded to say all this to save the careers of various EU (and to a lesser extent, UK) politicians.

    Dont understand this bit.
    Who has been persuaded to say what?
    Boris said yesterday that the Indian vaccine was delayed by technical issues.
    Matt Hancock claimed that the supply of vaccine is always "lumpy", I suppose that explains everything.
    The Indians have made no secret of why they are breaking their contract with the UK, and it has nothing to do with technical issues.


    I am no conspiracy theorist. But ask yourself this:-

    1. Why did we have priority groups going down to age 50? 50-59s are much lower risk than the other 7 groups. Odd that that is the exact time the unexpected pause happens

    Or they have just been let down by the Indians.

    3. Why is it, when this is the biggest logistical operation for decades, that we managed to get a whole month ahead of schedule? Funny how that is the exact same time period as this delay

    ?


    5. Why is there no mention of the amount of vaccines produced anywhere? You'd think that is vital info.
    Because they would just be confirming that they have stitched the EU up.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
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