At least two people said to have declined resignation honours from Liz Truss

HAYSIE

Nadine Dorries stands down as MP with immediate effect


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/nadine-dorries-stands-down-mp-145840041.html

HAYSIE

Two Tory MPs cut from Johnson’s honours list to avoid by-elections – report



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/two-tory-mps-cut-from-johnson-s-honours-list-to-avoid-by-elections-report/ar-AA1ciXSf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a98ead93e6f14b0083faaf78744395ca&ei=53

Essexphil

Can't blame her.

Don't like the woman. But give her her due. She was loyal. Particularly to Boris. Not just loyal when it suited her. Loyal when he was desperate for friends. Loyal while everyone else was stabbing him in the back.

There was a deal in place. Boris to give her a Peerage. Her to step down at the next election. Boris to change to being the MP for her constituency which is far, far safer than his current seat.

But then there was a ruling that said if she got a peerage there would have to be a by-election now. Which wouldn't suit Sunak, who doesn't want a by-election. Or Boris, who wants to be able to stand in her constituency. An Honour is supposed to reflect on the recipient. Not the donor. But Sunak/Johnson are doing what is best for them. And effectively spitting on Dorries and her loyalty.

So she is standing down immediately, to force the by-election neither of them want. And I don't blame her.

Horrid leadership. From a horrid, disloyal Party.

Essexphil

Gets even more interesting.

Boris to stand down as MP immediately as well

Tikay10

Oh wow, now that is interesting.



"Johnson’s resignation comes the day after he received the findings of the Privileges Committee, the MP-led investigation into whether he misled Parliament over gatherings at No 10 Downing Street during the Covid lockdowns."

Tikay10

Boris resigns as an MP, & surely the final nail in Trump's political coffin.



What a great day, two complete wrong 'uns exposed, & both crying like babies, wa-wa-wa.

HAYSIE

Tikay10 said:

Boris resigns as an MP, & surely the final nail in Trump's political coffin.



What a great day, two complete wrong 'uns exposed, & both crying like babies, wa-wa-wa.

Boris is embarrassing, and delusional to the end.
Blaming everyone except the real culprit for his downfall.
Nice to see that his wifes hairdresser, and dog walker are in line for gongs.
Services to what exactly?

HAYSIE

HAYSIE

Essexphil said:

Can't blame her.

Don't like the woman. But give her her due. She was loyal. Particularly to Boris. Not just loyal when it suited her. Loyal when he was desperate for friends. Loyal while everyone else was stabbing him in the back.

There was a deal in place. Boris to give her a Peerage. Her to step down at the next election. Boris to change to being the MP for her constituency which is far, far safer than his current seat.

But then there was a ruling that said if she got a peerage there would have to be a by-election now. Which wouldn't suit Sunak, who doesn't want a by-election. Or Boris, who wants to be able to stand in her constituency. An Honour is supposed to reflect on the recipient. Not the donor. But Sunak/Johnson are doing what is best for them. And effectively spitting on Dorries and her loyalty.

So she is standing down immediately, to force the by-election neither of them want. And I don't blame her.

Horrid leadership. From a horrid, disloyal Party.

I am not sure that undying loyalty to Boris Johnson is something that should be praised.
Her decision to resign is an inconvenience for the current leader, and also the party.
Not much loyalty there.
There were reasons why he was desperate for friends.
Whether he was stabbed in the back, or they just had enough of him, is probably debatable.
His Honours List has obviously been reviewed, as there were a number of omissions.
His Dad was one.
As well as the two sitting MPs.
Although I understand that it is customary not to give gongs to sitting MPs, to avoid by-elections.
This is typical Boris.
Agreeing a deal, and not coming up with the goods.

I think her resignation was prompted by Boris telling her that he was resigning.
She has recently taken on two new jobs, and probably hasnt got time to be an MP.

I would find it impossible to disagree with the fact that the Tories are horrible.
I think that she is just another one of them.

Essexphil

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

Can't blame her.

Don't like the woman. But give her her due. She was loyal. Particularly to Boris. Not just loyal when it suited her. Loyal when he was desperate for friends. Loyal while everyone else was stabbing him in the back.

There was a deal in place. Boris to give her a Peerage. Her to step down at the next election. Boris to change to being the MP for her constituency which is far, far safer than his current seat.

