It's not as different as it first sounds. 1 is effectively 3 months every 6 months. The other 6 months every year.
The next thing to say is that, subject to Freedom of Movement for EU citizens, each EU Member is free to have its own rules.
Some entered the Schengen Agreement. This means, for example, if a Japanese National has permission to enter Germany, he automatically has the right to enter, say, France for the same duration. Which makes more sense for Continental European Nations such as France/Germany/Italy. And less for island nations such as Ireland and Cyprus (and, previously, the UK).
Spain, unlike a lot of other EU nations, is highly reliant on UK nationals spending money there. So they want us to be able to bring our wallets as easily as possible.
PS-I respect anyone's right to make a new life in a new country. But, if that move is permanent, they become citizens of that country. So, when people born here have lived elsewhere, and paid tax elsewhere, for decades, there is a reason why they feel the UK is no longer their country. It is because it isn't.
Brexit an 'economic disaster' for UK and German trade - DIHK
It's not as different as it first sounds. 1 is effectively 3 months every 6 months. The other 6 months every year.
The next thing to say is that, subject to Freedom of Movement for EU citizens, each EU Member is free to have its own rules.
Some entered the Schengen Agreement. This means, for example, if a Japanese National has permission to enter Germany, he automatically has the right to enter, say, France for the same duration. Which makes more sense for Continental European Nations such as France/Germany/Italy. And less for island nations such as Ireland and Cyprus (and, previously, the UK).
Spain, unlike a lot of other EU nations, is highly reliant on UK nationals spending money there. So they want us to be able to bring our wallets as easily as possible.
PS-I respect anyone's right to make a new life in a new country. But, if that move is permanent, they become citizens of that country. So, when people born here have lived elsewhere, and paid tax elsewhere, for decades, there is a reason why they feel the UK is no longer their country. It is because it isn't.
Brexit: This is how Britain could actually rejoin the EU
I mean the issue of the Brexit vote was about sovereignty.
I read today that apparently 30% of Brexit voters would have voted different if we could vote on this again, but then we cant keep having referendums in perpetuity.
Of course the Winnis mentioned the idea of having a referendum on re-joining Europe not that it would make much difference the outcome of that. However there was then dispute on whether there should be a referendum considering one was already had there was a lot of debate and anger so they decided to quell this by having a referendum on whether they should have a referendum. Of course this proved contentious and then a referendum was set up regarding whether they have a referendum, which some winnis got angry about saying was ridiculous so it was decided to first have a referendum on whether they should have a referendum regarding a referendum. By this point some complained that there should not be all these referendums so a referendum was proposed about that but some complained this was getting ridiculous and we need a referendum on that but then that referendum came back with a no vote,
and now all the winnis are confused about what this means and where we go from here and the whole thing has broken down into pandemonium and chaos.
@Essexphil if you continue to be unbiased,impartial & generally neutral whilst expressing logical arguments, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to resort to football digs at Spurs...
I still dont get it. The only thing that makes sense is that she now has Spanish Citizenship, or right of permanent residence. I dont see why the length of time EU citizens can spend in the UK becomes part of her story. Obviously a British citizen can spend as long as they want in the UK. If she was still a British citizen the same rules would apply to both her and her husband.
I dont understand why we let Europeans in for 6 months at a time, when they only let us in for 3. That is so unlike us. Unless we let them in for 6 months once, because they will let us in for 3 months twice. Get an Irish passport.
I presume you are referring to the last of the 6 people.
Her Husband needs to work/live in the UK for 7 months of the year. Which he could not do if he became a Spanish citizen. In addition, if he remained a UK citizen, he could only stay in Spain for a maximum of 3 months at a time. As a single block.
They want the best of both worlds, where she lives in Spain and he lives/works in the UK 7 months of the year, and lives in Spain 5 months of the year.
The current rules for both Spain and the UK do not currently allow them to have their preferred arrangements. So they either live permanently in just the 1 country, or live apart. They've chosen to live in the UK. And whine about it.
The reason he cannot apply to be a Spanish Resident is because he wants to work in the UK.
