Not sure about your comment that had referendum been held today the result would have been very different.
With Hindsight quite possibly, but without that hindsight we would be unaware of the pitfalls of leaving and so the result may well be replicated.
Would I change my vote if I knew then what I know now ?
No.
Whenever I see Ursula and her cronies, I am reminded of Senator Palpatine from the Star Wars franchise, uniting the Republic to further personal ambition, growing it's numbers and then using usurped power to create the Empire and ultimate control over all.
Unelected? How would you change it?
EU leaders pick von der Leyen for second term as Commission chief
Not sure about your comment that had referendum been held today the result would have been very different.
With Hindsight quite possibly, but without that hindsight we would be unaware of the pitfalls of leaving and so the result may well be replicated.
Would I change my vote if I knew then what I know now ?
No.
Whenever I see Ursula and her cronies, I am reminded of Senator Palpatine from the Star Wars franchise, uniting the Republic to further personal ambition, growing it's numbers and then using usurped power to create the Empire and ultimate control over all.
Unelected? How would you change it?
EU leaders pick von der Leyen for second term as Commission chief
Not sure about your comment that had referendum been held today the result would have been very different.
With Hindsight quite possibly, but without that hindsight we would be unaware of the pitfalls of leaving and so the result may well be replicated.
Would I change my vote if I knew then what I know now ?
No.
Whenever I see Ursula and her cronies, I am reminded of Senator Palpatine from the Star Wars franchise, uniting the Republic to further personal ambition, growing it's numbers and then using usurped power to create the Empire and ultimate control over all.
Unelected? How would you change it?
EU leaders pick von der Leyen for second term as Commission chief
All it will do is stop the faintly ridiculous war between the UK and the EU.
It might be the start of a new era. Where the UK and the EU realise and accept how much they need one another.
It might be that, in 5 or 10 years' time there will some form of supposedly bespoke agreement. Which will be some sort of Customs Union. Although it won't be called that, of course.
It will need to be sufficiently different than agreements with, say, Norway or Switzerland. But then it should be-the UK is totally different than any other non-EU nation in relation to its (economic) size and proximity.
What is very, very unlikely to happen is that we will ever rejoin the EU in its current form. Which will have nothing to do with whether that is, or is not, beneficial to the UK. Or the EU.
Simply because that is what will suit the Politicians of both the UK and the EU.
All it will do is stop the faintly ridiculous war between the UK and the EU.
It might be the start of a new era. Where the UK and the EU realise and accept how much they need one another.
It might be that, in 5 or 10 years' time there will some form of supposedly bespoke agreement. Which will be some sort of Customs Union. Although it won't be called that, of course.
It will need to be sufficiently different than agreements with, say, Norway or Switzerland. But then it should be-the UK is totally different than any other non-EU nation in relation to its (economic) size and proximity.
What is very, very unlikely to happen is that we will ever rejoin the EU in its current form. Which will have nothing to do with whether that is, or is not, beneficial to the UK. Or the EU.
Simply because that is what will suit the Politicians of both the UK and the EU.
Whatever you call it, just being members of a customs union has limited benefits. Being members of the SM/CU has many more benefits, as well as obligations. Just joing a customs union maybe considered by the EU as more cherry picking. It may solve the NI problems, but surely a bit of a no man's land. The Brexiteers would be up in arms, as it would stop us pursuing our own trade policy. Even though this appears to have made little difference since we have left.
Pros and cons of customs union membership
In a customs union with the EU, the UK will not be subject to the bloc’s common commercial policy — its joint trade policy. This means that although the UK would operate the same tariffs as the EU, Brussels would no longer negotiate trade agreements on the UK’s behalf and Britain will no longer be covered by the EU’s existing free trade agreements.
Brexiters say the UK would face the same problem as Turkey, which has its own customs union with the EU. They argue that Ankara in effect has to open its own market to countries around the world under EU trade deals — without automatically benefiting from reciprocal rights for its own exports.
All it will do is stop the faintly ridiculous war between the UK and the EU.
It might be the start of a new era. Where the UK and the EU realise and accept how much they need one another.
It might be that, in 5 or 10 years' time there will some form of supposedly bespoke agreement. Which will be some sort of Customs Union. Although it won't be called that, of course.
It will need to be sufficiently different than agreements with, say, Norway or Switzerland. But then it should be-the UK is totally different than any other non-EU nation in relation to its (economic) size and proximity.
What is very, very unlikely to happen is that we will ever rejoin the EU in its current form. Which will have nothing to do with whether that is, or is not, beneficial to the UK. Or the EU.
Simply because that is what will suit the Politicians of both the UK and the EU.
Whatever you call it, just being members of a customs union has limited benefits. Being members of the SM/CU has many more benefits, as well as obligations. Just joing a customs union maybe considered by the EU as more cherry picking. It may solve the NI problems, but surely a bit of a no man's land. The Brexiteers would be up in arms, as it would stop us pursuing our own trade policy. Even though this appears to have made little difference since we have left.
Pros and cons of customs union membership
In a customs union with the EU, the UK will not be subject to the bloc’s common commercial policy — its joint trade policy. This means that although the UK would operate the same tariffs as the EU, Brussels would no longer negotiate trade agreements on the UK’s behalf and Britain will no longer be covered by the EU’s existing free trade agreements.