But then there was a ruling that said if she got a peerage there would have to be a by-election now. Which wouldn't suit Sunak, who doesn't want a by-election. Or Boris, who wants to be able to stand in her constituency. An Honour is supposed to reflect on the recipient. Not the donor. But Sunak/Johnson are doing what is best for them. And effectively spitting on Dorries and her loyalty.

So she is standing down immediately, to force the by-election neither of them want. And I don't blame her.

Horrid leadership. From a horrid, disloyal Party.

I am not sure that undying loyalty to Boris Johnson is something that should be praised.
Her decision to resign is an inconvenience for the current leader, and also the party.
Not much loyalty there.
There were reasons why he was desperate for friends.
Whether he was stabbed in the back, or they just had enough of him, is probably debatable.
His Honours List has obviously been reviewed, as there were a number of omissions.
His Dad was one.
As well as the two sitting MPs.
Although I understand that it is customary not to give gongs to sitting MPs, to avoid by-elections.
This is typical Boris.
Agreeing a deal, and not coming up with the goods.

I think her resignation was prompted by Boris telling her that he was resigning.
She has recently taken on two new jobs, and probably hasnt got time to be an MP.

I would find it impossible to disagree with the fact that the Tories are horrible.
I think that she is just another one of them.

It goes a little deeper than that.

Firstly, I admire loyalty to ones friends. True friends stand by their friends when their friend needs them-not just when there is something in it for them. The mere fact that it is someone I don't like supporting someone else I don't like doesn't change that.

7 sitting MPs received Honours. The rest of the people who supported a duly elected PM. All the other usual suspects-Rees-Mogg, Priti Patel, Michael Fabricant. Damehoods. Knighthoods. While Dorries receives precisely nothing.

Dorries had repeated 5 hours before her resignation that she had no intention of quitting before the next election. So-what changed?

A Johnson-hater would claim that it was his resignation as MP. But the facts do not bear this out. He has deliberately not said he is quitting permanently-just that he is not being an MP "for now".

So-what has changed? There is clearly more to this. If Sunak had made it clear that she was to receive a peerage postponed until after the next election, this would not have happened. If Sunak had allowed Boris' Honours list to go ahead and had 1 or 2 by-elections, this would not have happened. If Dorries had instead received a Damehood, this would not have happened.

I don't like Boris. Fact remains that a duly elected leader's resignation honours have taken nearly a year-compare/contrast with the 1 month for Cameron. And they have clearly been altered by a sitting PM for his own political purposes.

Which goes against the whole purpose of resignation honours. Rewarding the old guard. Not propping up the new.

HAYSIE

Essexphil said:

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

Can't blame her.

Don't like the woman. But give her her due. She was loyal. Particularly to Boris. Not just loyal when it suited her. Loyal when he was desperate for friends. Loyal while everyone else was stabbing him in the back.

There was a deal in place. Boris to give her a Peerage. Her to step down at the next election. Boris to change to being the MP for her constituency which is far, far safer than his current seat.

So it was a deal, rather than a deserved a Peerage?

But then there was a ruling that said if she got a peerage there would have to be a by-election now. Which wouldn't suit Sunak, who doesn't want a by-election. Or Boris, who wants to be able to stand in her constituency. An Honour is supposed to reflect on the recipient. Not the donor. But Sunak/Johnson are doing what is best for them. And effectively spitting on Dorries and her loyalty.

So she is standing down immediately, to force the by-election neither of them want. And I don't blame her.

Horrid leadership. From a horrid, disloyal Party.

I am not sure that undying loyalty to Boris Johnson is something that should be praised.
Her decision to resign is an inconvenience for the current leader, and also the party.
Not much loyalty there.
There were reasons why he was desperate for friends.
Whether he was stabbed in the back, or they just had enough of him, is probably debatable.
His Honours List has obviously been reviewed, as there were a number of omissions.
His Dad was one.
As well as the two sitting MPs.
Although I understand that it is customary not to give gongs to sitting MPs, to avoid by-elections.
This is typical Boris.
Agreeing a deal, and not coming up with the goods.

I think her resignation was prompted by Boris telling her that he was resigning.
She has recently taken on two new jobs, and probably hasnt got time to be an MP.

I would find it impossible to disagree with the fact that the Tories are horrible.
I think that she is just another one of them.

It goes a little deeper than that.

Firstly, I admire loyalty to ones friends. True friends stand by their friends when their friend needs them-not just when there is something in it for them. The mere fact that it is someone I don't like supporting someone else I don't like doesn't change that.