Brexit fall-out raises ‘existential questions’ for Good Friday deal, warns DUP leader
Successive Governments did. Both Conservative and Labour.
There had been a managed decline as the market shrank The number of people employed in the coal industry reduced by 75% over the course of 60 years.
And then in 1980 Thatcher did what she considered best for her. Which was to abandon all support, sure in the knowledge that she was right and all the rest of the world (as well as the last 10 UK Governments) was wrong. Giving the clear signal to Poland that their undercutting was to be allowed to succeed. They were not providing specialist coal products-they were our main rival
Employment in coal dropped from 237,000 in 1980 to 49,000 by 1990. Decimating various communities. An 80% cut. In 10 years.
As of 2019, numbers employed in the coal industry in the UK? 699.
Certainly not the fault of being in the EU. But they could have helped, and chose not to.
It is undoubtedly true that there have been, and continue to be, various reasons for inflation in this country being persistently worse than elsewhere.
I think 2 of the major causes are undeniable. Brexit. And the hapless Bank of England.
In shock news, the previous head of the 2nd seeks to pin all the blame on the 1st
Brexit: How do people in Clacton feel seven years after vote?
i morning briefing: Three things that could influence Britain rejoining the EU
In 2019, Britain was slathered in adverts reminding people to “Get Ready for Brexit” as the 31 October deadline for leaving the EU approached. The government spent £46m on a campaign that “had little effect on public preparedness” and was described by critics as an “expensive propaganda stunt”. But the cost of that failed campaign is just a drop in the ocean compared to what analysts and think tanks say Brexit has cost the British economy. Earlier this year, Bloomberg Economics said £100bn is being lost a year and that the economy is 4% smaller than it might have been if the Remain vote had won. Leaving the EU has already contributed to higher food bills, and now, with inflation soaring far above the rates of most European countries, it has come up for blame once again. That anger is being felt by the public, as evidenced by a string of recent polls which show a growing appetite for rejoining the bloc. Earlier this week, a BMG poll for i showed 57 per cent of voters blamed or partially blamed the UK’s departure from the EU for high inflation. Another, last month, revealed the proportion of Brits who want to rejoin the EU has climbed to its highest levels since the referendum took place in 2016 – with 58.2% saying they would now vote to rejoin. On top of that, Rishi Sunak is under pressure to rejoin the EU’s science and research scheme Horizon, and Labour is being squeezed by some of its own MPs to adopt a more radical policy on the issue. It may feel like the tide is turning, but what could push it to change? We’ll take a look after the headlines.
Three things that could influence Britain rejoining the EU:
Time: There’s both good and bad when it comes to the amount of time Britain stays out of the EU, in terms of whether it would give it a chance to rejoin. On the European side, it may make things more difficult, due to strained relations and wariness. Last month, senior EU officials said renegotiating the current Brexit deal was off the cards, as some industries called for those talks to be re-opened to save their industries. On top of that, the longer the UK is out of the bloc, the further it may stray from the meeting the criteria for re-joining. “The longer we leave it the more complicated accession is because the more we diverge and the EU will have changed,” says Professor Anand Menon, director of the UK In A Changing Europe think-tank told i. However some commentators believe that as it goes on, calls to rejoin will grow even louder, partly because the problems caused by Brexit will become more prominent, and partly because the younger more pro-EU generation will become more influential. The FT’s Gideon Rachman pointed out earlier this year: “Demographics and economics suggest that the Rejoin sentiment will strengthen over time. And, sadly, the damage done to the UK economy by Brexit is likely to become increasingly evident.” The Guardian’s Jonathan Freedland made a similar point, saying because “Brexit has proved to be both disastrous and unpopular … it’s easy to conclude that it’s only a matter of time before we reverse the decision we took seven years ago today.” And most recently senior Tory Tobias Ellwood told i politicians needed to admit Brexit was a mistake and rejoin the single market. “I didn’t know anybody who voted Remain or Brexit, who expected us to be where we are today,” he said.
