I appreciate you don't follow the argument. So I will try and explain.
When you are in the EU, there are supposed to be rules protecting the Members. Like, for example, imports to Ireland from the UK.
Polish coal was being bought throughout the EU at the subsidised price. I expect that the EU did this both to save money and because the UK Govt was happy for them to do so.
The point is-it was at that time the European Economic Community. Not a plaything for Governments. UK or EU.
My point is that the UK Government didnt have to import Polish coal. Poland werent members therefore the EU had no control over subsidies. I dont understand the point of subsidising a product and selling it to all and sundry. When the more you sell, the more it costs you.
Wow. Economics, particularly macro-economics, seems to have passed you by. So I will give you a really simple example.
Country A produces coal at £100 per tonne. Country B produces coal at £95 per tonne.
Country A & B both have VAT at 20%. Country A reduces VAT to 10%, knocking its price down to £90 per tonne. Sells 10 times the amount, thereby raising more Revenue than before.
Understand now?
Of course the EU has power in relation to subsidies. Simply by raising import tariffs. Because that is the whole point of being in a trade bloc.
I understand. Your example is true, depending on the amount of vat being reclaimed, and the transport cost.
I am giving up on this. I thought successive UK Governments subsidised coal, and bought particular types of coal elsewhere.
Successive Governments did. Both Conservative and Labour.
There had been a managed decline as the market shrank The number of people employed in the coal industry reduced by 75% over the course of 60 years.
And then in 1980 Thatcher did what she considered best for her. Which was to abandon all support, sure in the knowledge that she was right and all the rest of the world (as well as the last 10 UK Governments) was wrong. Giving the clear signal to Poland that their undercutting was to be allowed to succeed. They were not providing specialist coal products-they were our main rival
Employment in coal dropped from 237,000 in 1980 to 49,000 by 1990. Decimating various communities. An 80% cut. In 10 years.
As of 2019, numbers employed in the coal industry in the UK? 699.
Certainly not the fault of being in the EU. But they could have helped, and chose not to.
Successive Governments did. Both Conservative and Labour.
There had been a managed decline as the market shrank The number of people employed in the coal industry reduced by 75% over the course of 60 years.
And then in 1980 Thatcher did what she considered best for her. Which was to abandon all support, sure in the knowledge that she was right and all the rest of the world (as well as the last 10 UK Governments) was wrong. Giving the clear signal to Poland that their undercutting was to be allowed to succeed. They were not providing specialist coal products-they were our main rival
Employment in coal dropped from 237,000 in 1980 to 49,000 by 1990. Decimating various communities. An 80% cut. In 10 years.
As of 2019, numbers employed in the coal industry in the UK? 699.
Certainly not the fault of being in the EU. But they could have helped, and chose not to.
So any country may choose to buy products elsewhere, whether they are subsidised or not, to save money on subsidising their own production.
It is undoubtedly true that there have been, and continue to be, various reasons for inflation in this country being persistently worse than elsewhere.
I think 2 of the major causes are undeniable. Brexit. And the hapless Bank of England.
In shock news, the previous head of the 2nd seeks to pin all the blame on the 1st
It is undoubtedly true that there have been, and continue to be, various reasons for inflation in this country being persistently worse than elsewhere.
I think 2 of the major causes are undeniable. Brexit. And the hapless Bank of England.
In shock news, the previous head of the 2nd seeks to pin all the blame on the 1st
Its not a surprise.
Fears raised over ‘sting in tail’ post-Brexit border charge for food – report
Concerns have reportedly been raised that a post-Brexit border charge proposed by the Government for EU food imports will filter through to consumers.
The planned policy – outlined in a Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) consultation paper – would see businesses pay a flat-rate inspection fee of up to £43 per consignment.
Shane Brennan, director of the Cold Chain Federation, told The Observer that the proposal would be “the sting in the tail” of the post-Brexit food inspection regime and it would be “unavoidable” that the cost would hit UK consumers too.
“This Government tax for importing food goods from Europe comes on top of the costs of vets’ and customs agents’ fees, as well as increased supply chain costs, all arising from the post-Brexit realities of trying to service the UK,” he said.
“Forty-three pounds doesn’t sound like a lot but, given that we import thousands of consignments of food goods through Dover every day, it amounts to a border tax costing the industry millions. It is unavoidable that these costs will filter through to consumers.”
The most recent official data showed that food inflation struck 19.3% in April, dipping only slightly from March’s eye-watering 19.6% and remaining close to the highest rate for more than 45 years.
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Your example is true, depending on the amount of vat being reclaimed, and the transport cost.
I am giving up on this.
I thought successive UK Governments subsidised coal, and bought particular types of coal elsewhere.
There had been a managed decline as the market shrank The number of people employed in the coal industry reduced by 75% over the course of 60 years.
And then in 1980 Thatcher did what she considered best for her. Which was to abandon all support, sure in the knowledge that she was right and all the rest of the world (as well as the last 10 UK Governments) was wrong. Giving the clear signal to Poland that their undercutting was to be allowed to succeed. They were not providing specialist coal products-they were our main rival
Employment in coal dropped from 237,000 in 1980 to 49,000 by 1990. Decimating various communities. An 80% cut. In 10 years.
As of 2019, numbers employed in the coal industry in the UK? 699.
Certainly not the fault of being in the EU. But they could have helped, and chose not to.
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I think 2 of the major causes are undeniable. Brexit. And the hapless Bank of England.
In shock news, the previous head of the 2nd seeks to pin all the blame on the 1st
Fears raised over ‘sting in tail’ post-Brexit border charge for food – report
Concerns have reportedly been raised that a post-Brexit border charge proposed by the Government for EU food imports will filter through to consumers.
The planned policy – outlined in a Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) consultation paper – would see businesses pay a flat-rate inspection fee of up to £43 per consignment.
Shane Brennan, director of the Cold Chain Federation, told The Observer that the proposal would be “the sting in the tail” of the post-Brexit food inspection regime and it would be “unavoidable” that the cost would hit UK consumers too.
“This Government tax for importing food goods from Europe comes on top of the costs of vets’ and customs agents’ fees, as well as increased supply chain costs, all arising from the post-Brexit realities of trying to service the UK,” he said.
“Forty-three pounds doesn’t sound like a lot but, given that we import thousands of consignments of food goods through Dover every day, it amounts to a border tax costing the industry millions. It is unavoidable that these costs will filter through to consumers.”
The most recent official data showed that food inflation struck 19.3% in April, dipping only slightly from March’s eye-watering 19.6% and remaining close to the highest rate for more than 45 years.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/fears-raised-over-sting-in-tail-post-brexit-border-charge-for-food-report/ar-AA1cGvVI?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a5173c7ee5cc4e40b6e5903e5d8a03ec&ei=44
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