I value loyalty amongst friends, and family.
I also appreciated loyalty at work.
Although I am not sure that they are the same thing.
In an ideal world a political leader should be able to expect loyalty from their MPs.
As should a political party.



7 sitting MPs received Honours. The rest of the people who supported a duly elected PM. All the other usual suspects-Rees-Mogg, Priti Patel, Michael Fabricant. Damehoods. Knighthoods. While Dorries receives precisely nothing.

Another seven by-elections then?



Dorries had repeated 5 hours before her resignation that she had no intention of quitting before the next election. So-what changed?

Boris told her he was resigning.


A Johnson-hater would claim that it was his resignation as MP. But the facts do not bear this out. He has deliberately not said he is quitting permanently-just that he is not being an MP "for now".

He was going to be forced into a by-election in his own constituency, that he was likely to lose.

So-what has changed? There is clearly more to this. If Sunak had made it clear that she was to receive a peerage postponed until after the next election, this would not have happened. If Sunak had allowed Boris' Honours list to go ahead and had 1 or 2 by-elections, this would not have happened. If Dorries had instead received a Damehood, this would not have happened.

I am not sure you can say that with any certainty.
If there was a new by-election rule, why would Sunak be happy with seven, but not nine?

I don't like Boris. Fact remains that a duly elected leader's resignation honours have taken nearly a year-compare/contrast with the 1 month for Cameron. And they have clearly been altered by a sitting PM for his own political purposes.

He denies this of course.
I dont have a clue, and there seems to be no logical reason.

Which goes against the whole purpose of resignation honours. Rewarding the old guard. Not propping up the new.

The old guard, their hairdressers, and dogwalkers.

HAYSIE

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

Can't blame her.

Don't like the woman. But give her her due. She was loyal. Particularly to Boris. Not just loyal when it suited her. Loyal when he was desperate for friends. Loyal while everyone else was stabbing him in the back.

There was a deal in place. Boris to give her a Peerage. Her to step down at the next election. Boris to change to being the MP for her constituency which is far, far safer than his current seat.

So it was a deal, rather than a deserved a Peerage?

But then there was a ruling that said if she got a peerage there would have to be a by-election now. Which wouldn't suit Sunak, who doesn't want a by-election. Or Boris, who wants to be able to stand in her constituency. An Honour is supposed to reflect on the recipient. Not the donor. But Sunak/Johnson are doing what is best for them. And effectively spitting on Dorries and her loyalty.

So she is standing down immediately, to force the by-election neither of them want. And I don't blame her.

Horrid leadership. From a horrid, disloyal Party.

I am not sure that undying loyalty to Boris Johnson is something that should be praised.
Her decision to resign is an inconvenience for the current leader, and also the party.
Not much loyalty there.
There were reasons why he was desperate for friends.
Whether he was stabbed in the back, or they just had enough of him, is probably debatable.
His Honours List has obviously been reviewed, as there were a number of omissions.
His Dad was one.
As well as the two sitting MPs.
Although I understand that it is customary not to give gongs to sitting MPs, to avoid by-elections.
This is typical Boris.
Agreeing a deal, and not coming up with the goods.

I think her resignation was prompted by Boris telling her that he was resigning.
She has recently taken on two new jobs, and probably hasnt got time to be an MP.

I would find it impossible to disagree with the fact that the Tories are horrible.
I think that she is just another one of them.

It goes a little deeper than that.

Firstly, I admire loyalty to ones friends. True friends stand by their friends when their friend needs them-not just when there is something in it for them. The mere fact that it is someone I don't like supporting someone else I don't like doesn't change that.

I value loyalty amongst friends, and family.
I also appreciated loyalty at work.
Although I am not sure that they are the same thing.
In an ideal world a political leader should be able to expect loyalty from their MPs.
As should a political party.



7 sitting MPs received Honours. The rest of the people who supported a duly elected PM. All the other usual suspects-Rees-Mogg, Priti Patel, Michael Fabricant. Damehoods. Knighthoods. While Dorries receives precisely nothing.

Another seven by-elections then?



Dorries had repeated 5 hours before her resignation that she had no intention of quitting before the next election. So-what changed?

Boris told her he was resigning.


A Johnson-hater would claim that it was his resignation as MP. But the facts do not bear this out. He has deliberately not said he is quitting permanently-just that he is not being an MP "for now".

He was going to be forced into a by-election in his own constituency, that he was likely to lose.