Labour’s policy: There is a push now for Sir Keir Starmer to adopt a more radical policy towards Brexit ahead of the next election, as the public mood shifts. “The fog that was there for so long after we left the EU, when no-one wanted to talk about Brexit because people had voted for it, is starting to lift,” Labour MP Stella Creasy, chair of the Labour Movement for Europe, said earlier this month. “The public have moved on from 2019 but politics has not. At the Labour Movement for Europe we have said we cannot avoid this issue, we have got to talk about it because too many people’s jobs are at stake,” she added. Labour’s existing policy on Brexit was underlined by shadow Foreign Secretary David Lammy in a speech last month, which he said was to pursue a more “pragmatic” and improved relationship with Brussels, and a pledge to improve the UK’s trade deal with the EU when it comes up for review in 2025. However possibly pushing change is the Labour Movement for Europe, which has tabled amendments to the party’s national policy forum. They call for Labour to push for better access to the single market, including joining the Pan-Euro-Mediterranean Convention, which offers preferential treatment to some Balkan and Middle Eastern states, and paving the way to negotiate a new bespoke customs union for the UK. Read the full story here.
The cost: Britain is unlikely to be able to gain the kind of agreement it previously had with the EU, including exemptions from the Euro currency and possible Schengen. It’s previous “rebate” on contributions would also be unlikely to be implemented, meaning that rejoining could cost an additional £5.6bn a year. Negotiations could be “politically toxic”, Professor Menon says, due to the lack of a rebate and the fact the EU could demand higher overall contributions than before, as it expands eastwards and becomes poorer. “If we’re applying we’re a demander, so it’s extremely unlikely the EU will show much flexibility about anything,” he says. Read the full story on how rejoining Brexit could take a decade here.
I genuinely believed that Rishi Sunak would be better than Boris Johnson. I think everybody accepts that, for all his undoubted strengths, Boris was never a team player, and was a habitual liar.
Rishi promised "integrity and accountability". Unfortunately, that is a bigger lie than anything ever put on the side of a bus.
Routinely swerves PMQs. Too "busy" to be accountable. Mainly because he is useless at PMQs.
Integrity? Let's look at his Cabinet, and other key appointments. Starting with Suella Braverman. Someone who had been sacked for breaching the Ministerial Code 5 minutes before he took over. Who would have believed we could yearn for the "good old days" of Priti Patel?
Then look at some of the others. There are several who are just useless-Therese Coffey, Gillian Keegan, etc.
But-far more disturbingly-there are various people who have no place in polite society. Robert Jenrick. Johnny Mercer. 30p Lee.
Meanwhile loads of Tories flock to 2nd jobs at GB News. Don't mind the has-beens doing it. But not the people who are supposed to be helping to run this country! While the decent ones are quietly leaving politics.
I genuinely believed that Rishi Sunak would be better than Boris Johnson. I think everybody accepts that, for all his undoubted strengths, Boris was never a team player, and was a habitual liar.
Rishi promised "integrity and accountability". Unfortunately, that is a bigger lie than anything ever put on the side of a bus.
Routinely swerves PMQs. Too "busy" to be accountable. Mainly because he is useless at PMQs.
Integrity? Let's look at his Cabinet, and other key appointments. Starting with Suella Braverman. Someone who had been sacked for breaching the Ministerial Code 5 minutes before he took over. Who would have believed we could yearn for the "good old days" of Priti Patel?
Then look at some of the others. There are several who are just useless-Therese Coffey, Gillian Keegan, etc.
But-far more disturbingly-there are various people who have no place in polite society. Robert Jenrick. Johnny Mercer. 30p Lee.
Meanwhile loads of Tories flock to 2nd jobs at GB News. Don't mind the has-beens doing it. But not the people who are supposed to be helping to run this country! While the decent ones are quietly leaving politics.
I think that PMQs is a complete waste of time. The overwhelming majority of the Tory questions are a set up, to show them in a good light, or alternatively they will be regarding Rosie in Taunton, who has been hard done by in some shape or form. The Leader of the Opposition is allowed six questions. The PM provides answers. The only problem is that The answers he provides, are answers to completely different questions.
I think that PMQs should maybe last a couple of hours. It should solely involve the PM, and the Leader of the Opposition. The Speaker should play a more proactive role, and should be the judge of whether the question asked has been answered. All other questions should be dealt with via email.
