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At least two people said to have declined resignation honours from Liz Truss

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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,662
    Here's 2 radical thoughts:-

    1. If you want Nadine Dorries to give up her duly elected position, how about offering her a Peerage in return for her Resignation?
    2. Any chance of spending a couple of minutes of your precious time running the country, as opposed to slagging off people in your own Party? We are facing a massive cost of living crisis. Massive inflation. Strikes everywhere.

    He could call a General Election. He could withdraw the Whip from people who dare to criticise him.

    Or he could just resign now. He wouldn't be the first in this Parliament. Or even the second. Or he can wait for the Country to force his resignation at the ballot box.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    edited June 2023
    Essexphil said:

    Here's 2 radical thoughts:-

    1. If you want Nadine Dorries to give up her duly elected position, how about offering her a Peerage in return for her Resignation?

    I think that ship has sailed.

    3. Any chance of spending a couple of minutes of your precious time running the country, as opposed to slagging off people in your own Party? We are facing a massive cost of living crisis. Massive inflation. Strikes everywhere.

    He could call a General Election. He could withdraw the Whip from people who dare to criticise him.

    Or he could just resign now. He wouldn't be the first in this Parliament. Or even the second. Or he can wait for the Country to force his resignation at the ballot box.

    Not a fan then.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,662
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Here's 2 radical thoughts:-

    1. If you want Nadine Dorries to give up her duly elected position, how about offering her a Peerage in return for her Resignation?

    I that ship has sailed.

    3. Any chance of spending a couple of minutes of your precious time running the country, as opposed to slagging off people in your own Party? We are facing a massive cost of living crisis. Massive inflation. Strikes everywhere.

    He could call a General Election. He could withdraw the Whip from people who dare to criticise him.

    Or he could just resign now. He wouldn't be the first in this Parliament. Or even the second. Or he can wait for the Country to force his resignation at the ballot box.

    Not a fan then.
    The Party put their faith in Liz Truss over him.

    Need I say more?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    Essexphil said:

    Here's 2 radical thoughts:-

    1. If you want Nadine Dorries to give up her duly elected position, how about offering her a Peerage in return for her Resignation?
    2. Any chance of spending a couple of minutes of your precious time running the country, as opposed to slagging off people in your own Party? We are facing a massive cost of living crisis. Massive inflation. Strikes everywhere.

    He could call a General Election. He could withdraw the Whip from people who dare to criticise him.

    Or he could just resign now. He wouldn't be the first in this Parliament. Or even the second. Or he can wait for the Country to force his resignation at the ballot box.

    Boris wants your MP to resign then.
    Perhaps he should have given him a Peerage.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Here's 2 radical thoughts:-

    1. If you want Nadine Dorries to give up her duly elected position, how about offering her a Peerage in return for her Resignation?

    I that ship has sailed.

    3. Any chance of spending a couple of minutes of your precious time running the country, as opposed to slagging off people in your own Party? We are facing a massive cost of living crisis. Massive inflation. Strikes everywhere.

    He could call a General Election. He could withdraw the Whip from people who dare to criticise him.

    Or he could just resign now. He wouldn't be the first in this Parliament. Or even the second. Or he can wait for the Country to force his resignation at the ballot box.

    Not a fan then.
    The Party put their faith in Liz Truss over him.

    Need I say more?
    I think he is probably better than the previous 3.
    Although not a lot of competition.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,662
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Here's 2 radical thoughts:-

    1. If you want Nadine Dorries to give up her duly elected position, how about offering her a Peerage in return for her Resignation?

    I that ship has sailed.

    3. Any chance of spending a couple of minutes of your precious time running the country, as opposed to slagging off people in your own Party? We are facing a massive cost of living crisis. Massive inflation. Strikes everywhere.

    He could call a General Election. He could withdraw the Whip from people who dare to criticise him.

    Or he could just resign now. He wouldn't be the first in this Parliament. Or even the second. Or he can wait for the Country to force his resignation at the ballot box.

    Not a fan then.
    The Party put their faith in Liz Truss over him.

    Need I say more?
    I think he is probably better than the previous 3.
    Although not a lot of competition.
    He was "elected" to provide a safe pair of hands.

    Not to flounce around and make everything all about him. We've already been down that road with the idiot Boris and Trussonomics.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,662
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Here's 2 radical thoughts:-

    1. If you want Nadine Dorries to give up her duly elected position, how about offering her a Peerage in return for her Resignation?
    2. Any chance of spending a couple of minutes of your precious time running the country, as opposed to slagging off people in your own Party? We are facing a massive cost of living crisis. Massive inflation. Strikes everywhere.

