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Counter-terrorism police among Met officers handing in weapons after colleague charged with murder

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  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,474
    Does that mean you would expect the CPS to charge a police officer with murder, and jeopardise the rest of his life, merely to avoid a backlash in the media, or outrage from the victims friends, and family?
    Surely not.


    In this day and age it wouldn't surprise me at all.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    Enut said:

    He was shot while, it later turned out, unarmed and driving a 2 tonne high speed metal box that is quite capable of killing the police officer concerned and any others that happen to be in the way, or any innocent members of the public if he managed to escape the police blockade.

    If someone is trying to kill you by driving a car at you should you, as an armed police officer, stop that threat or jump out of the way and wave cheerily at him as he escapes. I know what I would prefer our police to do.

    Of course none of us know exactly what happened but it is quite telling that his family, who were baying for blood, apparently went quiet after being shown video footage of the event.


    Chris Kaba: What Happened And Why It's So Important


    What happened?
    An Automatic Number Plate Recognition camera found that the Audi being driven by Kaba was linked to a firearms incident in previous days.

    The car was subsequently rammed and boxed in by two police cars in the residential road of Kirkstall Gardens, in Streatham Hill on Monday, September 5.

    Kaba then died after a specialist firearms officer – who was taken off operational duties and later suspended – fired a single gunshot through the driver’s side of the windscreen.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/chris-kaba-everything-you-need-to-know_uk_631f0274e4b027aa405d6df4
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,662
    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    He was shot while, it later turned out, unarmed and driving a 2 tonne high speed metal box that is quite capable of killing the police officer concerned and any others that happen to be in the way, or any innocent members of the public if he managed to escape the police blockade.

    If someone is trying to kill you by driving a car at you should you, as an armed police officer, stop that threat or jump out of the way and wave cheerily at him as he escapes. I know what I would prefer our police to do.

    Of course none of us know exactly what happened but it is quite telling that his family, who were baying for blood, apparently went quiet after being shown video footage of the event.


    Chris Kaba: What Happened And Why It's So Important


    What happened?
    An Automatic Number Plate Recognition camera found that the Audi being driven by Kaba was linked to a firearms incident in previous days.

    The car was subsequently rammed and boxed in by two police cars in the residential road of Kirkstall Gardens, in Streatham Hill on Monday, September 5.

    Kaba then died after a specialist firearms officer – who was taken off operational duties and later suspended – fired a single gunshot through the driver’s side of the windscreen.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/chris-kaba-everything-you-need-to-know_uk_631f0274e4b027aa405d6df4
    So-the guy's car has been rammed and boxed in. The car has been allegedly recently used in a gun crime, the Deceased had a previous conviction relating to an imitation firearm that resulted in a significant prison sentence, and he was suspected of a recent serious gun crime.

    Safe to assume that he had been asked to stop and/or asked to get out of the car. Before and/or after he was rammed and boxed in.

    I can see how there may well be a case in respect of various possible criminal acts on the part of the policeman shooter. I just cannot understand why he has been charged with Murder.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    He was shot while, it later turned out, unarmed and driving a 2 tonne high speed metal box that is quite capable of killing the police officer concerned and any others that happen to be in the way, or any innocent members of the public if he managed to escape the police blockade.

    If someone is trying to kill you by driving a car at you should you, as an armed police officer, stop that threat or jump out of the way and wave cheerily at him as he escapes. I know what I would prefer our police to do.

    Of course none of us know exactly what happened but it is quite telling that his family, who were baying for blood, apparently went quiet after being shown video footage of the event.


    Chris Kaba: What Happened And Why It's So Important


    What happened?
    An Automatic Number Plate Recognition camera found that the Audi being driven by Kaba was linked to a firearms incident in previous days.

    The car was subsequently rammed and boxed in by two police cars in the residential road of Kirkstall Gardens, in Streatham Hill on Monday, September 5.

    Kaba then died after a specialist firearms officer – who was taken off operational duties and later suspended – fired a single gunshot through the driver’s side of the windscreen.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/chris-kaba-everything-you-need-to-know_uk_631f0274e4b027aa405d6df4
    So-the guy's car has been rammed and boxed in. The car has been allegedly recently used in a gun crime, the Deceased had a previous conviction relating to an imitation firearm that resulted in a significant prison sentence, and he was suspected of a recent serious gun crime.

    Safe to assume that he had been asked to stop and/or asked to get out of the car. Before and/or after he was rammed and boxed in.

    I can see how there may well be a case in respect of various possible criminal acts on the part of the policeman shooter. I just cannot understand why he has been charged with Murder.
    Nor me.
    There must be something important that we dont know.
    It is obviously a very serious matter for the CPS.
    Kaba apparently ignored the officers requests to exit the car
    In order to justify shooting him, the officer must have had a genuine belief that he, his colleagues, or the public, was in danger.
    The CPS obviously disagree, for some reason.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    Police marksman who shot gangster dead faces sack despite being cleared


    https://uk.yahoo.com/style/marksman-shot-dead-jailbreak-gangster-193505630.html
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,662
    2 quick points on the 8 year old case above

    1. Yes, it can most definitely be the case that the Criminal Law and Civil Law cases are totally different. Not least because the Standard of Proof is totally different. At Criminal Law, it needs to be proved beyond reasonable doubt-so c.99%. At Civil Law, it is Balance of Probabilities-51%

    2. To sack someone for Gross Misconduct, it needs to be an action so terrible that it demands Summary (Instant) Dismissal. Which is not consistent with an 8 year delay. Can he be safely disciplined after all this time? Yes. Can he be safely Summarily Dismissed? No
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,543
    Armed police rely on ‘wild west’ tactics to catch dangerous criminals, warns former chief


    https://uk.yahoo.com/style/armed-police-rely-wild-west-094357428.html
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