I have to say I get rather tired of the annual demand for massive pay rises for Doctors and Nurses. No-one else these days is "insulted" by a pay rise. The papers never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Some points to note:-
1. The average Nurse now earns between £33-35,000 p.a 2. The average GP? £65,000 3. The average Consultant? About £100,000 4. The supposed "1%" conveniently ignores 1 important fact. Most NHS Medical posts have salary bands, so there are automatic pay increases to reward seniority/length of service 5. There are over 2 million people employed by the NHS. Any pay rise has to be paid by the rest of us. As well as the considerable other benefits, such as the Final Salary Pension Schemes 6. Supply and Demand is ignored. Due to the previous pay rises, together with being 1 of the few recession-proof careers, record numbers are applying to enter Nursing 7. No-one is denying that a large majority of frontline staff have done a brilliant job. But keeping people healthy is the job. The Army don't demand pay rises when they are sent to war-it is part of the job
Over the last year, NHS staff have done a brilliant job. Should they get a 1-off bonus? Yes. Should they get a pay rise? Yes. Should they get a massive pay rise? No.
Finally, note how it is always the top earners (doctors) and the middle earners (nurses) who demand pay rises.
Whereas the lower paid-the porters, the carers, seem less of a priority. Even though they have worked just as hard.
Putting aside whether they deserve it or not. I suppose they have every right to be disappointed if they feel they were promised 2.1%, and are now set to receive less than half of that.
"Tory MPs voted for 2.1%. The government budgeted for 2.1% and it was passed in legislation because the spending plans for the NHS came to the House of Commons and it went through the Commons - every Tory MP voted for 2.1% in January last year.
How much does a nurse earn?
The average nurse salary is £25,578 within the UK. Fully qualified nurses can expect to earn at least £22,000 rising to over £28,000 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change Pay Rates. A nurse salary rises when new responsibilities are taken on such as ward sister, ward manager or team leader position.
What is the average salary of a registered nurse?
An entry-level Registered Nurse (RN) with less than 1 year experience can expect to earn an average total compensation (includes tips, bonus, and overtime pay) of £22,902 based on 190 salaries. An early career Registered Nurse (RN) with 1-4 years of experience earns an average total compensation of £23,767 based on 1,269 salaries.
The NHS 1% Pay Rise Calculator Find out how much your NHS Pay will increase if the 1% pay rise goes ahead.
The NHS salary for Band 3 with 2 years experience:
£21,142 per annum 1% will increase your NHS Salary to:
You cannot say that an average nurse is Newly Qualified with less than 1 years' service. Because the average Nurse is a lot older, with a lot more experience. As the article you quote actually says, the average nurses pay is between £33-35K. And that figure was from the largest Nursing Union (the RCN)
To start with a simple example, you receive a band uplift of just under 10% for achieving 2 years' service. So that equates to a 6% p.a pay rise if you add the 1%p.a to it. The only people getting just 1% are the people already at the top of the pay band.
Then there is the simple fact that Nursing is not a 9-5 job. If (as the vast majority do) you work your fair share of nights, Bank Holidays etc, pay for those days is enhanced by 30-60%. Then there is weighting according to where you work.
Yes, I get that MPs voted for 2.1%. Before the world changed. And budget constraints with them. Which would you prefer? Halving of 1 element of your pay rises, or losing your job, as has happened to pretty much everyone in other industries (such as hospitality)?
I am not arguing about the nurses average wage. I merely included some examples that show that many nurses earn far below the average. I still think that anyone that is given less than half the pay rise they were promised is likely to be disappointed. You allude to the effects of the pandemic as the reason for the reduction. When the part that the front line NHS staff have played must make it thar much more galling. The way you big up the nurses pay makes the NHS staff shortages all the more difficult to understand. The track and trace investment could have paid for the higher increase for the next 74 years.
If some people didn't earn less, and some more, it wouldn't be an average.
Pay rises not on merit-just for being there. Bound to be "disappointed"-just not as much as the thousands who lost their jobs. We have spent £billions of money due to the pandemic. You think any other people are getting huge pay rises?
I'm not "bigging up" nurse's pay-I'm saying what it is. It takes years to train Nurses-a degree for starters-so there is a time lag. Fact remains record numbers are now training.
Track and trace was largely a waste. but there are hundreds, if not thousands, of worthy causes for limited money.
Soldiers don't demand pay increases for winning wars. And they don't threaten to go on strike.
The Times has been told that nurses could be offered a rise of more than 2% under plans being considered by ministers to try to defuse the NHS pay row.
A government source is quoted as saying it's a matter of "when, not if" the current 1% offer is increased.
The source says ministers are considering a rise of more than the 2.1% proposed in 2019 by the government - and suggests somewhere between 2% and 3% would be "realistic".