    He could call a General Election. He could withdraw the Whip from people who dare to criticise him.

    Or he could just resign now. He wouldn't be the first in this Parliament. Or even the second. Or he can wait for the Country to force his resignation at the ballot box.

    Boris wants your MP to resign then.
    Perhaps he should have given him a Peerage.
    He doesn't want him to resign as an MP. He wants him to recognise that, having committed the same offences as Boris, he is in no position to pass judgment via the Committee, and should have recused himself.

    Meanwhile, we have the ridiculous prospect of an admitted Partygoer PM lambasting another Partygoing PM for misleading the House in exactly the same way as he had. At the same Parties!
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Here's 2 radical thoughts:-

    1. If you want Nadine Dorries to give up her duly elected position, how about offering her a Peerage in return for her Resignation?
    2. Any chance of spending a couple of minutes of your precious time running the country, as opposed to slagging off people in your own Party? We are facing a massive cost of living crisis. Massive inflation. Strikes everywhere.

    He could call a General Election. He could withdraw the Whip from people who dare to criticise him.

    Or he could just resign now. He wouldn't be the first in this Parliament. Or even the second. Or he can wait for the Country to force his resignation at the ballot box.

    Boris wants your MP to resign then.
    Perhaps he should have given him a Peerage.
    He doesn't want him to resign as an MP. He wants him to recognise that, having committed the same offences as Boris, he is in no position to pass judgment via the Committee, and should have recused himself.

    Meanwhile, we have the ridiculous prospect of an admitted Partygoer PM lambasting another Partygoing PM for misleading the House in exactly the same way as he had. At the same Parties!
    They apparently observed the 2m rule at this party.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Here's 2 radical thoughts:-

    1. If you want Nadine Dorries to give up her duly elected position, how about offering her a Peerage in return for her Resignation?

    I that ship has sailed.

    3. Any chance of spending a couple of minutes of your precious time running the country, as opposed to slagging off people in your own Party? We are facing a massive cost of living crisis. Massive inflation. Strikes everywhere.

    He could call a General Election. He could withdraw the Whip from people who dare to criticise him.

    Or he could just resign now. He wouldn't be the first in this Parliament. Or even the second. Or he can wait for the Country to force his resignation at the ballot box.

    Not a fan then.
    The Party put their faith in Liz Truss over him.

    Need I say more?
    Battle rages between Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak for credibility and loyalty



    This is a battle for attention, credibility and loyalty.

    A battle between Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson, a battle electrified by the words of them both on Monday.

    Mr Johnson is the master attention grabber.

    But what about credibility and loyalty?

    Mr Sunak's intervention was uncharacteristically blunt and sought to make a moral argument and contrast with the prime minister before last.

    Mr Johnson accused him of "talking rubbish".

    Johnson and Sunak escalate feud over honours list
    Why did Boris Johnson resign?
    The ghost of Boris Johnson haunts Rishi Sunak
    But it is worth examining the substance of Boris Johnson's claim.

    It takes us into the weeds of the procedure for being nominated for a seat in the House of Lords, but it matters for his credibility.

    "To honour these peerages it was not necessary to overrule HOLAC - but simply to ask them to renew their vetting, which was a mere formality," Mr Johnson said.

    HOLAC is the House of Lords Appointments Commission.

    But both the Cabinet Office and the former Conservative leader Michael Howard have said publicly this is nonsense.

    Lord Howard, who once sacked Boris Johnson for lying, said the former prime minister's claim was "simply not true".

    Lord Howard used to sit on HOLAC, so he has a decent claim for saying he knows what he is talking about.

    And then there is the Cabinet Office.

    A spokesman told the BBC: "HOLAC did not support the nominations of the MPs put forward by the former prime minister. It is unprecedented for a sitting prime minister to invite HOLAC to reconsider the vetting of individual nominees on a former prime minister's resignation list. It is not therefore a formality."

    In other words, they claim Boris Johnson is talking drivel too.

    I've been in touch with Mr Johnson's team on this. They haven't yet called me back.



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65888073
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    Charlotte Owen: Youngest nominated peer ‘exaggerated role at No 10’


    The woman nominated by Boris Johnson to become the UK’s youngest ever life peer appears to have exaggerated the amount of time she was a special adviser when he was prime minister.

    Charlotte Owen, 29, is one of seven names approved by the King for a peerage as part of Johnson’s resignation honours list. However, senior figures in Johnson’s government have questioned her suitability, describing her as a “staggeringly junior” aide in No 10.

