@gogogadget I also have spells of trying to play too many games with too many late nights, burning out then taking extended breaks not knowing if I'll play the same volume (or at least the same schedule) again the next time I start up. I'm currently hoping that we can at least get the mini brought forward an hour but in an ideal world I'd love to see the whole Sky schedule reworked based on length of tournament/start-finish times with the end goal of allowing more players to play more tournaments in that evening session whilst also offering an earlier finish time without players unregistering from some later tournaments if some tournaments which are currently in the beginning or middle of their session don't go well. They might also begin to register tournaments they wouldn't have previously because they were poorly placed in the schedule and run too late. I'm not necessarily going to be representative of your average Sky Poker tournament player - I likely play more tournaments in a week than many players here but there are also many players playing 2/3/4/5x the number of games I'm playing. From my point of view though, just with some simple rearranging of existing tournaments in the schedule, I would likely invest somewhere around £30 more in Sky MTT's every session and I'm frequently playing 4 or 5 sessions a week. As you say as well, if the schedule also offered earlier start, or at least earlier finish times, players (like us at least and I'm not saying we are representative or in the majority) would be less likely to burnout and take breaks from that schedule, thus investing more money both in the short and longer term.
I know that there is a lot going on at the moment.....but a little further 'Food for Thought'
How about a ' SET of MINI's '
6.30pm ...... Early Mini £1000 (renaming the 6.30pm BH)
7.30pm ...... Main Mini £1500
8.30pm ...... Speed Mini £1000
Still combining FTJ for the Main and the Main Mini as it is now......
...but introducing a ' SET of MINI's' Final Table Jackpot for/ to encourage the smaller Buy-in players.
- for making all three Final Tables........
- Winning TWO out of THREE ......
- and obviously a LOVELY PRIZE for WINNING ALL THREE
Thoughts folks ?
What have you been smoking?
You should know how much I hate SMOKING ..... having had to endure your office on too many occasions
just following what @Tikay10 asked for ........ and OP @MynaFrett likes the idea too
Tikay10 said:
I've sent this thread up to the Poker Manager.
Keep the feedback coming.
I wouldnt be holding your breath on 3 minis.
The 6.30pm Tournament is already there, just not called a Mini........yet
The majority of responders to the Poll on moving the normal (Main) Mini, would prefer it to run earlier at 7.30pm......so it may happen
.....and all it would involve is introducing a Speed Mini at 8.30pm, where the Normal Mini is, but would finish earlier .....which seems like a good idea
.........as for a Set of Mini's FTJ ...... that might be one where I might die whilst 'Holding my Breath'
...... but I certainly think it's worth mentioning ..... especially for us Smaller Stakes Players
I know that there is a lot going on at the moment.....but a little further 'Food for Thought'
How about a ' SET of MINI's '
6.30pm ...... Early Mini £1000 (renaming the 6.30pm BH)
7.30pm ...... Main Mini £1500
8.30pm ...... Speed Mini £1000
Still combining FTJ for the Main and the Main Mini as it is now......
...but introducing a ' SET of MINI's' Final Table Jackpot for/ to encourage the smaller Buy-in players.
- for making all three Final Tables........
- Winning TWO out of THREE ......
- and obviously a LOVELY PRIZE for WINNING ALL THREE
Thoughts folks ?
What have you been smoking?
You should know how much I hate SMOKING ..... having had to endure your office on too many occasions
just following what @Tikay10 asked for ........ and OP @MynaFrett likes the idea too
Tikay10 said:
I've sent this thread up to the Poker Manager.
Keep the feedback coming.
I wouldnt be holding your breath on 3 minis.
The 6.30pm Tournament is already there, just not called a Mini........yet
Right so its already going quite successfully. Nobody is moaning about it, except you. Everyone seems happy with the starting time, and the finishing time. Your only complaint appears to be that it is not called a mini yet.
The majority of responders to the Poll on moving the normal (Main) Mini, would prefer it to run earlier at 7.30pm......so it may happen
How many exactly? The small number that have responded have said they might like the 8.30 to start earlier
.....and all it would involve is introducing a Speed Mini at 8.30pm, where the Normal Mini is, but would finish earlier .....which seems like a good idea
How would the introduction of a speed mini at 8.30, benefit the 6.30 tourney? And some of the responders were dead against altering the blind structure
.........as for a Set of Mini's FTJ ...... that might be one where I might die whilst 'Holding my Breath'
You dont actually play any one of them. So how many of the set of minis would you be planning to play on a daily basis? Because I think it would be none, zero, zilch, not one.
