"And am I the only 1 who thinks it a bit sad to show people who have just died in those pictures"?
Haysie likes showing dead people, remember all the "anti-vaxxers" he delighted in posting about, when apparently their last words were "i wish i had got the jab"
I remember the shock when 1 of them was an old friend of mine (an anti-vaxxer, not these car crash victims).
I'm not knocking @HAYSIE for this. It just beats me why a newspaper would show pictures such as see-through dresses of people who have just died. It's a bit creepy.
I didnt see the photos. I only saw the front page article which I posted, rather than the full article available off the link. I often post articles that I think will get debated, without personally taking a view. Although in this case I do wonder about a number of things. Dont helicopters search using thermal imaging, and therefore not have to actually see the car? I have seen the police trace many car journeys from start to finish using the various cameras that are available, on numerous TV documentaries. I have also seen them pinpoint someones location using mobile phone technology. Whilst I appreciate a phone could be damaged in the crash, modern phones are far more durable than they used to be, and it is probably unlikely that all their phones were completely damaged.
Tv is not real life.
The fact that they established the garage stop shows had carried out ANPR search. But there is a lot more ANPR info in big cities and motorways, rather than rural areas. It would be unlikely to be practical to carry out thermal imaging over, say, a 30 square mile area. In TV shows the parameters tend to be much, much, smaller
Mobile technology only narrows a search. And this was clearly a big crash. A high speed off-road impact into a tree often means that a driver has fallen asleep/had a medical episode at the wheel
I think we can safely assume that, in these times, the Police do the cheap stuff before the expensive deployment of helicopters, etc.
At some stage, the relatives of the deceased/the injured will change their approach. Because they will follow the money...
Family and friends were desperately concerned over the weekend and had made several appeals for help in finding the five. They had contacted police who said the three missing women had travelled to Llanedeyrn from Porthcawl in a VW Tiguan, registration number VE64 YLB, with two men.
Police believe the car was involved in a road traffic collision and came off the A48. It is the main road that leads from Llanedeyrn to Newport where the missing women lived.
"And am I the only 1 who thinks it a bit sad to show people who have just died in those pictures"?
Haysie likes showing dead people, remember all the "anti-vaxxers" he delighted in posting about, when apparently their last words were "i wish i had got the jab"
I remember the shock when 1 of them was an old friend of mine (an anti-vaxxer, not these car crash victims).
I'm not knocking @HAYSIE for this. It just beats me why a newspaper would show pictures such as see-through dresses of people who have just died. It's a bit creepy.
I didnt see the photos. I only saw the front page article which I posted, rather than the full article available off the link. I often post articles that I think will get debated, without personally taking a view. Although in this case I do wonder about a number of things. Dont helicopters search using thermal imaging, and therefore not have to actually see the car? I have seen the police trace many car journeys from start to finish using the various cameras that are available, on numerous TV documentaries. I have also seen them pinpoint someones location using mobile phone technology. Whilst I appreciate a phone could be damaged in the crash, modern phones are far more durable than they used to be, and it is probably unlikely that all their phones were completely damaged.
Tv is not real life.
The fact that they established the garage stop shows had carried out ANPR search. But there is a lot more ANPR info in big cities and motorways, rather than rural areas. It would be unlikely to be practical to carry out thermal imaging over, say, a 30 square mile area. In TV shows the parameters tend to be much, much, smaller
Mobile technology only narrows a search. And this was clearly a big crash. A high speed off-road impact into a tree often means that a driver has fallen asleep/had a medical episode at the wheel
I think we can safely assume that, in these times, the Police do the cheap stuff before the expensive deployment of helicopters, etc.
At some stage, the relatives of the deceased/the injured will change their approach. Because they will follow the money...
Family and friends were desperately concerned over the weekend and had made several appeals for help in finding the five. They had contacted police who said the three missing women had travelled to Llanedeyrn from Porthcawl in a VW Tiguan, registration number VE64 YLB, with two men.
Police believe the car was involved in a road traffic collision and came off the A48. It is the main road that leads from Llanedeyrn to Newport where the missing women lived.
"And am I the only 1 who thinks it a bit sad to show people who have just died in those pictures"?