    On LinkedIn Owen says she served as a special adviser to Johnson from February 2021 to July last year. However, government records of special advisers, who are senior aides, paid for by the taxpayer, show that in June 2021 Owen was not in that role. By the following year she was dividing her time between No 10 and working for Chris Heaton-Harris, then the chief whip.

    Figures who were at No 10 at the time confirm that Owen began working as a junior political aide paid for by Conservative central office. They said that her role was to provide a link between the Tory party and No 10 — with jobs such as meeting and greeting MPs. One source said the story, first reported by the website Tortoise, appeared to show she exaggerated her initial role. “No one working there at the time can understand why she’s on the list,” the source said. “It is completely mad.”

    One government figure claimed her candidacy had been promoted by Nigel Adams, the Tory MP who was due to receive an honour but resigned after he was blackballed by the House of Lords Appointments Commission. The source added that one “plausible” explanation was to distract attention from other appointments on the list. She was in none of the key staff meetings in the early days of her time in the building, describing her role as akin to an executive assistant.

    This was confirmed by another Downing Street staffer who said that they were aware of her presence in the building but she had been “a very junior member of staff”.

    “She was doing a lot of work for him when he was a Cabinet Office minister,” the source said. “You have to remember that it was initially double the size. But then a lot of people got vetoed. She may simply have been put up to distract attention.”

    Spokesmen for the Cabinet Office and Johnson declined to comment. The Times has contacted Owen for comment.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/charlotte-owen-youngest-nominated-peer-exaggerated-role-at-no-10-rsm5hmfw3
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    No 10 criticises Nadine Dorries over threat to delay resignation as MP
    Boris Johnson ally considers timing departure to embarrass Sunak before Tory conference



    Downing Street has criticised the former cabinet minister Nadine Dorries for planning to delay her resignation as a Tory MP so the party faces a by-election in the run-up to the Conservative Party conference.

    Rishi Sunak’s spokeswoman said that the ex-culture secretary should get on with the process of quitting as an MP to allow her constituents to have “proper representation”.

    Government sources also pointed to Dorries’s record in the House of Commons, where she has voted only six times since late November last year. She has not spoken in the chamber since she was culture secretary, a position that she left in September last year.

    Aaron Bell, a Conservative MP, urged Dorries to make clear her position after months of “earning money on telly” rather than attending parliament.

    Johnson and Dorries have publicly accused Sunak of, in effect, blocking the honours to prevent potential by-election losses in Tory seats. The former prime minister has said that Sunak was “talking rubbish” when he claimed on Monday that Johnson had asked him to overrule Holac and push the honours through.

    This is disputed by Downing Street, which says that Johnson could have secured the peerages for the MPs on his list if he had informed them of Holac’s requirement earlier in the process. “He was aware of what they needed to do,” one source said.

    Wes Streeting, Labour’s shadow health secretary, has said that complaints about peerages are deserving of “the world’s smallest violin” given the wider-reaching issues the UK is experiencing.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nadine-dorries-delays-exit-to-threaten-pm-with-by-election-embarrassment-hxcw7gblf
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,662
    I always hate it when Governments start with the spin & the leaks.

    Either the current PM has an input in the process, or he does not. He can't have it both ways. He cannot say his hands were tied in relation to the 8 rejections and get his aides to drop stories about 1 who was accepted (Owen). Similarly, can't both claim that there are procedures/rules to be followed and brief the Press about the "last minute" submissions.

    If he is claiming Boris "knew" the procedure, surely there is a simple answer. Release the guidance from Holac showing the necessary procedural steps. But he isn't going to do that. Because they were either never released, or were given to Sunak, who kept schtum. In any event, surely Holac's primary duties relate to the proposed recipients-not Boris or Rishi.

    Loved the "world's smallest violin" comment.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    Essexphil said:

    I always hate it when Governments start with the spin & the leaks.

    Either the current PM has an input in the process, or he does not. He can't have it both ways. He cannot say his hands were tied in relation to the 8 rejections and get his aides to drop stories about 1 who was accepted (Owen). Similarly, can't both claim that there are procedures/rules to be followed and brief the Press about the "last minute" submissions.

    If he is claiming Boris "knew" the procedure, surely there is a simple answer. Release the guidance from Holac showing the necessary procedural steps. But he isn't going to do that. Because they were either never released, or were given to Sunak, who kept schtum. In any event, surely Holac's primary duties relate to the proposed recipients-not Boris or Rishi.

    Loved the "world's smallest violin" comment.