...... but I certainly think it's worth mentioning ..... especially for us Smaller Stakes Players </p>
You dont have a dog in the fight. Some of the responders had a genuine point regarding the 8.30 minis finishing time, but you regularly play a tourney that starts at 1am. How does just renaming an existing tourney with the same buy in help any of the smaller stakes players? You dont play bounty hunters.
I must admit that I dont get up every Sunday morning and get depressed over the possibility of being up until 3 am because I might be heads up in the Major. If only it could happen every week. Or the way things have been going lately, if only it could happen now again.
I also tend not to depress myself over the possibility of being up until late in the week, due to the possibility of being on the FT of the main.
However I can see that a tourney finishing late may be a problem for some players. If it was me, I wouldnt play it under protest, I would choose to play a different tourney. If I had a magic wand and could change anything about the mini, it would be to try the Friday format on another night, to see if it worked. Thats it.
I usually just play the mini on a Friday. Although I have recently played it on a few more nights. I must admit that the results of these efforts have deprived me of no sleep whatsoever.
For those that need to be in bed early there are other tourneys.
I do appreciate that there are a small number of players that have contributed to this thread, that have said they would appreciate an earlier start. It would be interesting to see how popular this was. It would make no difference to me, but I am not sure how it affects the majority of other players. Maybe Sky should try it on one night and see if the number of runners rockets. Although I have my doubts. If it just suits a group of players to get to bed a little earlier, rather than attract new players, nothing will be achieved. As far as the main and the mini are concerned, I think they provide variety, and some nights you have a big stack, other nights they are turbos. I thnk it would do harm to tamper with the formats of the tourneys, and that a bit of variety is good. I think that you also have a group of the better player that play the mini, with only the FT bonus in mind, and any tampering with that may be counter productive. If there was a concensus that any particular tourney was finishing too late, you would surely just start it earlier. On the basis of if its not broke..........
Ending up with a giraffe when you are trying to design a horse is a bad idea.
Right so its already going quite successfully. Nobody is moaning about it, except you.
Is it really ? The numbers in the 6.30pm BH have dwindled from when I used to play it, and subsequently the Guarantee has been reduced .....though I did see it made £995 tonight. .....as for me MOANING about it...... I have never moaned about it once. I just choose not to play it anymore.
How would the introduction of a speed mini at 8.30, benefit the 6.30 tourney? And some of the responders were dead against altering the blind structure
I don't know why you are asking this. I never said a Speed Mini would benefit the 6.30pm BH. it was a Tournament that I thought sounded good when @Essexphil mentioned it, though I personally do think that having a three-linked Tournament FTJ for the smaller buy-in Rec's, may well enhance numbers, when they are in decline on SKYPoker sadly..... it certainly wouldn't make the numbers any less.
You dont actually play any one of them. So how many of the set of minis would you be planning to play on a daily basis? Because I think it would be none, zero, zilch, not one.
I actually occasionally do.... and I used to play the 6.30pm BH fairly regularly, as well as the Mini Gold Rush, and occasionally one of the other Mini's ..... and this is exactly the point of my post. Surely I am one of the players that need encouraging back to play the Mini's, as well as other smaller buy-in Tournaments.
Having a three-linked Tournament would give them a better identity ( both @MynaFrett and myself didn't even know there was a Tournament at 7.30pm ).... and I certainly would be very interested in playing Tournaments with a Great Incentive to play all three...... so although I might not have 'a dog in this fight' ......perhaps I should be encouraged to buy one.
All I posted was an idea, and I don't think I should be criticised for putting up that idea on a Discussion Forum..... especially one that would encourage me to play more on here.
How can you knock a grand prizepool for a fiver buy in? If you are playing fiver buy in tourneys, why wouldnt you play it? Particularly when it finishes early enough.
I have never moaned about it once. I just choose not to play it anymore.
So why would you do that?
I actually occasionally do.... and I used to play the 6.30pm BH fairly regularly, as well as the Mini Gold Rush, and occasionally one of the other Mini's .
So why did you stop?
On the other hand if the only drawback to the mini is the late finish then why arent more players playing the 6.30?
Why dont you playing the minis, and the 6.30, when you regularly play a tourney that starts at 1 am.?
If you linked 3 mini tourneys, does that mean you would unlink the main from the mini? Because that would probably be quite unpopular. Or would you link the 3 minis to the main? Probably equally unpopular.