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https://uk.yahoo.com/news/least-20-brexit-supporters-now-061356603.html
I read today that apparently 30% of Brexit voters would have voted different if we could vote on this again, but then we cant keep having referendums in perpetuity.
Of course the Winnis mentioned the idea of having a referendum on re-joining Europe not that it would make much difference the outcome of that. However there was then dispute on whether there should be a referendum considering one was already had there was a lot of debate and anger so they decided to quell this by having a referendum on whether they should have a referendum. Of course this proved contentious and then a referendum was set up regarding whether they have a referendum, which some winnis got angry about saying was ridiculous so it was decided to first have a referendum on whether they should have a referendum regarding a referendum. By this point some complained that there should not be all these referendums so a referendum was proposed about that but some complained this was getting ridiculous and we need a referendum on that but then that referendum came back with a no vote,
and now all the winnis are confused about what this means and where we go from here and the whole thing has broken down into pandemonium and chaos.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/brexit-time-audience-backs-survey-134740881.html
https://uk.yahoo.com/style/brexit-fall-raises-existential-questions-154809028.html
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/british-meat-fish-exports-eu-101650542.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64377942
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-65974187
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/we-must-admit-brexit-is-a-mistake-and-rejoin-the-single-market-says-senior-tory-tobias-ellwood/ar-AA1dnbv9?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4312e7c62d1245129453a1828c944511&ei=13
In 2019, Britain was slathered in adverts reminding people to “Get Ready for Brexit” as the 31 October deadline for leaving the EU approached. The government spent £46m on a campaign that “had little effect on public preparedness” and was described by critics as an “expensive propaganda stunt”. But the cost of that failed campaign is just a drop in the ocean compared to what analysts and think tanks say Brexit has cost the British economy. Earlier this year, Bloomberg Economics said £100bn is being lost a year and that the economy is 4% smaller than it might have been if the Remain vote had won. Leaving the EU has already contributed to higher food bills, and now, with inflation soaring far above the rates of most European countries, it has come up for blame once again. That anger is being felt by the public, as evidenced by a string of recent polls which show a growing appetite for rejoining the bloc. Earlier this week, a BMG poll for i showed 57 per cent of voters blamed or partially blamed the UK’s departure from the EU for high inflation. Another, last month, revealed the proportion of Brits who want to rejoin the EU has climbed to its highest levels since the referendum took place in 2016 – with 58.2% saying they would now vote to rejoin. On top of that, Rishi Sunak is under pressure to rejoin the EU’s science and research scheme Horizon, and Labour is being squeezed by some of its own MPs to adopt a more radical policy on the issue. It may feel like the tide is turning, but what could push it to change? We’ll take a look after the headlines.
Three things that could influence Britain rejoining the EU:
Time: There’s both good and bad when it comes to the amount of time Britain stays out of the EU, in terms of whether it would give it a chance to rejoin. On the European side, it may make things more difficult, due to strained relations and wariness. Last month, senior EU officials said renegotiating the current Brexit deal was off the cards, as some industries called for those talks to be re-opened to save their industries. On top of that, the longer the UK is out of the bloc, the further it may stray from the meeting the criteria for re-joining. “The longer we leave it the more complicated accession is because the more we diverge and the EU will have changed,” says Professor Anand Menon, director of the UK In A Changing Europe think-tank told i. However some commentators believe that as it goes on, calls to rejoin will grow even louder, partly because the problems caused by Brexit will become more prominent, and partly because the younger more pro-EU generation will become more influential. The FT’s Gideon Rachman pointed out earlier this year: “Demographics and economics suggest that the Rejoin sentiment will strengthen over time. And, sadly, the damage done to the UK economy by Brexit is likely to become increasingly evident.” The Guardian’s Jonathan Freedland made a similar point, saying because “Brexit has proved to be both disastrous and unpopular … it’s easy to conclude that it’s only a matter of time before we reverse the decision we took seven years ago today.” And most recently senior Tory Tobias Ellwood told i politicians needed to admit Brexit was a mistake and rejoin the single market. “I didn’t know anybody who voted Remain or Brexit, who expected us to be where we are today,” he said.