    Yes.
    The first accusation from Boris was that Sunak edited his list.
    HOLAC confirmed that this was not true, and the removed 8 names from the list.
    Boris was looking to bend the rules, but Sunak was having none of it.

    To honour these peerages it was not necessary to overrule HOLAC - but simply to ask them to renew their vetting, which was a mere formality," Mr Johnson said.

    But both the Cabinet Office and the former Conservative leader Michael Howard have said publicly this is nonsense.

    Lord Howard, who once sacked Boris Johnson for lying, said the former prime minister's claim was "simply not true".

    Lord Howard used to sit on HOLAC, so he has a decent claim for saying he knows what he is talking about.

    And then there is the Cabinet Office.

    A spokesman told the BBC: "HOLAC did not support the nominations of the MPs put forward by the former prime minister. It is unprecedented for a sitting prime minister to invite HOLAC to reconsider the vetting of individual nominees on a former prime minister's resignation list. It is not therefore a formality."

    In other words, they claim Boris Johnson is talking drivel too.

    I've been in touch with Mr Johnson's team on this. They haven't yet called me back.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,662
    I've got this great script for a new series of Yes, Minister.

    It's where the PM and the Chancellor tell everybody to stay in. While secretly having a whole load of Parties themselves. Classic "don't do as I do, do as I say" stuff.

    Both lie to Parliament about it. Explicitly deny to the House that they attended Parties on specific dates. Even though they did. And accepted that via payment of Fixed Penalty Notices.

    Here's the plot twist-1 is barred from the House of Commons for lying. While the other is promoted to Prime Minister :)
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    Essexphil said:

    I've got this great script for a new series of Yes, Minister.

    It's where the PM and the Chancellor tell everybody to stay in. While secretly having a whole load of Parties themselves. Classic "don't do as I do, do as I say" stuff.

    Both lie to Parliament about it. Explicitly deny to the House that they attended Parties on specific dates. Even though they did. And accepted that via payment of Fixed Penalty Notices.

    Here's the plot twist-1 is barred from the House of Commons for lying. While the other is promoted to Prime Minister :)

    Very appropriate.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,662
    On a humorous note-and goodness knows we could do with one-here is a fascinating fact about Bernard Jenkin, MP.

    No, not his alleged racist comments. Nor his large "fine" in relation to his fiddling of MP expenses, which his Daddy (Patrick Jenkin) had to pay for him.

    It's this. He has known the screenwriter Richard Curtis, for many years. And Mr Curtis always includes a character called "Bernard" in everything he writes.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    Essexphil said:

    On a humorous note-and goodness knows we could do with one-here is a fascinating fact about Bernard Jenkin, MP.

    No, not his alleged racist comments. Nor his large "fine" in relation to his fiddling of MP expenses, which his Daddy (Patrick Jenkin) had to pay for him.

    It's this. He has known the screenwriter Richard Curtis, for many years. And Mr Curtis always includes a character called "Bernard" in everything he writes.

    Mad.
    Boris looks done for?
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,662
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    On a humorous note-and goodness knows we could do with one-here is a fascinating fact about Bernard Jenkin, MP.

    No, not his alleged racist comments. Nor his large "fine" in relation to his fiddling of MP expenses, which his Daddy (Patrick Jenkin) had to pay for him.

    It's this. He has known the screenwriter Richard Curtis, for many years. And Mr Curtis always includes a character called "Bernard" in everything he writes.

    Mad.
    Boris looks done for?
    He's made a career out of flouncing off and somehow making a comeback. One time it will be the end. Perhaps that is this time.

    He will shout and scream. The removal of the Pass looks petty and vindictive. Although, of course, he won't mention that he hardly ever turns up to the House now.

    He will likely bide his time, and wait to see just how bad the By-elections, and particularly the General Election, are. And make a decision after that.

    I sincerely hope he will (like Cameron and others before him) be too busy trousering cash to want a political comeback.
  • tai-gartai-gar Member Posts: 2,678
    Essexphil said:

    I've got this great script for a new series of Yes, Minister.

    It's where the PM and the Chancellor tell everybody to stay in. While secretly having a whole load of Parties themselves. Classic "don't do as I do, do as I say" stuff.

    Both lie to Parliament about it. Explicitly deny to the House that they attended Parties on specific dates. Even though they did. And accepted that via payment of Fixed Penalty Notices.

    Here's the plot twist-1 is barred from the House of Commons for lying. While the other is promoted to Prime Minister :)


    What this country really needs is a political statesman of quality and integrity.

    Certainly not another Boris.

    My view fwiw is let Sunak get on with doing his job until we find one.
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