A chunk of the players that play the main, probably only enter the current mini because of the FT jackpot. So if you unlinked the main from the mini, then the mini would probably lose out substantially.
. it certainly wouldn't make the numbers any less. It may well do. If you introduce a new tourney at 7.30, it may well draw players from the other two. You cant have it both ways. You can either cater for players with smaller bank rolls, or you can introduce new tourneys, and obligate them to play all three, by linking them.
I never said a Speed Mini would benefit the 6.30pm BH.
Then why would you call the 6.30 a mini?
I actually occasionally do.
The odd player occasionally playing a mini will do nothing to affect the numbers. Players with smaller bankrolls have been regularly referred to in this thread. I am not sure what constitutes a small bankroll. But I could imagine someone who is happy to spend a fiver per day on the mini. So what do they do? Do they play the three for a couple of nights, or just carry on playing the mini every night. If you have a smaller bankroll, you will be limited in the number of tourneys you can play.
If there is a problem, I am saying that because Sky dont seem panicked into making any immediate drastic changes. There was a similar problem in the mains, but this was pretty much solved by allowing a re-entry. Some nights there will be a grands worth of re-entries.
Having a three-linked Tournament would give them a better identity
I think you will find that most poker players would prefer money to a better identity.
Surely I am one of the players that need encouraging back to play the Mini's, as well as other smaller buy-in Tournaments.
Why on earth would you think you need encouragement?
both @MynaFrett and myself didn't even know there was a Tournament at 7.30pm )..
And whose fault is that?
and I certainly would be very interested in playing Tournaments with a Great Incentive to play all three.
How many days per weeek would you play all three?
I am not sure what sort of increase in the number of runners you would expect from this master plan. Lets say you can get 20, thats £100 in the prizepool. Nobody would notice the difference. In fact on Wednesday this week, you needed an extra 52 players to cover the guarantee. So if you could have increased by 52 there would have been no difference in the prizepool. The irony is that if the numbers did rocket, you would have to start it earlier again.
I do appreciate that there are a small number of players that have contributed to this thread, that have said they would appreciate an earlier start. It would be interesting to see how popular this was. It would make no difference to me, but I am not sure how it affects the majority of other players. Maybe Sky should try it on one night and see if the number of runners rockets. Although I have my doubts. If it just suits a group of players to get to bed a little earlier, rather than attract new players, nothing will be achieved. As far as the main and the mini are concerned, I think they provide variety, and some nights you have a big stack, other nights they are turbos. I thnk it would do harm to tamper with the formats of the tourneys, and that a bit of variety is good. I think that you also have a group of the better player that play the mini, with only the FT bonus in mind, and any tampering with that may be counter productive. If there was a concensus that any particular tourney was finishing too late, you would surely just start it earlier. On the basis of if its not broke..........
All I posted was an idea, and I don't think I should be criticised for putting up that idea on a Discussion Forum..... especially one that would encourage me to play more on here.
All I posted was an idea, and I don't think I should be criticised for putting up that idea on a Discussion Forum..... especially one that would encourage me to play more on here.
All I posted was an idea, and I don't think I should be criticised for putting up that idea on a Discussion Forum..... especially one that would encourage me to play more on here.
You didn't answer this one
forum [ˈfɔːrəm] noun a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged:
All I posted was an idea, and I don't think I should be criticised for putting up that idea on a Discussion Forum..... especially one that would encourage me to play more on here.
You didn't answer this one
You pretty much answered it yourself. ...as for a Set of Mini's FTJ ...... that might be one where I might die whilst 'Holding my Breath'
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I'm currently hoping that we can at least get the mini brought forward an hour but in an ideal world I'd love to see the whole Sky schedule reworked based on length of tournament/start-finish times with the end goal of allowing more players to play more tournaments in that evening session whilst also offering an earlier finish time without players unregistering from some later tournaments if some tournaments which are currently in the beginning or middle of their session don't go well. They might also begin to register tournaments they wouldn't have previously because they were poorly placed in the schedule and run too late.
I'm not necessarily going to be representative of your average Sky Poker tournament player - I likely play more tournaments in a week than many players here but there are also many players playing 2/3/4/5x the number of games I'm playing. From my point of view though, just with some simple rearranging of existing tournaments in the schedule, I would likely invest somewhere around £30 more in Sky MTT's every session and I'm frequently playing 4 or 5 sessions a week.