Brexiters say the UK would face the same problem as Turkey, which has its own customs union with the EU. They argue that Ankara in effect has to open its own market to countries around the world under EU trade deals — without automatically benefiting from reciprocal rights for its own exports.
Isn’t it more important to stay in the single market than a customs union? Pro-EU advocates say remaining in the single market and in a customs union are both necessary for a frictionless border.
Each addresses different barriers to trade — duties and excise in the case of the customs union, product and health standards for the single market.
For Northern Ireland, for example, the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health said on Wednesday that membership of a customs union would only make a limited contribution to maintaining an invisible border with the Republic. “It is the UK’s current membership of the single market that harmonises safety and quality standards with the rest of the EU, the institute said.
All it will do is stop the faintly ridiculous war between the UK and the EU.
It might be the start of a new era. Where the UK and the EU realise and accept how much they need one another.
It might be that, in 5 or 10 years' time there will some form of supposedly bespoke agreement. Which will be some sort of Customs Union. Although it won't be called that, of course.
It will need to be sufficiently different than agreements with, say, Norway or Switzerland. But then it should be-the UK is totally different than any other non-EU nation in relation to its (economic) size and proximity.
What is very, very unlikely to happen is that we will ever rejoin the EU in its current form. Which will have nothing to do with whether that is, or is not, beneficial to the UK. Or the EU.
Simply because that is what will suit the Politicians of both the UK and the EU.
‘Disbelief’ as US-UK trade deals under threat after Britain axes negotiators
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How would you change it?
EU leaders pick von der Leyen for second term as Commission chief
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/eu-leaders-pick-von-der-leyen-for-second-term-as-commission-chief/ar-BB1p3ZLm?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=9b3598f6179c4f039d1823f051dfd471&ei=76#fullscreen
All it will do is stop the faintly ridiculous war between the UK and the EU.
It might be the start of a new era. Where the UK and the EU realise and accept how much they need one another.
It might be that, in 5 or 10 years' time there will some form of supposedly bespoke agreement. Which will be some sort of Customs Union. Although it won't be called that, of course.
It will need to be sufficiently different than agreements with, say, Norway or Switzerland. But then it should be-the UK is totally different than any other non-EU nation in relation to its (economic) size and proximity.
What is very, very unlikely to happen is that we will ever rejoin the EU in its current form. Which will have nothing to do with whether that is, or is not, beneficial to the UK. Or the EU.
Simply because that is what will suit the Politicians of both the UK and the EU.
Being members of the SM/CU has many more benefits, as well as obligations.
Just joing a customs union maybe considered by the EU as more cherry picking.
It may solve the NI problems, but surely a bit of a no man's land.
The Brexiteers would be up in arms, as it would stop us pursuing our own trade policy.
Even though this appears to have made little difference since we have left.
Pros and cons of customs union membership
In a customs union with the EU, the UK will not be subject to the bloc’s common commercial policy — its joint trade policy. This means that although the UK would operate the same tariffs as the EU, Brussels would no longer negotiate trade agreements on the UK’s behalf and Britain will no longer be covered by the EU’s existing free trade agreements.
Brexiters say the UK would face the same problem as Turkey, which has its own customs union with the EU. They argue that Ankara in effect has to open its own market to countries around the world under EU trade deals — without automatically benefiting from reciprocal rights for its own exports.
https://www.ft.com/content/3c270db8-5622-11e9-91f9-b6515a54c5b1
Isn’t it more important to stay in the single market than a customs union?
Pro-EU advocates say remaining in the single market and in a customs union are both necessary for a frictionless border.
Each addresses different barriers to trade — duties and excise in the case of the customs union, product and health standards for the single market.
For Northern Ireland, for example, the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health said on Wednesday that membership of a customs union would only make a limited contribution to maintaining an invisible border with the Republic. “It is the UK’s current membership of the single market that harmonises safety and quality standards with the rest of the EU, the institute said.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/disbelief-us-uk-trade-deals-110003042.html
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/careful-what-you-wish-for-brexit-supporting-farmers-demand-universal-basic-income-amid-crisis/ss-BB1p74mW?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=5d7b987a0b714c199062b7cd5fb1157a&ei=62
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/european-companies-signing-more-than-42-billion-worth-of-deals-in-egypt-von-der-leyen/ar-BB1p6To1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=6c8fbbf28f4a4c19be0eae047a6dbbe6&ei=22#fullscreen
Were they the same Farmers who campaigned for us to join the EU. Then campaigned for us to leave the EU. And are still moaning?
In shock news, Farmers no longer receive massive subsidies from an Organisation they insisted we leave.
How many other sectors would love to receive the sort of massive subsidies given to Farmers?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/brexit-ripped-my-european-citizenship-away-now-i-can-t-vote-in-the-uk-either/ar-BB1pkIsA?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=ed410d14d00240ecbbc0304089af53a2&ei=146#fullscreen
People who are abroad for work yes, but otherwise no.
I suspect that this will anger the EU loving types but why should you have a say in the governing of somewhere you chose not to live in.
Shut up you yawn.