Speaker’s slapdown for Boris Johnson over lying in Parliament that Labour voted against NHS pay rise
The Speaker of the House of Commons has issued a stinging slapdown to Boris Johnson, after Downing Street indicated that the prime minster would not correct a misleading statement to MPs.
Mr Johnson was accused of lying to MPs during the weekly session of prime minister’s questions when he twice wrongly stated that Labour had voted against a document proposing an above-inflation pay rise for nurses.
But his press secretary Allegra Stratton indicated that he would not apologise or correct his statement, saying that the matter was closed after the Speaker accepted a “point of clarification” from Labour pointing out the PM’s falsehood.
In a stern rebuke, Hoyle today made a statement to the Commons, in which he said he should not be dragged into political rows over the accuracy of statements made by MPs.
The Speaker said MPs “must take responsibility” for correcting the record if they make a mistake in the chamber, adding: “It is not dishonourable to make a mistake, but to seek to avoid admitting one is a different matter.”
Mr Johnson clashed with Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer on Wednesday over proposals for a below-inflation pay rise for NHS workers in England.
Mr Starmer said the original funding package had included a 2.1 per cent increase rather than the 1 per cent now recommended by ministers.
Mr Johnson twice claimed Labour voted against the settlement for the NHS – but the NHS Funding Act was approved “on the nod” without a vote in early 2020 after Starmer’s party offered no formal opposition.
Shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth accused Mr Johnson of misleading MPs and later used a social media post to say Mr Johnson “lied at PMQs”.
It was the third time in as many weeks that the prime minister has been accused of misleading MPs at PMQs.
At a post-PMQS media briefing on Wednesday, Ms Stratton was repeatedly challenged over Mr Johnson’s comments and did not dispute claims that they were incorrect, but indicated he would neither apologise nor correct the record.
Nurses will be given MORE than the 1% pay rise after all: Many staff will get 1.7% increase and some more than 2% amid furore over wages following pandemic heroics
Nurses are set to get a bigger pay rise than the widely-criticised one per cent. Many will actually get a 1.7 per cent increase to their wages this year thanks to a previously agreed Government deal.
NHS GP earning £700,000 a year is one of hundreds earning more than the Prime Minister while nurses on as little as £24,907 row over a 1% pay rise
Nearly 7,500 GPs are earning between £100,000 and £199,999 a year, while one is pocketing £700,000 - more than four times the salary of Boris Johnson. The figures come amid a row over nurses' pay.
I have to say I get rather tired of the annual demand for massive pay rises for Doctors and Nurses. No-one else these days is "insulted" by a pay rise. The papers never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Some points to note:-
1. The average Nurse now earns between £33-35,000 p.a 2. The average GP? £65,000 3. The average Consultant? About £100,000 4. The supposed "1%" conveniently ignores 1 important fact. Most NHS Medical posts have salary bands, so there are automatic pay increases to reward seniority/length of service 5. There are over 2 million people employed by the NHS. Any pay rise has to be paid by the rest of us. As well as the considerable other benefits, such as the Final Salary Pension Schemes 6. Supply and Demand is ignored. Due to the previous pay rises, together with being 1 of the few recession-proof careers, record numbers are applying to enter Nursing 7. No-one is denying that a large majority of frontline staff have done a brilliant job. But keeping people healthy is the job. The Army don't demand pay rises when they are sent to war-it is part of the job
Over the last year, NHS staff have done a brilliant job. Should they get a 1-off bonus? Yes. Should they get a pay rise? Yes. Should they get a massive pay rise? No.
Finally, note how it is always the top earners (doctors) and the middle earners (nurses) who demand pay rises.
Whereas the lower paid-the porters, the carers, seem less of a priority. Even though they have worked just as hard.
Putting aside whether they deserve it or not. I suppose they have every right to be disappointed if they feel they were promised 2.1%, and are now set to receive less than half of that.
"Tory MPs voted for 2.1%. The government budgeted for 2.1% and it was passed in legislation because the spending plans for the NHS came to the House of Commons and it went through the Commons - every Tory MP voted for 2.1% in January last year.
How much does a nurse earn?
The average nurse salary is £25,578 within the UK. Fully qualified nurses can expect to earn at least £22,000 rising to over £28,000 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change Pay Rates. A nurse salary rises when new responsibilities are taken on such as ward sister, ward manager or team leader position.
What is the average salary of a registered nurse?
An entry-level Registered Nurse (RN) with less than 1 year experience can expect to earn an average total compensation (includes tips, bonus, and overtime pay) of £22,902 based on 190 salaries. An early career Registered Nurse (RN) with 1-4 years of experience earns an average total compensation of £23,767 based on 1,269 salaries.
The NHS 1% Pay Rise Calculator Find out how much your NHS Pay will increase if the 1% pay rise goes ahead.