Haysie likes showing dead people, remember all the "anti-vaxxers" he delighted in posting about, when apparently their last words were "i wish i had got the jab"
I remember the shock when 1 of them was an old friend of mine (an anti-vaxxer, not these car crash victims).
I'm not knocking @HAYSIE for this. It just beats me why a newspaper would show pictures such as see-through dresses of people who have just died. It's a bit creepy.
I didnt see the photos. I only saw the front page article which I posted, rather than the full article available off the link. I often post articles that I think will get debated, without personally taking a view. Although in this case I do wonder about a number of things. Dont helicopters search using thermal imaging, and therefore not have to actually see the car? I have seen the police trace many car journeys from start to finish using the various cameras that are available, on numerous TV documentaries. I have also seen them pinpoint someones location using mobile phone technology. Whilst I appreciate a phone could be damaged in the crash, modern phones are far more durable than they used to be, and it is probably unlikely that all their phones were completely damaged.
Tv is not real life.
The fact that they established the garage stop shows had carried out ANPR search. But there is a lot more ANPR info in big cities and motorways, rather than rural areas. It would be unlikely to be practical to carry out thermal imaging over, say, a 30 square mile area. In TV shows the parameters tend to be much, much, smaller
Mobile technology only narrows a search. And this was clearly a big crash. A high speed off-road impact into a tree often means that a driver has fallen asleep/had a medical episode at the wheel
I think we can safely assume that, in these times, the Police do the cheap stuff before the expensive deployment of helicopters, etc.
At some stage, the relatives of the deceased/the injured will change their approach. Because they will follow the money...
Family and friends were desperately concerned over the weekend and had made several appeals for help in finding the five. They had contacted police who said the three missing women had travelled to Llanedeyrn from Porthcawl in a VW Tiguan, registration number VE64 YLB, with two men.
Police believe the car was involved in a road traffic collision and came off the A48. It is the main road that leads from Llanedeyrn to Newport where the missing women lived.
My Car has Emergency Alert in the event of Accident provided you have phone in the car. Don't know what triggers response unless it's the AirBag or shock sensor. I take it their car did not have tracking system in it.
Thermal Imaging needs heat source, with the cold nights engine would go cold quickly. Trees and car roof would stop heat from remaining persons being monitored from Helicopter flying above.
Time and Police report will tell if they were forced off the road plus Coroner findings will establish if finding them sooner would have saved lives...... families devastated.
"And am I the only 1 who thinks it a bit sad to show people who have just died in those pictures"?
Haysie likes showing dead people, remember all the "anti-vaxxers" he delighted in posting about, when apparently their last words were "i wish i had got the jab"
I remember the shock when 1 of them was an old friend of mine (an anti-vaxxer, not these car crash victims).
I'm not knocking @HAYSIE for this. It just beats me why a newspaper would show pictures such as see-through dresses of people who have just died. It's a bit creepy.
I didnt see the photos. I only saw the front page article which I posted, rather than the full article available off the link. I often post articles that I think will get debated, without personally taking a view. Although in this case I do wonder about a number of things. Dont helicopters search using thermal imaging, and therefore not have to actually see the car? I have seen the police trace many car journeys from start to finish using the various cameras that are available, on numerous TV documentaries. I have also seen them pinpoint someones location using mobile phone technology. Whilst I appreciate a phone could be damaged in the crash, modern phones are far more durable than they used to be, and it is probably unlikely that all their phones were completely damaged.
Tv is not real life.
The fact that they established the garage stop shows had carried out ANPR search. But there is a lot more ANPR info in big cities and motorways, rather than rural areas. It would be unlikely to be practical to carry out thermal imaging over, say, a 30 square mile area. In TV shows the parameters tend to be much, much, smaller
Mobile technology only narrows a search. And this was clearly a big crash. A high speed off-road impact into a tree often means that a driver has fallen asleep/had a medical episode at the wheel
I think we can safely assume that, in these times, the Police do the cheap stuff before the expensive deployment of helicopters, etc.
At some stage, the relatives of the deceased/the injured will change their approach. Because they will follow the money...
Family and friends were desperately concerned over the weekend and had made several appeals for help in finding the five. They had contacted police who said the three missing women had travelled to Llanedeyrn from Porthcawl in a VW Tiguan, registration number VE64 YLB, with two men.
