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Police Told To Make Fewer Arrests To Help Jails.

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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,365
    Tikay10 said:



    @Enut


    No need to apologise for the "rant", it was a great post actually.

    I can barely believe the whole story & I'm staggered it's not the "lead" headline in every news media platform, Print, TV & Digital.

    Teacher charged over coconut poster of Sunak and Braverman at London pro-Palestinian march


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/teacher-charged-over-coconut-poster-155850554.html
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,368
    Calling someone from an Asian or Afro-Caribbean background a "coconut" is a racial slur. Designed to cause offence.

    There are terms used about other races that can, on occasion, be entirely innocent. A lot depends on whether someone is trying to belittle and/or offend.

    In that particular context, I fail to see how that poster can possibly be anything other than a racial slur. Disgusting.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,365
    Essexphil said:

    Calling someone from an Asian or Afro-Caribbean background a "coconut" is a racial slur. Designed to cause offence.

    There are terms used about other races that can, on occasion, be entirely innocent. A lot depends on whether someone is trying to belittle and/or offend.

    In that particular context, I fail to see how that poster can possibly be anything other than a racial slur. Disgusting.

    I just wondered where it featured in the scheme of things.
    They dont attend burglaries.
    You can shoplift as much as you want, as long as you stay under the limit.
    But for Gods sake, dont get caught with a coconut poster, because you will be arrested.
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,368
    edited May 22
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Calling someone from an Asian or Afro-Caribbean background a "coconut" is a racial slur. Designed to cause offence.

    There are terms used about other races that can, on occasion, be entirely innocent. A lot depends on whether someone is trying to belittle and/or offend.

    In that particular context, I fail to see how that poster can possibly be anything other than a racial slur. Disgusting.

    I just wondered where it featured in the scheme of things.
    They dont attend burglaries.
    You can shoplift as much as you want, as long as you stay under the limit.
    But for Gods sake, dont get caught with a coconut poster, because you will be arrested.
    You don't think that is a racially aggravated offence?

    Call any non-White person a Coconut.

    See what happens next.

    I will defend the right of any supporter of Palestine or Israel the right to peacefully protest. Not to use racial slurs.

    That's when riots start.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,365
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Calling someone from an Asian or Afro-Caribbean background a "coconut" is a racial slur. Designed to cause offence.

    There are terms used about other races that can, on occasion, be entirely innocent. A lot depends on whether someone is trying to belittle and/or offend.

    In that particular context, I fail to see how that poster can possibly be anything other than a racial slur. Disgusting.

    I just wondered where it featured in the scheme of things.
    They dont attend burglaries.
    You can shoplift as much as you want, as long as you stay under the limit.
    But for Gods sake, dont get caught with a coconut poster, because you will be arrested.
    You don't think that is a racially aggravated offence?

    Call any non-White person a Coconut.

    See what happens next.
    Why would you want to twist what I said?
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,368
    I'm not "twisting" what you said.

    You believe that people going on racially sensitive marches, who use racist slurs while doing so, is less important than shoplifting.

    And I don't share that view.
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    tai-gartai-gar Member Posts: 2,630
    Tikay10 said:

    Essexphil said:

    Why can't all the assets seized under Pace be used to fund the much needed upgrade in the system. By all accounts its £Billions each year.

    Or is that expecting common sense.

    The assets seized tend not to have much value. Unless you want to be a drug dealer ;)

    The "system" is told it has to be self-financing. Which is why lots of Courts are shut. Small police stations are sold. And most larger ones are no longer open to the Public.
    Many Police Stations these days are PFI financed. Or, put another way, the businesses who finance, build & maintain them all make lots of lovely money, & the Police pay way over the odds. In my (proper) working days I was Contract Manager for a PFI financed new-build Police Station. I still shudder at the thought of how illogical & financially inefficient (for the Police) it all was. And to this day, the Police are still paying for it.

    Absolutely. PFI was just a means of reducing capital funding at the GREAT expense of maintenance budgets.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,365
    Essexphil said:

    I'm not "twisting" what you said.

    You believe that people going on racially sensitive marches, who use racist slurs while doing so, is less important than shoplifting.

    And I don't share that view.

    The police having a good record of arresting people carrying offensive posters is unlikely to put the general public at ease.
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,368
    edited May 22
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I'm not "twisting" what you said.

    You believe that people going on racially sensitive marches, who use racist slurs while doing so, is less important than shoplifting.

    And I don't share that view.

    The police having a good record of arresting people carrying offensive posters is unlikely to put the general public at ease.
    But stopping Race Riots from happening will.

    Rishi Sunak is a Hindu. Not exactly the traditional Ally of Muslims.

    Suella Braverman is a Buddhist, but married to a Jewish man who has previously lived in Israel, and openly admits that he has relatives in the Israeli Defence Forces.

    Not a particular fan of either of the 2. But they do not deserve to have their cultural identity attacked in this way.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,365
    Essexphil said:

    I'm not "twisting" what you said.

