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'Our search party found the girls before the police
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/family-criticise-police-search-as-tributes-pour-in-for-three-killed-in-cardiff-crash/ar-AA18ho5h
Cardiff car crash victims lay undiscovered for almost two days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5jO9MFTG6Y
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/tributes-to-three-dead-in-car-crash-what-we-know-about-tragic-deaths-of-young-people-last-seen-on-night-out/ar-AA18gCqS
Questions grow over why it took officers 48 hours to find five young revellers involved in
Questions continue to be asked over why it took police nearly two days to find five young people who were involved in a car crash after a night out that left three of them dead. The bodies of Eve Smith, 21, Darcy Ross, 21, and Rafel Jeanne, 24, were pulled from the wreckage of a car in St Mellons, Cardiff on Monday morning – 46 hours after they were last seen. Sophie Russon, 20, and Shane Loughlin, 32, were found alive, having spent two days critically injured next to their dead friends (top, together). As they fought for their lives in hospital last night, Ms Russon's mother told how she had spent two days driving around South Wales frantically searching for her daughter after, she claimed, police told her to 'stop calling'. Anna Certowicz, 41, said she drove past the site where the white VW Tiguan (bottom) was found three times in her desperate hunt, passing within 20 yards of the SUV that was hidden by trees (top right). Meanwhile, other volunteers who had joined the search for the missing five have said the fact a dogwalker found the wreckage before police 'speaks volumes.' South Wales Police and Gwent Police have since referred the matter to the Independent Office For Police conduct.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11828185/Questions-grow-took-officers-48-hours-five-young-revellers-involved-crash.html
A rag that took years working out that Adolf Hitler wasn't a very nice man. That manages to be both extreme Right Wing and anti-police at the same time.
I get that families want to blame someone, anyone, in sad situations like this. Just not that this vile rag wants to do the same.
1 of the families says she was searching non-stop, passed within 20 yards of the car, and didn't see anything. Yet believes the police should.
It is no surprise that the car was found by a dog walker. That's the most common way of discovering things like this. Simply because there are millions of dogs, and millions of dog-walkers, going on different routes every day. With massively more reach than any police force could ever have.
The fault in relation to this crash almost certainly lies with the driver. It had been a long evening. Could be drink/drugs. Could be tiredness. Could be driver error. It's possible the fault lay with 1 of the passengers or another driver.
But people really need to stop trying to blame the police for every thing that happens outside their control.
100% agree @Essexphil
Was just about to type something similar, as....
"Anna Certowicz, 41, said she drove past the site where the white VW Tiguan (bottom) was found three times in her desperate hunt, passing within 20 yards of the SUV that was hidden by trees"
It's not as easy as armchair critics would have us believe, as Ms Certowicz herself proves.
We have become a nation of finger-pointers, where people with no expertise in a specific subject suddenly know better than people who are professionally trained.
There's plenty the Police need to do better, & that's normal in very large organisations, but in this case the lynch mob are bang out of order.
The Mail is just an easy paper to post from, and their view adds a further element to the debate.
I get your point about dog walkers, but surely you would accept that there are far more resources available to the police, than the average dog walker.
I would point to mobile phone tracking as one example.
There seems to have been a very small amount of effort and resources put into this search where you compare it to the Nicola Bulley search.
But it is the Mail's duty to look at this and report on it accurately.
So-for example-I can quite understand that she stated that "my daughter doesn't go out on 3 day benders". Police didn't think so either. That is precisely why they deployed a lot of resources, including the helicopter. Whereas Ms C believes that the police should be spending massive resources within 12 hours. Has she any idea quite how many parents want to know where their daughter is from last night? And, while I understand any parent ringing 10 times a day, that is going to take up resources. The risk, and the use of resources, increases over time.
In any event, the police helicopter passed directly overhead, and were unable to spot the car. That is a dense set of trees, there.
On the subject of police helicopters, here is a report on that particular helicopter. Showing that-in 2006-it cost £19 per minute to run.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-helicopter-costs-19-a-minute-run-2335279#
Suppose that is now £50 per minute. That is £3,000 per hour. That is an expensive, scarce resource. It is only going to be used when it is clearly a high priority. Which is exactly what happened here.
There are 12.5 million dogs in the UK, most of which get out once or more every day. As opposed to 123,000 policemen, many of which apparently do not.
Mobile phone tracking? Do you seriously believe both the police and the families didn't try that first? Without wishing to sound obvious, an RTA where there are 3 deaths and 2 critical is likely to cause a lot of damage to the phones. It was a long car journey-I am sure that certain mobile info (plus the CCTV at the garage) narrowed that down considerably. But only to what would still be a very large area. Because there were police, a helicopter, and 200 volunteers searching for a long time.
None of which should be blamed.
People need to accept that sometimes, even when everything is done correctly, bad things happen.
Unless you want to start your own conspiracy thread
In 2020, Dyfed Powys police estimated the total cost of running a police helicopter at £17,000 per hour.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1286590/uk-lockdown-Wales-question-police-cost-npas-helicopter-patrolling-welsh-border
I'm glad that, in these times of relentless cuts, we still deploy helicopters.
Matthew Pace, 45, and son Lewis, 26, were searching for the missing group of friends in Cardiff when they spotted tyre tracks across grass at a roundabout.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11831023/Man-best-friend-dead-Cardiff-car-crash-slams-police-missed-wreckage.html
This father and son say they had only been looking for 15 minutes. Why not search for your best friend before then?
Thought it was a "woman with a dog" who found the car. If it was these 2, why were the police and helicopter there instantly?
The key to this tragic accident is the driver of the car.
And am I the only 1 who thinks it a bit sad to show people who have just died in those pictures?
Haysie likes showing dead people, remember all the "anti-vaxxers" he delighted in posting about, when apparently their last words were "i wish i had got the jab"
I'm not knocking @HAYSIE for this. It just beats me why a newspaper would show pictures such as see-through dresses of people who have just died. It's a bit creepy.
I only saw the front page article which I posted, rather than the full article available off the link.
I often post articles that I think will get debated, without personally taking a view.
Although in this case I do wonder about a number of things.
Dont helicopters search using thermal imaging, and therefore not have to actually see the car?
I have seen the police trace many car journeys from start to finish using the various cameras that are available, on numerous TV documentaries.
I have also seen them pinpoint someones location using mobile phone technology.
Whilst I appreciate a phone could be damaged in the crash, modern phones are far more durable than they used to be, and it is probably unlikely that all their phones were completely damaged.
The fact that they established the garage stop shows had carried out ANPR search. But there is a lot more ANPR info in big cities and motorways, rather than rural areas. It would be unlikely to be practical to carry out thermal imaging over, say, a 30 square mile area. In TV shows the parameters tend to be much, much, smaller
Mobile technology only narrows a search. And this was clearly a big crash. A high speed off-road impact into a tree often means that a driver has fallen asleep/had a medical episode at the wheel
I think we can safely assume that, in these times, the Police do the cheap stuff before the expensive deployment of helicopters, etc.
At some stage, the relatives of the deceased/the injured will change their approach. Because they will follow the money...