Police believe the car was involved in a road traffic collision and came off the A48. It is the main road that leads from Llanedeyrn to Newport where the missing women lived.
Just to get some perspective Llanedeyrn to Newport is 10 miles.
Just to get some perspective, the car had left the main road, and the police did not know where. The 200-ish people searching didn't know either.
And 10 miles x 3 miles (a mile and a half either side) is 30 square miles.
As you said earlier the technology can be used to pin point the search area. They traced the car to Llanedeyrn at 2am. You can therefore assume that they knew in which direction the car was travelling. They were on the main road to Newport, and that was where the girls lived. Logically that would seem to be a good place to start. If you were deploying a helicopter, you would surely search any wooded areas on the direct route to Newport, using thermal imaging.
Woman, 20, fighting for her life is 'unrecognisable' after being suspended in wreck for 2 days after horror crash which killed three
Sophie's mum has remained by her side in hospital, where the 20-year-old remains in a critical condition, reports the Mirror. The bank worker suffered a fractured skull and bleed to the brain, as well as breaking her neck and spine, mum Anna Cerowicz told The Sun.
It was on a main road, next to a roundabout and opposite a garden centre. It doesn’t make sense. When I got to the scene of the crash there were 40 officers there. Where were they on Saturday when I first reported Sophie missing?”
Both South Wales and Gwent Police have referred the case onto the Independent Office of Police Conduct. Questions have been raised as to why it took so long for the car to be found
Don't fully understand why police are searching for the 6th passenger if he had got out of the car before the crash.
I presume he did not come forward either because that vehicle was the 5-seater version, or he was worried about being questioned about possible illicit activities. But, while he was under no legal duty to come forward, fact remains that his failure to do so contributed to the delay.
Meanwhile, people try and blame the police. While the 6th passenger never came forward. And (according to the Police) no other vehicle believed to be involved in the crash. Which makes it very likely the driver was either asleep or unconscious at the point of impact.
Don't fully understand why police are searching for the 6th passenger if he had got out of the car before the crash.
I presume he did not come forward either because that vehicle was the 5-seater version, or he was worried about being questioned about possible illicit activities. But, while he was under no legal duty to come forward, fact remains that his failure to do so contributed to the delay.
Meanwhile, people try and blame the police. While the 6th passenger never came forward. And (according to the Police) no other vehicle believed to be involved in the crash. Which makes it very likely the driver was either asleep or unconscious at the point of impact.
Cars are very well-built these days. For 3 occupants to be killed, with no other vehicle involved, one can't help but wonder what speed the vehicle was travelling at.
It's non-stop criticism of the Police, but there are two sides to this tragic story, & we are only hearing one side.
Don't fully understand why police are searching for the 6th passenger if he had got out of the car before the crash.
I presume he did not come forward either because that vehicle was the 5-seater version, or he was worried about being questioned about possible illicit activities. But, while he was under no legal duty to come forward, fact remains that his failure to do so contributed to the delay.
Meanwhile, people try and blame the police. While the 6th passenger never came forward. And (according to the Police) no other vehicle believed to be involved in the crash. Which makes it very likely the driver was either asleep or unconscious at the point of impact.
Cars are very well-built these days. For 3 occupants to be killed, with no other vehicle involved, one can't help but wonder what speed the vehicle was travelling at.
It's non-stop criticism of the Police, but there are two sides to this tragic story, & we are only hearing one side.
Speed is bound to be a factor. Sad to say, but things will likely change once the passengers/their families take legal advice.
Passengers have a far easier claim against the Driver than against the Police. It will be easier to prove Negligence, easier to prove that Negligence caused the loss, and Motor Insurers have unlimited liability in terms of money. In practice, it is normal to sue the driver, and leave it to his Insurers whether they want to try and claim Contributory Negligence against either the passengers or the Police.
If (and I do mean if) the passengers willingly got into a car knowing the driver was unfit to drive, that does not prevent them making a claim. Will probably only reduce pay out by about 20-25%.
Strangely, claims are a lot higher for people who are seriously injured than the fatalities.
My Car has Emergency Alert in the event of Accident provided you have phone in the car. Don't know what triggers response unless it's the AirBag or shock sensor. I take it their car did not have tracking system in it.
