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Keir Starmer’s popularity sinks in Red Wall

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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,088
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,005
    Let's break down that rather desperate Torygraph headline.

    Now, we all know that the Telegraph yearns for the good old days. When slavery was still allowed. But-and I have to break it to them-those days are gone.

    So the story is actually this. Lady had job. Then was offered what she considers to be a better job. And hands in her notice at her old job. Newspaper says that this would have gone against the rules of her old job. And, if she hadn't left her old job, she could have been in trouble at her old job.

    Forgetting that, er, she's not there any more. And that she hasn't done anything wrong.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,088
    Essexphil said:

    Let's break down that rather desperate Torygraph headline.

    Now, we all know that the Telegraph yearns for the good old days. When slavery was still allowed. But-and I have to break it to them-those days are gone.

    So the story is actually this. Lady had job. Then was offered what she considers to be a better job. And hands in her notice at her old job. Newspaper says that this would have gone against the rules of her old job. And, if she hadn't left her old job, she could have been in trouble at her old job.

    Forgetting that, er, she's not there any more. And that she hasn't done anything wrong.

    I suppose that each time we change the government, we should sack the whole of the Civil Service, and only re-employ those that are prepared to have a tattoo on their foreheads supporting the new government.
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    tai-gartai-gar Member Posts: 2,591
    Why does everyone appear to be fighting one another rather than fighting real issues in society.

    Work together and make the world a better place IMHO.
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    MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,164
    tai-gar said:

    Why does everyone appear to be fighting one another rather than fighting real issues in society.

    Work together and make the world a better place IMHO.

    IF ONLY o:)

    ........ But sadly that's never going to happen, because fighting's the 'Nature of Politics' :s

    At least it's not Russia v Ukraine which is a far worse type of fighting :#:/:'(
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,088
    Essexphil said:

    Let's break down that rather desperate Torygraph headline.

    Now, we all know that the Telegraph yearns for the good old days. When slavery was still allowed. But-and I have to break it to them-those days are gone.

    So the story is actually this. Lady had job. Then was offered what she considers to be a better job. And hands in her notice at her old job. Newspaper says that this would have gone against the rules of her old job. And, if she hadn't left her old job, she could have been in trouble at her old job.

    Forgetting that, er, she's not there any more. And that she hasn't done anything wrong.

    Foreign secretary James Cleverly mocked by BBC as he struggles to explain PM’s prices plan




    Floundering foreign secretary James Cleverly was left red faced in a bruising BBC interview when he was put on the spot over the inflation crisis.

    Challenged six times to say how Rishi Sunak planned to cut price rises, Mr Cleverly stumbled in his replies – and was at one point greeted with laughter by BBC Radio 4 interviewer Amol Rajan.

    Eventually Mr Rajan ended the interview abruptly, silencing Mr Cleverly and saying: “We’re going to the weather.”

    Their painful exchange in full
    Amol Rajan: ‘What is the PM’s plan to halve inflation?’

    James Cleverly: ‘By making sure the economy is more productive economy, through, er, training, through um, er, er, you know, apprenticeships...’

    AR: ‘That won’t bring inflation down. What is the PM planning to do about it?’

    JC: ‘You have to deal with things in the short, medium and long term.’

    AR: ‘Yes, so what is the PM’s plan?’

    JC: ‘As I, er, say, er, the, er, point is, with things like, erm, driving down the implications of, er, you know, fuel and food.’

    AR: ‘Sorry ... what is the PM’s short-term plan?’

    JC: ‘Well, one of the things we, er, one of the main vehicles for short term, er, addressing inflation is interest rates…’

    AR: ‘The PM doesn’t control that so what is his plan, what is he going to do?’

    JC: ‘Not all the levers of control are in the government’s hands…’

    AR heard laughing in the background

    JC: ‘… the choice was made to have an independent Bank of England.’

    AR (sarcastically): ‘I really appreciate the economics lesson about the decision to make the Bank of England independent in the 1990s ... What is the PM doing to get inflation down?’