    You believe that people going on racially sensitive marches, who use racist slurs while doing so, is less important than shoplifting.

    And I don't share that view.

    I think you were.
    Also my understanding of the term coconut, is that it is usually used by a non white person in respect of another non white person, and is therefore not necessarily racially motivated.
    It just seems ironic that this arrest took place on the same day as the article that kicked off this thread.
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,368
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I'm not "twisting" what you said.

    You believe that people going on racially sensitive marches, who use racist slurs while doing so, is less important than shoplifting.

    And I don't share that view.

    I think you were.
    Also my understanding of the term coconut, is that it is usually used by a non white person in respect of another non white person, and is therefore not necessarily racially motivated.
    It just seems ironic that this arrest took place on the same day as the article that kicked off this thread.
    Really?

    It is used by a non-White person. To another non-White person.

    To say that someone is only pretending to be loyal to their roots. And is secretly doing anything they can to betray their own in support of White people, to the detriment of their own ethnicity.

    For most non-White people, it is the worst insult there is. Far worse than the racial slurs White people use.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,365
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I'm not "twisting" what you said.

    You believe that people going on racially sensitive marches, who use racist slurs while doing so, is less important than shoplifting.

    And I don't share that view.

    I think you were.
    Also my understanding of the term coconut, is that it is usually used by a non white person in respect of another non white person, and is therefore not necessarily racially motivated.
    It just seems ironic that this arrest took place on the same day as the article that kicked off this thread.
    Really?

    It is used by a non-White person. To another non-White person.

    To say that someone is only pretending to be loyal to their roots. And is secretly doing anything they can to betray their own in support of White people, to the detriment of their own ethnicity.

    For most non-White people, it is the worst insult there is. Far worse than the racial slurs White people use.
    I think you will find that the person carrying the poster is not white.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,365
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I'm not "twisting" what you said.

    You believe that people going on racially sensitive marches, who use racist slurs while doing so, is less important than shoplifting.

    And I don't share that view.

    I think you were.
    Also my understanding of the term coconut, is that it is usually used by a non white person in respect of another non white person, and is therefore not necessarily racially motivated.
    It just seems ironic that this arrest took place on the same day as the article that kicked off this thread.
    Really?

    It is used by a non-White person. To another non-White person.

    To say that someone is only pretending to be loyal to their roots. And is secretly doing anything they can to betray their own in support of White people, to the detriment of their own ethnicity.

    For most non-White people, it is the worst insult there is. Far worse than the racial slurs White people use.
    In Bristol, a black councillor, Shirley Brown, has been found guilty of racial harrassment for calling her Asian political opponent a 'coconut'. The term coconut, has been used to accuse someone of betraying their race, or culture, by implying that, like a coconut, they are brown on the outside but white on the inside.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,365
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I'm not "twisting" what you said.

    You believe that people going on racially sensitive marches, who use racist slurs while doing so, is less important than shoplifting.

    And I don't share that view.

    I think you were.
    Also my understanding of the term coconut, is that it is usually used by a non white person in respect of another non white person, and is therefore not necessarily racially motivated.
    It just seems ironic that this arrest took place on the same day as the article that kicked off this thread.
    Really?

    It is used by a non-White person. To another non-White person.

    To say that someone is only pretending to be loyal to their roots. And is secretly doing anything they can to betray their own in support of White people, to the detriment of their own ethnicity.

    For most non-White people, it is the worst insult there is. Far worse than the racial slurs White people use.
    In Bristol, a black councillor, Shirley Brown, has been found guilty of racial harrassment for calling her Asian political opponent a 'coconut'. The term coconut, has been used to accuse someone of betraying their race, or culture, by implying that, like a coconut, they are brown on the outside but white on the inside.
    It is one of the most insulting things one black person can say to another (though in this case the victim was asian not black). Ask some successful black individuals, if you have any black friends, what they think of the term (they are likely to have received the insult at some time), and watch the steam come out of their ears.
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    stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,697
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I'm not "twisting" what you said.

    You believe that people going on racially sensitive marches, who use racist slurs while doing so, is less important than shoplifting.

    And I don't share that view.

    I think you were.
    Also my understanding of the term coconut, is that it is usually used by a non white person in respect of another non white person, and is therefore not necessarily racially motivated.
    It just seems ironic that this arrest took place on the same day as the article that kicked off this thread.
    Really?

    It is used by a non-White person. To another non-White person.

    To say that someone is only pretending to be loyal to their roots. And is secretly doing anything they can to betray their own in support of White people, to the detriment of their own ethnicity.

    For most non-White people, it is the worst insult there is. Far worse than the racial slurs White people use.
    In Bristol, a black councillor, Shirley Brown, has been found guilty of racial harrassment for calling her Asian political opponent a 'coconut'. The term coconut, has been used to accuse someone of betraying their race, or culture, by implying that, like a coconut, they are brown on the outside but white on the inside.
    Jesus , racism is racism regardless of who's saying it , what's wrong with people
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,368
    stokefc said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I'm not "twisting" what you said.