Thermal Imaging needs heat source, with the cold nights engine would go cold quickly. Trees and car roof would stop heat from remaining persons being monitored from Helicopter flying above.
Time and Police report will tell if they were forced off the road plus Coroner findings will establish if finding them sooner would have saved lives...... families devastated.
My Car has Emergency Alert in the event of Accident provided you have phone in the car. Don't know what triggers response unless it's the AirBag or shock sensor. I take it their car did not have tracking system in it.
Thermal Imaging needs heat source, with the cold nights engine would go cold quickly. Trees and car roof would stop heat from remaining persons being monitored from Helicopter flying above.
Time and Police report will tell if they were forced off the road plus Coroner findings will establish if finding them sooner would have saved lives...... families devastated.
The bodies were a heat source.
The Engine was the main heat but stopped running five bodies were heat source but after twenty or so hours that diminishes with the cold. The Wooded area was surely a factor in blocking any heat from the two still alive. Sure that the Police were out looking not in the pub having a beer. fwiw
My Car has Emergency Alert in the event of Accident provided you have phone in the car. Don't know what triggers response unless it's the AirBag or shock sensor. I take it their car did not have tracking system in it.
Thermal Imaging needs heat source, with the cold nights engine would go cold quickly. Trees and car roof would stop heat from remaining persons being monitored from Helicopter flying above.
Time and Police report will tell if they were forced off the road plus Coroner findings will establish if finding them sooner would have saved lives...... families devastated.
The bodies were a heat source.
The Engine was the main heat but stopped running five bodies were heat source but after twenty or so hours that diminishes with the cold. The Wooded area was surely a factor in blocking any heat from the two still alive. Sure that the Police were out looking not in the pub having a beer. fwiw
I am getting bored with this argument now. I dont have any inside knowledge, or any expertise. The police picked up the location of the car at 2 am. I think it fair to assume that they were heading for Newport, where the girls lived. Or to retrieve one of the girls cars, which had been left in Newport. They were found on the main road to Newport. It was unlikely that there was much traffic about at that time in the morning. It would therefore probably have been possible for them to have been involved in an accident which remained unreported, and the car could have been somewhere along the route. You would have thought that an immediate search would have been carried out using vehicles, and searched the route that they would have taken. If you were intending to deploy a helicopter, then surely it would have been used to search the less obvious areas along the route. People are spottable in houses using thermal imaging, through windows, rather than walls.
This was an absolute tragedy. Three deaths and some horrific injuries. Two forces have reported themselves to the IOPC. So we should probably reserve judgement until the investigation is completed. I hope that the police carried out an efficient, and professional investigation. They have come in for a lot of criticism lately.
Why would they need to have 40 officers at the scene, after the car had been found?
I read an article a couple of years ago regarding rapes. 1.5% of rape cases result in a charge. Thats a charge, not a conviction. At the time a couple of rape cases that had resulted in a charge, had collapsed in court, at a huge cost to the taxpayer. One of the cases collapsed after the defence pointed out that friendly communications had continued after the alleged rape was supposed to have taken place. Thats not to say that no rape took place, but the fact that they were communicating in a friendly manner subsequently, was likely to have swayed the jury. The police were left a bit red faced. Although their response seemed to be that nobody had told them that they had to search peoples phones.
There is so much technology available these days, but our institutions dont seem very good at keeping up with it. The NHS was the worlds biggest purchaser of fax machines, until the other day. I hope that in this case they did their jobs. Rather than claiming that they could have found them quicker, but for the fact that the bloke they usually phone for mobile phone data at Vodafone wasnt in until Monday.