Labour’s policy: There is a push now for Sir Keir Starmer to adopt a more radical policy towards Brexit ahead of the next election, as the public mood shifts. “The fog that was there for so long after we left the EU, when no-one wanted to talk about Brexit because people had voted for it, is starting to lift,” Labour MP Stella Creasy, chair of the Labour Movement for Europe, said earlier this month. “The public have moved on from 2019 but politics has not. At the Labour Movement for Europe we have said we cannot avoid this issue, we have got to talk about it because too many people’s jobs are at stake,” she added. Labour’s existing policy on Brexit was underlined by shadow Foreign Secretary David Lammy in a speech last month, which he said was to pursue a more “pragmatic” and improved relationship with Brussels, and a pledge to improve the UK’s trade deal with the EU when it comes up for review in 2025. However possibly pushing change is the Labour Movement for Europe, which has tabled amendments to the party’s national policy forum. They call for Labour to push for better access to the single market, including joining the Pan-Euro-Mediterranean Convention, which offers preferential treatment to some Balkan and Middle Eastern states, and paving the way to negotiate a new bespoke customs union for the UK. Read the full story here.
The cost: Britain is unlikely to be able to gain the kind of agreement it previously had with the EU, including exemptions from the Euro currency and possible Schengen. It’s previous “rebate” on contributions would also be unlikely to be implemented, meaning that rejoining could cost an additional £5.6bn a year. Negotiations could be “politically toxic”, Professor Menon says, due to the lack of a rebate and the fact the EU could demand higher overall contributions than before, as it expands eastwards and becomes poorer. “If we’re applying we’re a demander, so it’s extremely unlikely the EU will show much flexibility about anything,” he says. Read the
full story on how rejoining Brexit could take a decade here.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/i-morning-briefing-three-things-that-could-influence-britain-rejoining-the-eu/ar-AA1dxVWF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b7485ca28b02477ea085c887e6034540&ei=71
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/why-reversing-brexit-and-rejoining-the-eu-could-take-a-decade-and-cost-the-uk-an-extra-5-6bn-a-year/ar-AA1dxHkf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b7485ca28b02477ea085c887e6034540&ei=49
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/politics-latest-news-more-than-40pc-of-voters-believe-labour-wants-to-reverse-brexit/ar-AA1dxZ7r?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=06d97dcd395d459da6284f5ab2a3efca&ei=12
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/we-need-more-eu-workers-admits-leading-tory-brexiter/ar-AA1dBKn9?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3d6efada307342fba755655207b6586c&ei=68
Rishi promised "integrity and accountability". Unfortunately, that is a bigger lie than anything ever put on the side of a bus.
Routinely swerves PMQs. Too "busy" to be accountable. Mainly because he is useless at PMQs.
Integrity? Let's look at his Cabinet, and other key appointments. Starting with Suella Braverman. Someone who had been sacked for breaching the Ministerial Code 5 minutes before he took over. Who would have believed we could yearn for the "good old days" of Priti Patel?
Then look at some of the others. There are several who are just useless-Therese Coffey, Gillian Keegan, etc.
But-far more disturbingly-there are various people who have no place in polite society. Robert Jenrick. Johnny Mercer. 30p Lee.
Meanwhile loads of Tories flock to 2nd jobs at GB News. Don't mind the has-beens doing it. But not the people who are supposed to be helping to run this country! While the decent ones are quietly leaving politics.
The overwhelming majority of the Tory questions are a set up, to show them in a good light, or alternatively they will be regarding Rosie in Taunton, who has been hard done by in some shape or form.
The Leader of the Opposition is allowed six questions.
The PM provides answers.
The only problem is that The answers he provides, are answers to completely different questions.
I think that PMQs should maybe last a couple of hours.
It should solely involve the PM, and the Leader of the Opposition.
The Speaker should play a more proactive role, and should be the judge of whether the question asked has been answered.
All other questions should be dealt with via email.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/comes-next-phase-brexit-bad-110030801.html
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/brexiteer-tory-george-eustice-roasted-094921560.html