    JC: ‘One of the reasons we have been thoughtful and cautious on public sector pay awards is that we knew it’s one of those things that brings inflationary pressures ... that is in stark comparison to the Labour party.’

    At this point a clearly exasperated AR tries to end the the interview.

    JC: ‘We have over many, many decades got used to large-scale, relatively low-skilled inflation [sic] – that has had a drag effect on productivity…’

    AR: ‘We have to go to the weather.’

    Tongue-tied Mr Cleverly mistakenly talked about “low-skilled inflation” harming the economy, when he meant to say “low-skilled immigration”.

    Mr Rajan became so frustrated with Mr Cleverly’s evasiveness that he sarcastically thanked him for “giving me an economics lesson”.

    Interviewed on the Today programme ahead of the Bank of England’s expected interest rate rise, Mr Rajan asked him: “What is the PM’s plan to halve inflation?”

    Mr Cleverly intially said it was about “influencing” events. He argued that helping resolve the Ukraine conflict would be “a contributory factor” in getting inflation down.

    He also said: “By making sure the economy is more productive economy, through, er, training, through um, er, er, you know, apprenticeship work...”

    The BBC host fired back: “That’s not going to bring inflation down.”




    Pressed again Mr Rajan what Mr Sunak would do about inflation in the short-term, Mr Cleverly said: “As I, er, say, er, the, er, point is, with things like, erm, driving down the implications of, et, you know, fuel and food.”

    The minister was told by the Today programme presenter that core inflation in the UK was worse that neighbouring countries, and was asked again what the government was doing about it. The cabinet minister said: “One of the main vehicles for short-term addressing of inflation is interest rates.”

    Reminded that Mr Sunak did not set interest rates – and pressed again for steps taken by government – Mr Cleverly said: “Not all the levers of control are in the government’s hands.”

    Mr Rajan could be heard laughing at the response. The BBC host thanking him for the “economics lesson” on the independence of the Bank of England, before pressing him once again for the short-term measures made by Mr Sunak.

    Mr Cleverly said the government had been “cautious on public-sector pay awards” to keep inflation down, adding: “We’re very conscious that increased government borrowing is one of those things that loops around and increases inflationary pressures.”

    Asked whether post-Brexit immigration rules could be relaxed, Mr Cleverly dismissed the idea and said longer-term measures to boost Britain’s productivity were vital.

    Mr Rajan cut off the minister and said: “Forgive me, we’ve got to go to the weather.”

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/foreign-secretary-flounders-over-inflation-085559577.html
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,088
    Sunakered: Tory Despair After Rishi's Worst Week Since The Last One


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sunakered-tory-despair-rishis-worst-230105084.html
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    Tory Party Chair Leaves Twitter Bewildered With His Attempt To Mock Keir Starmer



    Tom Peck
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    Recently someone ask me: “what has happened to Greg Hands? He was one of the normal ones.”

    I sort of think he still is. That he is so unprecedentedly terrible is to his great credit.





    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/tory-party-chair-leaves-twitter-153749800.html
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,088
    Greg Hands Gets Rinsed After Claiming Labour Would Put Everyone On The Dole



    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/greg-hands-gets-rinsed-claiming-153829608.html
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,088
    Tories face biggest walkout of MPs since 1997



    More Conservative MPs will step down at the next election than at any point since Labour’s 1997 landslide, Telegraph analysis shows amid “disillusionment” among those set to depart.

    Some 42 Tories have already announced they will depart at the next poll, which House of Commons Library data show is a higher figure than at any time since Sir Tony Blair’s victory.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/style/tories-face-biggest-walkout-mps-130951845.html
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,005
    I genuinely don't understand why this Government is trying to wreck long-term financial and moral commitments. From climate change to the membership of the ECHR.

    The next Election is looming. Tory MPs are falling over themselves in the rush to seek new careers, believing they will be out of work after the next election.