'I will forever cherish that hug': Heartbroken ex-girlfriend shares moment she embraced Cardiff crash victim for final time - as sixth passenger who left vehicle before fatal smash is pictured
The heartbroken ex-girlfriend of one of the three people killed in a horror car crash in South Wales has shared video of the moment she embraced one of the victims for the final time. Charleigh Glanville released the footage of her last hug with Rafel Jeanne, 23, with the pair exiting the very car he would die inside in a crash on the A48 on the outskirts of Cardiff last week. In an online tribute, she said: 'The night before you lost your life. I will forever cherish that hug. RIP my friend. Never did I ever imagine I'd be saying this. Even though we had more than a friendship at one stage I'm so glad that I can say we remained friends no matter the situation and I'm so glad that after a whole year I got to see you the night before you lost your life. It really is true when they say the good die young. You will truly be missed.' Mr Jeanne was found dead alongside Eve Smith and Darcy Ross, both 21, inside the wreckage of the VW Tiguan after a two-day search by their families, friends and emergency services. Passengers Shane Loughlin, 32, and Sophie Russon, 20, were cut from the wreckage and remain seriously injured in hospital. The sixth passenger in the vehicle, who escaped the crash after being dropped off shortly before the car left the road, was Joel Lia, 27.
"And am I the only 1 who thinks it a bit sad to show people who have just died in those pictures"?
Haysie likes showing dead people, remember all the "anti-vaxxers" he delighted in posting about, when apparently their last words were "i wish i had got the jab"
I remember the shock when 1 of them was an old friend of mine (an anti-vaxxer, not these car crash victims).
I'm not knocking @HAYSIE for this. It just beats me why a newspaper would show pictures such as see-through dresses of people who have just died. It's a bit creepy.
I didnt see the photos. I only saw the front page article which I posted, rather than the full article available off the link. I often post articles that I think will get debated, without personally taking a view. Although in this case I do wonder about a number of things. Dont helicopters search using thermal imaging, and therefore not have to actually see the car? I have seen the police trace many car journeys from start to finish using the various cameras that are available, on numerous TV documentaries. I have also seen them pinpoint someones location using mobile phone technology. Whilst I appreciate a phone could be damaged in the crash, modern phones are far more durable than they used to be, and it is probably unlikely that all their phones were completely damaged.
Tv is not real life.
The fact that they established the garage stop shows had carried out ANPR search. But there is a lot more ANPR info in big cities and motorways, rather than rural areas. It would be unlikely to be practical to carry out thermal imaging over, say, a 30 square mile area. In TV shows the parameters tend to be much, much, smaller
Mobile technology only narrows a search. And this was clearly a big crash. A high speed off-road impact into a tree often means that a driver has fallen asleep/had a medical episode at the wheel
I think we can safely assume that, in these times, the Police do the cheap stuff before the expensive deployment of helicopters, etc.
At some stage, the relatives of the deceased/the injured will change their approach. Because they will follow the money...
Family and friends were desperately concerned over the weekend and had made several appeals for help in finding the five. They had contacted police who said the three missing women had travelled to Llanedeyrn from Porthcawl in a VW Tiguan, registration number VE64 YLB, with two men.
Police believe the car was involved in a road traffic collision and came off the A48. It is the main road that leads from Llanedeyrn to Newport where the missing women lived.
Just to get some perspective Llanedeyrn to Newport is 10 miles.
Just to get some perspective, the car had left the main road, and the police did not know where. The 200-ish people searching didn't know either.
And 10 miles x 3 miles (a mile and a half either side) is 30 square miles.
'I'm gutted, I can't believe it': Survivor of Cardiff car crash who spent two days clinging to life in wrecked vehicle releases first statement from hospital bed in tribute to his dead friends Shane Loughlin, 32, seriously injured in the Cardiff car crash that killed three He said he 'can't believe' what happened and is 'gutted' after finding out
They are then thought to have driven 36 miles to Trecco Bay caravan park in Porthcawl, where Mr Loughlin's family had a caravan, but left after an argument, it was claimed.
They travelled 28 miles back to Cardiff, where they are said to have dropped off a sixth member of the group.
They were last seen in the car at 2am on Saturday in CCTV footage taken at a petrol station in the Pentwyn area of Cardiff, not far from the crash site.
Her mother Anna Certowicz, 41, stayed by her daughter's side and alleged that 'policemen on foot had searched the area but didn't find anything' prior to the discovery of the wreckage on Monday.
They are then thought to have driven 36 miles to Trecco Bay caravan park in Porthcawl, where Mr Loughlin's family had a caravan, but left after an argument, it was claimed.
They travelled 28 miles back to Cardiff, where they are said to have dropped off a sixth member of the group.
They were last seen in the car at 2am on Saturday in CCTV footage taken at a petrol station in the Pentwyn area of Cardiff, not far from the crash site.