As you say as well, if the schedule also offered earlier start, or at least earlier finish times, players (like us at least and I'm not saying we are representative or in the majority) would be less likely to burnout and take breaks from that schedule, thus investing more money both in the short and longer term.
No idea, he has not commented, he's exceptionally busy at the moment. If chance permits, I'll ask him in Brighton over the weekend.
How about a ' SET of MINI's '
6.30pm ...... Early Mini £1000 (renaming the 6.30pm BH)
7.30pm ...... Main Mini £1500
8.30pm ...... Speed Mini £1000
Still combining FTJ for the Main and the Main Mini as it is now......
...but introducing a ' SET of MINI's' Final Table Jackpot for/ to encourage the smaller Buy-in players.
- for making all three Final Tables........
- Winning TWO out of THREE ......
- and obviously a LOVELY PRIZE for WINNING ALL THREE
Thoughts folks ?
If @Doubleme wasnt on holiday he would be rooting for a Winnie Mini.
just following what @Tikay10 asked for ........ and OP @MynaFrett likes the idea too
Tikay10 said:
I've sent this thread up to the Poker Manager.
Keep the feedback coming.
The majority of responders to the Poll on moving the normal (Main) Mini, would prefer it to run earlier at 7.30pm......so it may happen
.....and all it would involve is introducing a Speed Mini at 8.30pm, where the Normal Mini is, but would finish earlier .....which seems like a good idea
.........as for a Set of Mini's FTJ ...... that might be one where I might die whilst 'Holding my Breath'
...... but I certainly think it's worth mentioning ..... especially for us Smaller Stakes Players
Some of the responders had a genuine point regarding the 8.30 minis finishing time, but you regularly play a tourney that starts at 1am.
How does just renaming an existing tourney with the same buy in help any of the smaller stakes players?
You dont play bounty hunters.
If only it could happen every week.
Or the way things have been going lately, if only it could happen now again.
I also tend not to depress myself over the possibility of being up until late in the week, due to the possibility of being on the FT of the main.
However I can see that a tourney finishing late may be a problem for some players.
If it was me, I wouldnt play it under protest, I would choose to play a different tourney.
If I had a magic wand and could change anything about the mini, it would be to try the Friday format on another night, to see if it worked.
Thats it.
I usually just play the mini on a Friday.
Although I have recently played it on a few more nights.
I must admit that the results of these efforts have deprived me of no sleep whatsoever.
For those that need to be in bed early there are other tourneys.
I do appreciate that there are a small number of players that have contributed to this thread, that have said they would appreciate an earlier start.
It would be interesting to see how popular this was.
It would make no difference to me, but I am not sure how it affects the majority of other players.
Maybe Sky should try it on one night and see if the number of runners rockets.
Although I have my doubts.
If it just suits a group of players to get to bed a little earlier, rather than attract new players, nothing will be achieved.
As far as the main and the mini are concerned, I think they provide variety, and some nights you have a big stack, other nights they are turbos.
I thnk it would do harm to tamper with the formats of the tourneys, and that a bit of variety is good.
I think that you also have a group of the better player that play the mini, with only the FT bonus in mind, and any tampering with that may be counter productive.
If there was a concensus that any particular tourney was finishing too late, you would surely just start it earlier.
On the basis of if its not broke..........
Ending up with a giraffe when you are trying to design a horse is a bad idea.
Nobody is moaning about it, except you.
Is it really ? The numbers in the 6.30pm BH have dwindled from when I used to play it, and subsequently the Guarantee has been reduced .....though I did see it made £995 tonight.
.....as for me MOANING about it...... I have never moaned about it once. I just choose not to play it anymore.
How would the introduction of a speed mini at 8.30, benefit the 6.30 tourney?
And some of the responders were dead against altering the blind structure
I don't know why you are asking this. I never said a Speed Mini would benefit the 6.30pm BH. it was a Tournament that I thought sounded good when @Essexphil mentioned it, though I personally do think that having a three-linked Tournament FTJ for the smaller buy-in Rec's, may well enhance numbers, when they are in decline on SKYPoker sadly..... it certainly wouldn't make the numbers any less.
You dont actually play any one of them.
So how many of the set of minis would you be planning to play on a daily basis?
Because I think it would be none, zero, zilch, not one.
I actually occasionally do.... and I used to play the 6.30pm BH fairly regularly, as well as the Mini Gold Rush, and occasionally one of the other Mini's ..... and this is exactly the point of my post. Surely I am one of the players that need encouraging back to play the Mini's, as well as other smaller buy-in Tournaments.