So-what has changed? There is clearly more to this. If Sunak had made it clear that she was to receive a peerage postponed until after the next election, this would not have happened. If Sunak had allowed Boris' Honours list to go ahead and had 1 or 2 by-elections, this would not have happened. If Dorries had instead received a Damehood, this would not have happened.

I am not sure you can say that with any certainty.
If there was a new by-election rule, why would Sunak be happy with seven, but not nine?

I don't like Boris. Fact remains that a duly elected leader's resignation honours have taken nearly a year-compare/contrast with the 1 month for Cameron. And they have clearly been altered by a sitting PM for his own political purposes.

He denies this of course.
I dont have a clue, and there seems to be no logical reason.

Which goes against the whole purpose of resignation honours. Rewarding the old guard. Not propping up the new.

The old guard, their hairdressers, and dogwalkers.

What did Alok Sharma do?
What on earth did Andrea Jenkyns do to deserve one?

Essexphil

You misunderstand the Honours system in relation to MPs/by-elections. Not surprising-it is a bit strange.

MPs can receive a Knighthood, Damehood, OBE etc and are entitled to remain as an MP.

It is only a Peerage that elevates someone to the House of Lords and triggers a by-election.

Consequently, the decision to remove Dorries (and Alok Sharma) entirely makes no sense for Johnson. But plenty for Sunak.

As I understand it, others are considering resigning, to force more by-elections. Starting with Priti Patel.

HAYSIE

Boris Johnson sensationally QUITS as an MP after Partygate probe 'rules he DID mislead Parliament': Ex-PM lambasts 'kangaroo court' of Remainers who have 'forced' him out - saying he is 'very sad to be leaving parliament - for now'
Former leader stunned Westminster by resigning his seat with immediate effect
Launched attack on Privileges Committee led by Labour's Harriet Harman



The committee is thought to have advised that he should be suspended for at least ten days, triggering a by-election in his west London constituency.
One Whitehall source said Holac, which vets the appointment of peers, was concerned about the precedent that would be set by allowing MPs to join the Lords mid-term.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12179163/Boris-Johnson-sensationally-QUITS-MP.html

Essexphil

Boris, like most journalists, has never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Seeking to blame Harriet Harman, the Chair of the relevant Committee. Conveniently forgetting that the majority on the Privileges Committee are actually Conservatives.

People like my MP, Bernard Jenkin. IMO he is many things, none of which I can repeat on here. But Bernard Jenkin is a Right Wing Tory MP, and a fervent Brexiteer.

We live in a rather strange world. Where a duly elected Prime Minister can be ousted by about 350 people. Then replaced by an unelected congenital idiot by the Party, in preference to the man who is now the unelected leader-not only the electorate but even the Tory Party Members were denied a vote.

Then there is the forced by-elections. Allegations that lied to Parliament? By-election. And note that the "deliberate" bit was changed just in time for this. Travel on a train with Covid? By-election.

Whereas-assault, sex offences, drug-taking, racism, bullying. All of these have not forced by-elections, including where criminal convictions ensued. 15 MPs have lost their Party Whip, but no forced by-election.

Part of me rejoices that it is Boris getting this treatment. But good cases can set terrible precedents.

Essexphil

HAYSIE said:

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

Can't blame her.

Don't like the woman. But give her her due. She was loyal. Particularly to Boris. Not just loyal when it suited her. Loyal when he was desperate for friends. Loyal while everyone else was stabbing him in the back.

There was a deal in place. Boris to give her a Peerage. Her to step down at the next election. Boris to change to being the MP for her constituency which is far, far safer than his current seat.

So it was a deal, rather than a deserved a Peerage?

But then there was a ruling that said if she got a peerage there would have to be a by-election now. Which wouldn't suit Sunak, who doesn't want a by-election. Or Boris, who wants to be able to stand in her constituency. An Honour is supposed to reflect on the recipient. Not the donor. But Sunak/Johnson are doing what is best for them. And effectively spitting on Dorries and her loyalty.

So she is standing down immediately, to force the by-election neither of them want. And I don't blame her.

Horrid leadership. From a horrid, disloyal Party.

I am not sure that undying loyalty to Boris Johnson is something that should be praised.
Her decision to resign is an inconvenience for the current leader, and also the party.
Not much loyalty there.
There were reasons why he was desperate for friends.
Whether he was stabbed in the back, or they just had enough of him, is probably debatable.
His Honours List has obviously been reviewed, as there were a number of omissions.
His Dad was one.
As well as the two sitting MPs.
Although I understand that it is customary not to give gongs to sitting MPs, to avoid by-elections.
This is typical Boris.
Agreeing a deal, and not coming up with the goods.