Ms Certowicz said police did not take her seriously when she contacted them numerous times from Saturday lunchtime.
Yesterday Lewis Pace, 26, who found the car involved in the crash, slammed police for not acting quickly enough – as he revealed he was best friends with one of the victims.
The 26-year-old and his father Matthew, 45, were searching for the missing group of five when they spotted tyre tracks across the grass at a roundabout.
They investigated and found the white Volkswagen Tiguan wedged behind trees.
Lewis said police were searching 'literally next' to where the vehicle was, so he is unsure why it was not found sooner.
'When I saw them skid marks, obviously I was praying that it was nothing to do with it and it turns out it was, but the police were searching literally next to where we found it and anyway the helicopter was in the sky, so I don't know how it wasn't found quicker,' he said.
He said a policewoman arrived 'about a minute later' and Matthew pointed her towards a thicket of trees that has since been cut away with saws.
He said: 'I pulled up, I was in the field, in the woods and then she pulled up behind me,' he said.
'She was asking why I was there, and I said: "There's all tyre marks here" and then her colleague came out, looked at the tyre marks and they got the helicopter to search in this bush and that's when it was confirmed it was there.'
The police watchdog is now inspecting both South Wales Police and Gwent Police amid questions about the speed of their response.
A missing person report was filed with Gwent Police at around 9pm on Saturday, the Daily Telegraph reported.
Yet an official appeal was not issued until just after 11pm on Sunday – more than a day later.
Mr Jeanne is the son of former Queens Park Rangers footballer Leon Jeanne, 42.
Meanwhile, Ms Smith tragically lost her sister Xana was killed in a car crash in January 2015.
Sakhawat Ali, then 23, who was high on cocaine and cannabis and twice the drink-drive limit, had given Xana a lift home from a party.
She was a passenger when they flipped over at 60mph in January 2015.
Eve and Xana's stepfather is Tony Borg, a former boxer who trained Welsh Olympic medal-winning boxers and world champion Lee Selby.
My Car has Emergency Alert in the event of Accident provided you have phone in the car. Don't know what triggers response unless it's the AirBag or shock sensor. I take it their car did not have tracking system in it.
Thermal Imaging needs heat source, with the cold nights engine would go cold quickly. Trees and car roof would stop heat from remaining persons being monitored from Helicopter flying above.
Time and Police report will tell if they were forced off the road plus Coroner findings will establish if finding them sooner would have saved lives...... families devastated.
The bodies were a heat source.
The Engine was the main heat but stopped running five bodies were heat source but after twenty or so hours that diminishes with the cold. The Wooded area was surely a factor in blocking any heat from the two still alive. Sure that the Police were out looking not in the pub having a beer. fwiw
they got the helicopter to search in this bush and that's when it was confirmed it was there.'
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Police believe the car was involved in a road traffic collision and came off the A48. It is the main road that leads from Llanedeyrn to Newport where the missing women lived.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/tributes-to-three-dead-in-car-crash-what-we-know-about-tragic-deaths-of-young-people-last-seen-on-night-out/ar-AA18gCqS
And 10 miles x 3 miles (a mile and a half either side) is 30 square miles.
Don't know what triggers response unless it's the AirBag or shock sensor.
I take it their car did not have tracking system in it.
Thermal Imaging needs heat source, with the cold nights engine would go cold quickly.
Trees and car roof would stop heat from remaining persons being monitored from Helicopter flying above.
Time and Police report will tell if they were forced off the road plus Coroner findings will establish if finding them sooner would have saved lives...... families devastated.
They traced the car to Llanedeyrn at 2am.
You can therefore assume that they knew in which direction the car was travelling.
They were on the main road to Newport, and that was where the girls lived.
Logically that would seem to be a good place to start.
If you were deploying a helicopter, you would surely search any wooded areas on the direct route to Newport, using thermal imaging.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/search-for-sixth-passenger-who-left-car-shortly-before-cardiff-horror-crash/ar-AA18nQjZ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=004408af45754905a1dae33f4b6216e0&ei=45
Sophie's mum has remained by her side in hospital, where the 20-year-old remains in a critical condition, reports the Mirror. The bank worker suffered a fractured skull and bleed to the brain, as well as breaking her neck and spine, mum Anna Cerowicz told The Sun.
