Paramedic rushing to 'life-and-death' emergency begs police to clear Just Stop Oil protesters

HAYSIE

Sixty activists from the eco group slow-marched on Waterloo Bridge on Wednesday, causing the busy carriageway to be shut in both directions






https://uk.yahoo.com/news/police-just-stop-oil-loggerheads-115635202.html

Enut

It amazes me that these people think their antics are doing their cause any good whatsoever, it isn't. I'm somewhat surprised none of them have been hurt, probably because we seem to treat them with kid gloves in this country. They appear to get treated a bit more roughly abroad.

Just Stop Oil activist superglues themselves to the road? Fine, cordon them off, set up a diversion and leave them there, with the nights getting colder they should soon learn.

Toffeeandy

Enut said:

It amazes me that these people think their antics are doing their cause any good whatsoever, it isn't. I'm somewhat surprised none of them have been hurt, probably because we seem to treat them with kid gloves in this country. They appear to get treated a bit more roughly abroad.

Just Stop Oil activist superglues themselves to the road? Fine, cordon them off, set up a diversion and leave them there, with the nights getting colder they should soon learn.

Sod that, just run them over.

Enut

Toffeeandy said:

Enut said:

It amazes me that these people think their antics are doing their cause any good whatsoever, it isn't. I'm somewhat surprised none of them have been hurt, probably because we seem to treat them with kid gloves in this country. They appear to get treated a bit more roughly abroad.

Just Stop Oil activist superglues themselves to the road? Fine, cordon them off, set up a diversion and leave them there, with the nights getting colder they should soon learn.

Sod that, just run them over.

I would like to but would probably be charged with dangerous driving and, more importantly, may damage my car. They're not worth that!

HAYSIE

Enut said:

Toffeeandy said:

Enut said:

It amazes me that these people think their antics are doing their cause any good whatsoever, it isn't. I'm somewhat surprised none of them have been hurt, probably because we seem to treat them with kid gloves in this country. They appear to get treated a bit more roughly abroad.

Just Stop Oil activist superglues themselves to the road? Fine, cordon them off, set up a diversion and leave them there, with the nights getting colder they should soon learn.

Sod that, just run them over.

I would like to but would probably be charged with dangerous driving and, more importantly, may damage my car. They're not worth that!

Elderly lawyer shoots dead two climate protesters blocking highway
@Essexphil


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/elderly-lawyer-shoots-dead-two-185125058.html

Essexphil

Too much hair to be me

HAYSIE

Essexphil said:

Too much hair to be me

True.
You are also a bit too young to be described as elderly.
Now if it was @Tikay10.......


It was a bit drastic though.

Enut

HAYSIE said:

Enut said:

Toffeeandy said:

Enut said:

It amazes me that these people think their antics are doing their cause any good whatsoever, it isn't. I'm somewhat surprised none of them have been hurt, probably because we seem to treat them with kid gloves in this country. They appear to get treated a bit more roughly abroad.

Just Stop Oil activist superglues themselves to the road? Fine, cordon them off, set up a diversion and leave them there, with the nights getting colder they should soon learn.

Sod that, just run them over.

I would like to but would probably be charged with dangerous driving and, more importantly, may damage my car. They're not worth that!

Elderly lawyer shoots dead two climate protesters blocking highway
@Essexphil


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/elderly-lawyer-shoots-dead-two-185125058.html

I did see that and think how prophetic my post was. I can assure you I had nothing to do with it though. Can @Essexphil confirm whether being told 'go on then, shoot me!' Is actually any defence for doing so? Ironically the road was probably then blocked by paramedics, police and closed as it was a crime scene.

Essexphil

Enut said:

HAYSIE said:

Enut said:

Toffeeandy said:

Enut said:

It amazes me that these people think their antics are doing their cause any good whatsoever, it isn't. I'm somewhat surprised none of them have been hurt, probably because we seem to treat them with kid gloves in this country. They appear to get treated a bit more roughly abroad.