Having a three-linked Tournament would give them a better identity ( both @MynaFrett and myself didn't even know there was a Tournament at 7.30pm ).... and I certainly would be very interested in playing Tournaments with a Great Incentive to play all three...... so although I might not have 'a dog in this fight' ......perhaps I should be encouraged to buy one.
All I posted was an idea, and I don't think I should be criticised for putting up that idea on a Discussion Forum..... especially one that would encourage me to play more on here.
If you are playing fiver buy in tourneys, why wouldnt you play it?
Particularly when it finishes early enough.
I have never moaned about it once. I just choose not to play it anymore.
So why would you do that?
I actually occasionally do.... and I used to play the 6.30pm BH fairly regularly, as well as the Mini Gold Rush, and occasionally one of the other Mini's .
So why did you stop?
On the other hand if the only drawback to the mini is the late finish then why arent more players playing the 6.30?
Why dont you playing the minis, and the 6.30, when you regularly play a tourney that starts at 1 am.?
If you linked 3 mini tourneys, does that mean you would unlink the main from the mini?
Because that would probably be quite unpopular.
Or would you link the 3 minis to the main?
Probably equally unpopular.
A chunk of the players that play the main, probably only enter the current mini because of the FT jackpot.
So if you unlinked the main from the mini, then the mini would probably lose out substantially.
. it certainly wouldn't make the numbers any less.
It may well do.
If you introduce a new tourney at 7.30, it may well draw players from the other two.
You cant have it both ways.
You can either cater for players with smaller bank rolls, or you can introduce new tourneys, and obligate them to play all three, by linking them.
I never said a Speed Mini would benefit the 6.30pm BH.
Then why would you call the 6.30 a mini?
I actually occasionally do.
The odd player occasionally playing a mini will do nothing to affect the numbers.
Players with smaller bankrolls have been regularly referred to in this thread.
I am not sure what constitutes a small bankroll.
But I could imagine someone who is happy to spend a fiver per day on the mini.
So what do they do?
Do they play the three for a couple of nights, or just carry on playing the mini every night.
If you have a smaller bankroll, you will be limited in the number of tourneys you can play.
If there is a problem, I am saying that because Sky dont seem panicked into making any immediate drastic changes.
There was a similar problem in the mains, but this was pretty much solved by allowing a re-entry.
Some nights there will be a grands worth of re-entries.
Having a three-linked Tournament would give them a better identity
I think you will find that most poker players would prefer money to a better identity.
Surely I am one of the players that need encouraging back to play the Mini's, as well as other smaller buy-in Tournaments.
Why on earth would you think you need encouragement?
both @MynaFrett and myself didn't even know there was a Tournament at 7.30pm )..
And whose fault is that?
and I certainly would be very interested in playing Tournaments with a Great Incentive to play all three.
How many days per weeek would you play all three?
I am not sure what sort of increase in the number of runners you would expect from this master plan.
Lets say you can get 20, thats £100 in the prizepool.
Nobody would notice the difference.
In fact on Wednesday this week, you needed an extra 52 players to cover the guarantee.
So if you could have increased by 52 there would have been no difference in the prizepool.
The irony is that if the numbers did rocket, you would have to start it earlier again.
I do appreciate that there are a small number of players that have contributed to this thread, that have said they would appreciate an earlier start.
It would be interesting to see how popular this was.
It would make no difference to me, but I am not sure how it affects the majority of other players.
Maybe Sky should try it on one night and see if the number of runners rockets.
Although I have my doubts.
If it just suits a group of players to get to bed a little earlier, rather than attract new players, nothing will be achieved.
As far as the main and the mini are concerned, I think they provide variety, and some nights you have a big stack, other nights they are turbos.
I thnk it would do harm to tamper with the formats of the tourneys, and that a bit of variety is good.
I think that you also have a group of the better player that play the mini, with only the FT bonus in mind, and any tampering with that may be counter productive.
If there was a concensus that any particular tourney was finishing too late, you would surely just start it earlier.
On the basis of if its not broke..........
All I posted was an idea, and I don't think I should be criticised for putting up that idea on a Discussion Forum..... especially one that would encourage me to play more on here.
You didn't answer this one
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noun
a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged:
So where do you think you should be criticised then?
...as for a Set of Mini's FTJ ...... that might be one where I might die whilst 'Holding my Breath'