It was on a main road, next to a roundabout and opposite a garden centre. It doesn’t make sense. When I got to the scene of the crash there were 40 officers there. Where were they on Saturday when I first reported Sophie missing?”
Both South Wales and Gwent Police have referred the case onto the Independent Office of Police Conduct. Questions have been raised as to why it took so long for the car to be found
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/woman-20-fighting-for-her-life-is-unrecognisable-after-being-suspended-in-wreck-for-2-days-after-horror-crash-which-killed-three/ar-AA18m6e2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f61251fdc772414689a9e17035b1a9e5&ei=35
I presume he did not come forward either because that vehicle was the 5-seater version, or he was worried about being questioned about possible illicit activities. But, while he was under no legal duty to come forward, fact remains that his failure to do so contributed to the delay.
Meanwhile, people try and blame the police. While the 6th passenger never came forward. And (according to the Police) no other vehicle believed to be involved in the crash. Which makes it very likely the driver was either asleep or unconscious at the point of impact.
@Essexphil
Or possibly some other, as yet undefined reasons.
Cars are very well-built these days. For 3 occupants to be killed, with no other vehicle involved, one can't help but wonder what speed the vehicle was travelling at.
It's non-stop criticism of the Police, but there are two sides to this tragic story, & we are only hearing one side.
Speed is bound to be a factor. Sad to say, but things will likely change once the passengers/their families take legal advice.
Passengers have a far easier claim against the Driver than against the Police. It will be easier to prove Negligence, easier to prove that Negligence caused the loss, and Motor Insurers have unlimited liability in terms of money. In practice, it is normal to sue the driver, and leave it to his Insurers whether they want to try and claim Contributory Negligence against either the passengers or the Police.
If (and I do mean if) the passengers willingly got into a car knowing the driver was unfit to drive, that does not prevent them making a claim. Will probably only reduce pay out by about 20-25%.
Strangely, claims are a lot higher for people who are seriously injured than the fatalities.
I dont have any inside knowledge, or any expertise.
The police picked up the location of the car at 2 am.
I think it fair to assume that they were heading for Newport, where the girls lived.
Or to retrieve one of the girls cars, which had been left in Newport.
They were found on the main road to Newport.
It was unlikely that there was much traffic about at that time in the morning.
It would therefore probably have been possible for them to have been involved in an accident which remained unreported, and the car could have been somewhere along the route.
You would have thought that an immediate search would have been carried out using vehicles, and searched the route that they would have taken.
If you were intending to deploy a helicopter, then surely it would have been used to search the less obvious areas along the route.
People are spottable in houses using thermal imaging, through windows, rather than walls.
This was an absolute tragedy.
Three deaths and some horrific injuries.
Two forces have reported themselves to the IOPC.
So we should probably reserve judgement until the investigation is completed.
I hope that the police carried out an efficient, and professional investigation.
They have come in for a lot of criticism lately.
Why would they need to have 40 officers at the scene, after the car had been found?
I read an article a couple of years ago regarding rapes.
1.5% of rape cases result in a charge.
Thats a charge, not a conviction.
At the time a couple of rape cases that had resulted in a charge, had collapsed in court, at a huge cost to the taxpayer.
One of the cases collapsed after the defence pointed out that friendly communications had continued after the alleged rape was supposed to have taken place.
Thats not to say that no rape took place, but the fact that they were communicating in a friendly manner subsequently, was likely to have swayed the jury.
The police were left a bit red faced.
Although their response seemed to be that nobody had told them that they had to search peoples phones.
There is so much technology available these days, but our institutions dont seem very good at keeping up with it.
The NHS was the worlds biggest purchaser of fax machines, until the other day.
I hope that in this case they did their jobs.