    You believe that people going on racially sensitive marches, who use racist slurs while doing so, is less important than shoplifting.

    And I don't share that view.

    I think you were.
    Also my understanding of the term coconut, is that it is usually used by a non white person in respect of another non white person, and is therefore not necessarily racially motivated.
    It just seems ironic that this arrest took place on the same day as the article that kicked off this thread.
    Really?

    It is used by a non-White person. To another non-White person.

    To say that someone is only pretending to be loyal to their roots. And is secretly doing anything they can to betray their own in support of White people, to the detriment of their own ethnicity.

    For most non-White people, it is the worst insult there is. Far worse than the racial slurs White people use.
    In Bristol, a black councillor, Shirley Brown, has been found guilty of racial harrassment for calling her Asian political opponent a 'coconut'. The term coconut, has been used to accuse someone of betraying their race, or culture, by implying that, like a coconut, they are brown on the outside but white on the inside.
    Jesus , racism is racism regardless of who's saying it , what's wrong with people
    It's not "who"-it is "why" someone says it.

    If a White person uses that term, they may be trying to be funny.
    Whereas a non-White person tends to be using it as a declaration of War
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,368
    HAYSIE said:



    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I'm not "twisting" what you said.

    You believe that people going on racially sensitive marches, who use racist slurs while doing so, is less important than shoplifting.

    And I don't share that view.

    I think you were.
    Also my understanding of the term coconut, is that it is usually used by a non white person in respect of another non white person, and is therefore not necessarily racially motivated.
    It just seems ironic that this arrest took place on the same day as the article that kicked off this thread.
    Really?

    It is used by a non-White person. To another non-White person.

    To say that someone is only pretending to be loyal to their roots. And is secretly doing anything they can to betray their own in support of White people, to the detriment of their own ethnicity.

    For most non-White people, it is the worst insult there is. Far worse than the racial slurs White people use.
    In Bristol, a black councillor, Shirley Brown, has been found guilty of racial harrassment for calling her Asian political opponent a 'coconut'. The term coconut, has been used to accuse someone of betraying their race, or culture, by implying that, like a coconut, they are brown on the outside but white on the inside.
    It is one of the most insulting things one black person can say to another (though in this case the victim was asian not black). Ask some successful black individuals, if you have any black friends, what they think of the term (they are likely to have received the insult at some time), and watch the steam come out of their ears.
    Exactly that.
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    EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,339
    edited May 22
    Let's consider the 'N' word. Certain parts of the black community use it frequently when referring to each other. If a white person used it they would probably end up in trouble or even arrested.

    Even the correct term for a non white person has changed, it used to be racist to call someone black, the preferred word was 'coloured'. Now if you use the term coloured you are racist, yet the term 'of colour' is acceptable, as is black. I think that changed about 20 years ago maybe more.

    It can be a bit of a nightmare, even for people who have no intention of insulting anyone, but I agree with @Essexphil, that poster was offensive and meant to be so, whether it should have resulted in the young lady being charged is another thing. One does wonder, as a teacher, what she is teaching our children though.


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    TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,458
    During the Falklands War as a laddish 18 year old, I had a t shirt which said simply F*** Argentina. I wore it everywhere. One Friday afternoon I was approached by a copper in the City Centre (Hanley) and told to either remove it or cover it up. I declined as I had no intention of walking into pubs bare chested, it was summer and I was up for a session, and was threatened with arrest on the grounds that it was offensive. I challenged him to find somebody who found it offensive and if he could, I would remove it immediately.

    Whilst having this back and forth a man runs out of C&A chased by a store detective and the pair then start rolling around on the floor. I look inquisitively at the copper who appears to ignore the altercation. I ask him if he's going to do anything about it but he replies that at the moment he's busy dealing with me.

    I take the t shirt off, drop it on the ground, I didn't want it ripped, pile in to assist the store detective, help him restrain the guy and then as the officer is now forced to intervene and handcuff the miscreant, I move to one side, pick up my shirt, put it on and walk away smiling to myself and whistling Don't Cry For Me Argentina.

    Even as far back as 1982 The Police seemed to have it all 4rse about face.
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    TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,458
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I'm not "twisting" what you said.

    You believe that people going on racially sensitive marches, who use racist slurs while doing so, is less important than shoplifting.

    And I don't share that view.

    I think you were.
    Also my understanding of the term coconut, is that it is usually used by a non white person in respect of another non white person, and is therefore not necessarily racially motivated.
    It just seems ironic that this arrest took place on the same day as the article that kicked off this thread.
    Really?

    It is used by a non-White person. To another non-White person.

    To say that someone is only pretending to be loyal to their roots. And is secretly doing anything they can to betray their own in support of White people, to the detriment of their own ethnicity.

    For most non-White people, it is the worst insult there is. Far worse than the racial slurs White people use.
    I think you will find that the person carrying the poster is not white.
    That's why it is such an insult, akin to black people calling each other "An Uncle Tom" people get killed over that sh1t
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