I think her resignation was prompted by Boris telling her that he was resigning.
She has recently taken on two new jobs, and probably hasnt got time to be an MP.

I would find it impossible to disagree with the fact that the Tories are horrible.
I think that she is just another one of them.

It goes a little deeper than that.

Firstly, I admire loyalty to ones friends. True friends stand by their friends when their friend needs them-not just when there is something in it for them. The mere fact that it is someone I don't like supporting someone else I don't like doesn't change that.

I value loyalty amongst friends, and family.
I also appreciated loyalty at work.
Although I am not sure that they are the same thing.
In an ideal world a political leader should be able to expect loyalty from their MPs.
As should a political party.



7 sitting MPs received Honours. The rest of the people who supported a duly elected PM. All the other usual suspects-Rees-Mogg, Priti Patel, Michael Fabricant. Damehoods. Knighthoods. While Dorries receives precisely nothing.

Another seven by-elections then?



Dorries had repeated 5 hours before her resignation that she had no intention of quitting before the next election. So-what changed?

Boris told her he was resigning.


A Johnson-hater would claim that it was his resignation as MP. But the facts do not bear this out. He has deliberately not said he is quitting permanently-just that he is not being an MP "for now".

He was going to be forced into a by-election in his own constituency, that he was likely to lose.

So-what has changed? There is clearly more to this. If Sunak had made it clear that she was to receive a peerage postponed until after the next election, this would not have happened. If Sunak had allowed Boris' Honours list to go ahead and had 1 or 2 by-elections, this would not have happened. If Dorries had instead received a Damehood, this would not have happened.

I am not sure you can say that with any certainty.
If there was a new by-election rule, why would Sunak be happy with seven, but not nine?

I don't like Boris. Fact remains that a duly elected leader's resignation honours have taken nearly a year-compare/contrast with the 1 month for Cameron. And they have clearly been altered by a sitting PM for his own political purposes.

He denies this of course.
I dont have a clue, and there seems to be no logical reason.

Which goes against the whole purpose of resignation honours. Rewarding the old guard. Not propping up the new.

The old guard, their hairdressers, and dogwalkers.

What did Alok Sharma do?
What on earth did Andrea Jenkyns do to deserve one?

Every Resignation Honours List works exactly like this one.

It is the ex-PM's equivalent of handing out the gold clock for good service.

The deal has always been a reward in return for accepting that their time has gone.

Whereas the current PM seems to believe the best way forward is to argue about the price of the gold clock for 9 months and **** off various people who were supposed to be retiring quietly.

Making unnecessary enemies. Which will come back to bite us when Sunak gets removed after being trounced by Labour at the next election. Because it is exactly this sort of divisiveness that makes that more likely.

And-God forbid-make it entirely possible that Boris may achieve yet another comeback.

Essexphil

Just to put this into some form of context.

Remember the scandal that caused almost the entire Cabinet to forget all about collective responsibility and resign en masse?

Chris Pincher. Still sitting as an MP. Whip removed. But no sanction whatsoever by Parliament.

Bean81

I've not followed this story closely, but if Sunak is playing a big part in clearing out these idiots/self-serving liars/criminals, that's a smart and necessary move for the party.

The past 13 years have desperately highlighted the need for political reform in this country. Patel and Ress-Mogg receiving honours is scandalous.

tai-gar

The only Good things I can see about this are;

Good Bye.

Good Riddance.

HAYSIE

Essexphil said:

Just to put this into some form of context.

Remember the scandal that caused almost the entire Cabinet to forget all about collective responsibility and resign en masse?

Chris Pincher. Still sitting as an MP. Whip removed. But no sanction whatsoever by Parliament.

According to the Press Preview on Sky News.
Nigel Adams, and Nadine Dories were promised Peerages.
However, it was Boris Johnsons lack of knowledge of how the Honours System works, was to blame for them not receiving them.
He was unaware of the fact that the 3 sitting MPs that were offered Peerages, would have to resign within 6 months.
It seems that the House of Lords Committee that decides on whether the PMs nominations are acceptable, turned down more than is usually the case, on this occasion.
Apparently nothing to do with Rishi Sunak.
Hence their resignations.
Alok Sharma probably continues to live in hope.
A Tim Shipman article on the full story will be published tomorrow.

HAYSIE