The NHS salary for Band 3 with 2 years experience:
£21,142 per annum 1% will increase your NHS Salary to:
You cannot say that an average nurse is Newly Qualified with less than 1 years' service. Because the average Nurse is a lot older, with a lot more experience. As the article you quote actually says, the average nurses pay is between £33-35K. And that figure was from the largest Nursing Union (the RCN)
To start with a simple example, you receive a band uplift of just under 10% for achieving 2 years' service. So that equates to a 6% p.a pay rise if you add the 1%p.a to it. The only people getting just 1% are the people already at the top of the pay band.
Then there is the simple fact that Nursing is not a 9-5 job. If (as the vast majority do) you work your fair share of nights, Bank Holidays etc, pay for those days is enhanced by 30-60%. Then there is weighting according to where you work.
Yes, I get that MPs voted for 2.1%. Before the world changed. And budget constraints with them. Which would you prefer? Halving of 1 element of your pay rises, or losing your job, as has happened to pretty much everyone in other industries (such as hospitality)?
I am not arguing about the nurses average wage. I merely included some examples that show that many nurses earn far below the average. I still think that anyone that is given less than half the pay rise they were promised is likely to be disappointed. You allude to the effects of the pandemic as the reason for the reduction. When the part that the front line NHS staff have played must make it thar much more galling. The way you big up the nurses pay makes the NHS staff shortages all the more difficult to understand. The track and trace investment could have paid for the higher increase for the next 74 years.
If some people didn't earn less, and some more, it wouldn't be an average.
Pay rises not on merit-just for being there. Bound to be "disappointed"-just not as much as the thousands who lost their jobs. We have spent £billions of money due to the pandemic. You think any other people are getting huge pay rises?
I'm not "bigging up" nurse's pay-I'm saying what it is. It takes years to train Nurses-a degree for starters-so there is a time lag. Fact remains record numbers are now training.
Track and trace was largely a waste. but there are hundreds, if not thousands, of worthy causes for limited money.
Soldiers don't demand pay increases for winning wars. And they don't threaten to go on strike.
Boris Johnson under fresh pressure over NHS pay after Scotland offers staff 4% increase
I have to say I get rather tired of the annual demand for massive pay rises for Doctors and Nurses. No-one else these days is "insulted" by a pay rise. The papers never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Some points to note:-
1. The average Nurse now earns between £33-35,000 p.a 2. The average GP? £65,000 3. The average Consultant? About £100,000 4. The supposed "1%" conveniently ignores 1 important fact. Most NHS Medical posts have salary bands, so there are automatic pay increases to reward seniority/length of service 5. There are over 2 million people employed by the NHS. Any pay rise has to be paid by the rest of us. As well as the considerable other benefits, such as the Final Salary Pension Schemes 6. Supply and Demand is ignored. Due to the previous pay rises, together with being 1 of the few recession-proof careers, record numbers are applying to enter Nursing 7. No-one is denying that a large majority of frontline staff have done a brilliant job. But keeping people healthy is the job. The Army don't demand pay rises when they are sent to war-it is part of the job
Over the last year, NHS staff have done a brilliant job. Should they get a 1-off bonus? Yes. Should they get a pay rise? Yes. Should they get a massive pay rise? No.
Finally, note how it is always the top earners (doctors) and the middle earners (nurses) who demand pay rises.
Whereas the lower paid-the porters, the carers, seem less of a priority. Even though they have worked just as hard.
Putting aside whether they deserve it or not. I suppose they have every right to be disappointed if they feel they were promised 2.1%, and are now set to receive less than half of that.
"Tory MPs voted for 2.1%. The government budgeted for 2.1% and it was passed in legislation because the spending plans for the NHS came to the House of Commons and it went through the Commons - every Tory MP voted for 2.1% in January last year.
How much does a nurse earn?
The average nurse salary is £25,578 within the UK. Fully qualified nurses can expect to earn at least £22,000 rising to over £28,000 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change Pay Rates. A nurse salary rises when new responsibilities are taken on such as ward sister, ward manager or team leader position.
What is the average salary of a registered nurse?
An entry-level Registered Nurse (RN) with less than 1 year experience can expect to earn an average total compensation (includes tips, bonus, and overtime pay) of £22,902 based on 190 salaries. An early career Registered Nurse (RN) with 1-4 years of experience earns an average total compensation of £23,767 based on 1,269 salaries.
The NHS 1% Pay Rise Calculator Find out how much your NHS Pay will increase if the 1% pay rise goes ahead.