    I could understand it if this Govt was trying to provide short-term fixes to try and improve its election chances. But this sort of nonsense will just leave a legacy that no-one would ever want.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,088
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    Essexphil said:

    I genuinely don't understand why this Government is trying to wreck long-term financial and moral commitments. From climate change to the membership of the ECHR.

    The next Election is looming. Tory MPs are falling over themselves in the rush to seek new careers, believing they will be out of work after the next election.

    I could understand it if this Govt was trying to provide short-term fixes to try and improve its election chances. But this sort of nonsense will just leave a legacy that no-one would ever want.

    There was a debate on NewsNight last night about Sunaks 5 pledges.
    Fraser Nelson was adamant that he would fail on all 5, and backed this up with a reasonable explanation of why he thought he would do so.
    Ayesha Hazarika was in full agreement, probably a first.
    Yet Tim Montgomery of ConservativeHome fame, maintained that he would be successful on all five.
    He was bull sh itting on every one of them.
    He said that when Sunak said he would stop the small boats, he really meant he would reduce the number, not stop them.
    On halving inflation by the end of the year, he thought that prices would still be rising, but not as fast as they have been, and this would count as success.
    He argued that avoiding a recession, unlike a lot of economies on the continent, would count as growth, even though when pressed on this he admitted that there was unlikely to be any meaningful growth. He claimed that this was not nothing, and therefore another success.
    He claimed that Sunak would be able to say that he technically hit the debt target, this will be because there will be enough contribution into the exchequer to allow him to say that he technically hit the target.
    He said that he would he would be able to reduce some of the very long NHS waiting lists, rather than reducing the number of people on them, another win.


    Lets hope that the electorate dont fall for the Tory spin.

    Ayesha Hazarika predicted that there would be a Labour majority at the next general election, and that Tim Montgomery would receive a Peerage from Keir Starmer in recognition of this performance.
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    DoublemeDoubleme Member Posts: 1,586
    if you have any doubt that the Tories will win the next election you only have to look at the five pledges to see why that doubt is wrong.

    Halving inflation do people know what that means? because it does not mean prices go back to what they were before. it does not even mean prices go back to half way of what they were before. It does not even mean prices stay the same as they are now.

    It means the rate at which things are getting more expensive and tougher etc is halved. to put it in real terms if before someone had to work 40 hours a week but within a year they now needed to work 60 hours a week, and then someone comes and says they will half the work increase. Then this means if successful on that aim then next year they wont be working 40 hours a week again or 50 hours a week or even still 60 hours a week next year they will be working 70 hours a week.

    This is meant to be amazing this is what everyone is supposed to be super impressed if he achieves? and he has done it he has got everyone debating around that topic so if he pulls it off he will be known as some great leader and how amazing the tories are even though everyone except their rich mates are way worse off. are you kidding me!!!!!!!

    then we have grow the economy this has happened the vast majority of the time so should be a given anyway but this only means his rich mates get richer not that we get any better off? again really we give him credit for that?


    debt falling they mean reduce as a proportion of the GDP wow considering this figure is the worst since 1961 improving from here is not an accomplishment it is only working towards making things slow down in how worse things are getting again.

    on most targets they are not talking about making things better for people then they were before tories took power. They are not even talking about getting things better then they are now they are talking about slowing down the rate at which things are getting worse. And should they acheive this the media is ready to lamante Sunak as the greatest leader of all time in human history of any country ever not just from now compared to the past but of any future nation ever even if we end up surviving and spreading across the whole universe and our descendants live on for trillions of years.

    and yet people cant see that this amount of spinning the narrative suggests that it does not matter at all the results the goal posts will be moved and the electorate will say at least they are not labour.

    In case it is not obvious I do not want to see the tories winning the next election I just cannot see how they don't.
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    DoublemeDoubleme Member Posts: 1,586
    small correction silly math moment the work example they would be working 75 hours a week in that example not 70. if the increase had been 50% but was then slowed down to 25% then 25% of 60 would be 15. 15+60=75.

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