Just Stop Oil activist superglues themselves to the road? Fine, cordon them off, set up a diversion and leave them there, with the nights getting colder they should soon learn.

Sod that, just run them over.

I would like to but would probably be charged with dangerous driving and, more importantly, may damage my car. They're not worth that!

Elderly lawyer shoots dead two climate protesters blocking highway
@Essexphil


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/elderly-lawyer-shoots-dead-two-185125058.html

I did see that and think how prophetic my post was. I can assure you I had nothing to do with it though. Can @Essexphil confirm whether being told 'go on then, shoot me!' Is actually any defence for doing so? Ironically the road was probably then blocked by paramedics, police and closed as it was a crime scene.

My knowledge of Panamanian Law is almost certainly exactly the same as yours

In this country, short answer, no. Reminds me of one of the most famous Murder trials in History...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bentley

Tikay10

Essexphil said:

Enut said:

HAYSIE said:

Enut said:

Toffeeandy said:

Enut said:

It amazes me that these people think their antics are doing their cause any good whatsoever, it isn't. I'm somewhat surprised none of them have been hurt, probably because we seem to treat them with kid gloves in this country. They appear to get treated a bit more roughly abroad.

Just Stop Oil activist superglues themselves to the road? Fine, cordon them off, set up a diversion and leave them there, with the nights getting colder they should soon learn.

Sod that, just run them over.

I would like to but would probably be charged with dangerous driving and, more importantly, may damage my car. They're not worth that!

Elderly lawyer shoots dead two climate protesters blocking highway
@Essexphil


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/elderly-lawyer-shoots-dead-two-185125058.html

I did see that and think how prophetic my post was. I can assure you I had nothing to do with it though. Can @Essexphil confirm whether being told 'go on then, shoot me!' Is actually any defence for doing so? Ironically the road was probably then blocked by paramedics, police and closed as it was a crime scene.

My knowledge of Panamanian Law is almost certainly exactly the same as yours

In this country, short answer, no. Reminds me of one of the most famous Murder trials in History...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bentley

@Essexphil


What a cause celebre that trial was.


"Let him have it"

Which was either "shoot him", or maybe could be interpreted as "give him the gun".

He was eventually pardoned around 40 years later, though it was a little late by then as he'd been hung.

Enut

'Let him 'av it!' I certainly don't think anyone would be convicted of murder let alone sentenced to death based on that evidence nowadays, well not in the UK.

Essexphil

Enut said:

'Let him 'av it!' I certainly don't think anyone would be convicted of murder let alone sentenced to death based on that evidence nowadays, well not in the UK.

The laws relating to Joint Enterprise are complex. He knew they were both carrying loaded guns.

Only doubt in my mind is whether that would be Murder or Manslaughter today. Probably the former until about 2016, and probably the latter now.

The "suspended sentence" would obviously not be applied. And not just because that particular sentence no longer exists.

The reasons making the Bentley case were more than just the wording. The shooter (Craig) was under 18, and not hanged, as mitigation on basis of age was applied. Yet the Jury's recommendation for Mercy (ie no hanging) for Bentley had no relevance under the Law as it then stood.

Essexphil

Tikay10 said:

Essexphil said:

Enut said:

HAYSIE said:

Enut said:

Toffeeandy said:

Enut said:

It amazes me that these people think their antics are doing their cause any good whatsoever, it isn't. I'm somewhat surprised none of them have been hurt, probably because we seem to treat them with kid gloves in this country. They appear to get treated a bit more roughly abroad.

Just Stop Oil activist superglues themselves to the road? Fine, cordon them off, set up a diversion and leave them there, with the nights getting colder they should soon learn.

Sod that, just run them over.

I would like to but would probably be charged with dangerous driving and, more importantly, may damage my car. They're not worth that!

Elderly lawyer shoots dead two climate protesters blocking highway
@Essexphil


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/elderly-lawyer-shoots-dead-two-185125058.html

I did see that and think how prophetic my post was. I can assure you I had nothing to do with it though. Can @Essexphil confirm whether being told 'go on then, shoot me!' Is actually any defence for doing so? Ironically the road was probably then blocked by paramedics, police and closed as it was a crime scene.