Rather than claiming that they could have found them quicker, but for the fact that the bloke they usually phone for mobile phone data at Vodafone wasnt in until Monday.
https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2023/03/09/7947444740917213803/636x382_MP4_7947444740917213803.mp4
The heartbroken ex-girlfriend of one of the three people killed in a horror car crash in South Wales has shared video of the moment she embraced one of the victims for the final time. Charleigh Glanville released the footage of her last hug with Rafel Jeanne, 23, with the pair exiting the very car he would die inside in a crash on the A48 on the outskirts of Cardiff last week. In an online tribute, she said: 'The night before you lost your life. I will forever cherish that hug. RIP my friend. Never did I ever imagine I'd be saying this. Even though we had more than a friendship at one stage I'm so glad that I can say we remained friends no matter the situation and I'm so glad that after a whole year I got to see you the night before you lost your life. It really is true when they say the good die young. You will truly be missed.' Mr Jeanne was found dead alongside Eve Smith and Darcy Ross, both 21, inside the wreckage of the VW Tiguan after a two-day search by their families, friends and emergency services. Passengers Shane Loughlin, 32, and Sophie Russon, 20, were cut from the wreckage and remain seriously injured in hospital. The sixth passenger in the vehicle, who escaped the crash after being dropped off shortly before the car left the road, was Joel Lia, 27.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11840979/Heartbroken-ex-girlfriend-shares-moment-embraced-Cardiff-crash-victim-final-time.html
Shane Loughlin, 32, seriously injured in the Cardiff car crash that killed three
He said he 'can't believe' what happened and is 'gutted' after finding out
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They are then thought to have driven 36 miles to Trecco Bay caravan park in Porthcawl, where Mr Loughlin's family had a caravan, but left after an argument, it was claimed.
They travelled 28 miles back to Cardiff, where they are said to have dropped off a sixth member of the group.
They were last seen in the car at 2am on Saturday in CCTV footage taken at a petrol station in the Pentwyn area of Cardiff, not far from the crash site.
Her mother Anna Certowicz, 41, stayed by her daughter's side and alleged that 'policemen on foot had searched the area but didn't find anything' prior to the discovery of the wreckage on Monday.
They are then thought to have driven 36 miles to Trecco Bay caravan park in Porthcawl, where Mr Loughlin's family had a caravan, but left after an argument, it was claimed.
They travelled 28 miles back to Cardiff, where they are said to have dropped off a sixth member of the group.
They were last seen in the car at 2am on Saturday in CCTV footage taken at a petrol station in the Pentwyn area of Cardiff, not far from the crash site.
Ms Certowicz said police did not take her seriously when she contacted them numerous times from Saturday lunchtime.
Yesterday Lewis Pace, 26, who found the car involved in the crash, slammed police for not acting quickly enough – as he revealed he was best friends with one of the victims.
The 26-year-old and his father Matthew, 45, were searching for the missing group of five when they spotted tyre tracks across the grass at a roundabout.
They investigated and found the white Volkswagen Tiguan wedged behind trees.
Lewis said police were searching 'literally next' to where the vehicle was, so he is unsure why it was not found sooner.
'When I saw them skid marks, obviously I was praying that it was nothing to do with it and it turns out it was, but the police were searching literally next to where we found it and anyway the helicopter was in the sky, so I don't know how it wasn't found quicker,' he said.
He said a policewoman arrived 'about a minute later' and Matthew pointed her towards a thicket of trees that has since been cut away with saws.
He said: 'I pulled up, I was in the field, in the woods and then she pulled up behind me,' he said.
'She was asking why I was there, and I said: "There's all tyre marks here" and then her colleague came out, looked at the tyre marks and they got the helicopter to search in this bush and that's when it was confirmed it was there.'
The police watchdog is now inspecting both South Wales Police and Gwent Police amid questions about the speed of their response.
A missing person report was filed with Gwent Police at around 9pm on Saturday, the Daily Telegraph reported.
Yet an official appeal was not issued until just after 11pm on Sunday – more than a day later.
Mr Jeanne is the son of former Queens Park Rangers footballer Leon Jeanne, 42.
Meanwhile, Ms Smith tragically lost her sister Xana was killed in a car crash in January 2015.
Sakhawat Ali, then 23, who was high on cocaine and cannabis and twice the drink-drive limit, had given Xana a lift home from a party.
She was a passenger when they flipped over at 60mph in January 2015.
Eve and Xana's stepfather is Tony Borg, a former boxer who trained Welsh Olympic medal-winning boxers and world champion Lee Selby.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11846349/Survivor-Cardiff-car-crash-releases-statement-hospital-tribute-dead-friends.html