The NHS salary for Band 3 with 2 years experience:
£21,142 per annum 1% will increase your NHS Salary to:
You cannot say that an average nurse is Newly Qualified with less than 1 years' service. Because the average Nurse is a lot older, with a lot more experience. As the article you quote actually says, the average nurses pay is between £33-35K. And that figure was from the largest Nursing Union (the RCN)
To start with a simple example, you receive a band uplift of just under 10% for achieving 2 years' service. So that equates to a 6% p.a pay rise if you add the 1%p.a to it. The only people getting just 1% are the people already at the top of the pay band.
Then there is the simple fact that Nursing is not a 9-5 job. If (as the vast majority do) you work your fair share of nights, Bank Holidays etc, pay for those days is enhanced by 30-60%. Then there is weighting according to where you work.
Yes, I get that MPs voted for 2.1%. Before the world changed. And budget constraints with them. Which would you prefer? Halving of 1 element of your pay rises, or losing your job, as has happened to pretty much everyone in other industries (such as hospitality)?
I am not arguing about the nurses average wage. I merely included some examples that show that many nurses earn far below the average. I still think that anyone that is given less than half the pay rise they were promised is likely to be disappointed. You allude to the effects of the pandemic as the reason for the reduction. When the part that the front line NHS staff have played must make it thar much more galling. The way you big up the nurses pay makes the NHS staff shortages all the more difficult to understand. The track and trace investment could have paid for the higher increase for the next 74 years.
If some people didn't earn less, and some more, it wouldn't be an average.
Pay rises not on merit-just for being there. Bound to be "disappointed"-just not as much as the thousands who lost their jobs. We have spent £billions of money due to the pandemic. You think any other people are getting huge pay rises?
I'm not "bigging up" nurse's pay-I'm saying what it is. It takes years to train Nurses-a degree for starters-so there is a time lag. Fact remains record numbers are now training.
Track and trace was largely a waste. but there are hundreds, if not thousands, of worthy causes for limited money.
Soldiers don't demand pay increases for winning wars. And they don't threaten to go on strike.
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A government source is quoted as saying it's a matter of "when, not if" the current 1% offer is increased.
The source says ministers are considering a rise of more than the 2.1% proposed in 2019 by the government - and suggests somewhere between 2% and 3% would be "realistic".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-56368518
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/environment/campaigners-hail-government-startling-u-turn-on-cumbria-coal-mine/ar-BB1ev1Hj?ocid=msedgntp
The Speaker of the House of Commons has issued a stinging slapdown to Boris Johnson, after Downing Street indicated that the prime minster would not correct a misleading statement to MPs.
Mr Johnson was accused of lying to MPs during the weekly session of prime minister’s questions when he twice wrongly stated that Labour had voted against a document proposing an above-inflation pay rise for nurses.
But his press secretary Allegra Stratton indicated that he would not apologise or correct his statement, saying that the matter was closed after the Speaker accepted a “point of clarification” from Labour pointing out the PM’s falsehood.
In a stern rebuke, Hoyle today made a statement to the Commons, in which he said he should not be dragged into political rows over the accuracy of statements made by MPs.
The Speaker said MPs “must take responsibility” for correcting the record if they make a mistake in the chamber, adding: “It is not dishonourable to make a mistake, but to seek to avoid admitting one is a different matter.”
Mr Johnson clashed with Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer on Wednesday over proposals for a below-inflation pay rise for NHS workers in England.
Mr Starmer said the original funding package had included a 2.1 per cent increase rather than the 1 per cent now recommended by ministers.
Mr Johnson twice claimed Labour voted against the settlement for the NHS – but the NHS Funding Act was approved “on the nod” without a vote in early 2020 after Starmer’s party offered no formal opposition.
Shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth accused Mr Johnson of misleading MPs and later used a social media post to say Mr Johnson “lied at PMQs”.
It was the third time in as many weeks that the prime minister has been accused of misleading MPs at PMQs.
At a post-PMQS media briefing on Wednesday, Ms Stratton was repeatedly challenged over Mr Johnson’s comments and did not dispute claims that they were incorrect, but indicated he would neither apologise nor correct the record.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/speaker-s-slapdown-for-boris-johnson-over-lying-in-parliament-that-labour-voted-against-nhs-pay-rise/ar-BB1etRcm?ocid=msedgntp
Nurses are set to get a bigger pay rise than the widely-criticised one per cent. Many will actually get a 1.7 per cent increase to their wages this year thanks to a previously agreed Government deal.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9352933/Nurses-given-1-pay-rise-staff-1-7-increase.html
Nearly 7,500 GPs are earning between £100,000 and £199,999 a year, while one is pocketing £700,000 - more than four times the salary of Boris Johnson. The figures come amid a row over nurses' pay.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9356701/NHS-GP-earning-700-000-year-one-hundreds-earning-Prime-Minister.html
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-under-fresh-pressure-over-nhs-pay-after-scotland-offers-staff-4-increase/ar-BB1eVWNV?ocid=msedgntp