My knowledge of Panamanian Law is almost certainly exactly the same as yours

In this country, short answer, no. Reminds me of one of the most famous Murder trials in History...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bentley

@Essexphil


What a cause celebre that trial was.


"Let him have it"

Which was either "shoot him", or maybe could be interpreted as "give him the gun".

He was eventually pardoned around 40 years later, though it was a little late by then as he'd been hung.

It is "hanged". Never "hung".

When I was at University my Criminal Law lecturer loved telling jokes as teaching aids. For this he said:-

"2 women were talking about one's Criminal Husband. 1 said-your husband is a Criminal. Don't know why you stay with him. He should be bl oody well hung. The other replied-oh, he is. That's why I stay with him..."

Different times

Tikay10

Bit of black humour there, suspended sentence...

Enut

Tikay10 said:

Bit of black humour there, suspended sentence...

I did read it twice, initially thinking @Essexphil had gone mad. Although with the courts and prisons as they are now it surely won't be long before someone gets a suspended sentence for murder (rather than a 'suspended' one).

Essexphil

Enut said:

Tikay10 said:

Bit of black humour there, suspended sentence...

I did read it twice, initially thinking @Essexphil had gone mad. Although with the courts and prisons as they are now it surely won't be long before someone gets a suspended sentence for murder (rather than a 'suspended' one).

There is a Mandatory Life sentence for Murder.

Many "life sentences" involve less than 10 years' inside. The average is about 15-20 years. And most "murderers" are a lot less interesting than the ones who make the Headlines. Killed their Partner while High. IQ of under 70.

stokefc

Essexphil said:

Enut said:

Tikay10 said:

Bit of black humour there, suspended sentence...

I did read it twice, initially thinking @Essexphil had gone mad. Although with the courts and prisons as they are now it surely won't be long before someone gets a suspended sentence for murder (rather than a 'suspended' one).

There is a Mandatory Life sentence for Murder.

Many "life sentences" involve less than 10 years' inside. The average is about 15-20 years. And most "murderers" are a lot less interesting than the ones who make the Headlines. Killed their Partner while High. IQ of under 70.

That's me a couple of years ago except the killing bit but nearly so many times

Enut

Essexphil said:

Enut said:

Tikay10 said:

Bit of black humour there, suspended sentence...

I did read it twice, initially thinking @Essexphil had gone mad. Although with the courts and prisons as they are now it surely won't be long before someone gets a suspended sentence for murder (rather than a 'suspended' one).

There is a Mandatory Life sentence for Murder.

Many "life sentences" involve less than 10 years' inside. The average is about 15-20 years. And most "murderers" are a lot less interesting than the ones who make the Headlines. Killed their Partner while High. IQ of under 70.

Ah, the legal profession not really knowing the definition of 'life'! I wonder what percentage of murderers actually spend the rest of their life in prison, I would suspect a very low percentage, maybe only those that are deemed clinically insane, but then they are probably convicted of manslaughter aren't they?

Enut

Just reread that, certainly not having a go at you Phil, just the top of the legal system and Government who like to keep the phrase 'life sentence' when it is often far from that.

Tikay10

There are - apparently - only about 70 "whole life prisoners" in UK jails according to this very interesting Wiki page. Quite an interesting list, too, of which 9 were sentenced in the last two years.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole_life_orders#:~:text=By 2023, there were believed,baby serial killer, Lucy Letby.

tomgoodun

Tikay10 said:

There are - apparently - only about 70 "whole life prisoners" in UK jails according to this very interesting Wiki page. Quite an interesting list, too, of which 9 were sentenced in the last two years.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole_life_orders#:~:text=By 2023, there were believed,baby serial killer, Lucy Letby.

I would suggest the ‘whole of life’ sentence parameters are set by the government of day in relation to how many votes it would gain them.
Tom, old aged cynic.