Cheerz lads for the feedback on the hand itself... Now what would you do in my position? - I have to go all the way right???? Or not? And also, is my decision here different in a ring game than in a tourny? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
I'll take a stab at this. Take my comments with a pinch of salt because I'm no expert.
1. They both have you out-chipped so there is no side-pot that you can win so you need to defeat both hands to get ANY return on your money. 2. When you raise to £11.20, you don't know that you are going to get action from both players and you are trying to isolate (or take the pot there and then) - this is a good move as far as I'm concerned. 3. When they both go all-in you are getting better than 4/1 on your money so I'm definitely calling in a cash game. 4. You are dead to someone holding T8 (or TT) but that would be unlucky and a risk that you have to take. 5. Your hand isn't going to improve (apart from the case 8) and ANY other turn/river card could beat you so there's no point waiting for the turn/river before "potting it" unless you want to take a chance that neither of your opponents hits their outs on the turn.
I might play it differently in a tournament (and certainly in a satellite) if I was nearing a significant bubble.
Hi guys I have question regarding Omaha and DYM, firstly I normally work off a bankroll rule of 5% of my BR per buy in, I was thinking that DYM games may leave room for a slightly modified percentage given that the swings are less so does anyone have a opinion on this and maybe an idea of what percent is more suited to DYM??
second question is in them DYM games that drag out till say all six are still there at level 8 and everyone is short stacked what are the best sort of hands to stick it all in with like with hold em ICM, pairs, decent aces etc my thinking has been middle connecting cards and obv high pairs
Hi guys I have question regarding Omaha and DYM, firstly I normally work off a bankroll rule of 5% of my BR per buy in, I was thinking that DYM games may leave room for a slightly modified percentage given that the swings are less so does anyone have a opinion on this and maybe an idea of what percent is more suited to DYM?? second question is in them DYM games that drag out till say all six are still there at level 8 and everyone is short stacked what are the best sort of hands to stick it all in with like with hold em ICM, pairs, decent aces etc my thinking has been middle connecting cards and obv high pairs thanks Tim. Posted by CardGenius
Hi Tim.
Q1. You can be much less prudent with your Bankroll in DYM's, as they have uber-low variance. I would adjust the 5% to 10% assuming you have basic competence.
Q2. It does not matter what you hold - just get your chips in first in the scenario you outline. You are never far behind, or ahead, pre-flop in Omaha. It's not like Texas, where you can easily be a 20/80 dog - you never are in Omaha, unless you have near-identical but dominated holdings.
In Response to Re: Oma-what? Omaha questions here, folks! : Hi Tim. Q1. You can be much less prudent with your Bankroll in DYM's, as they have uber-low variance. I would adjust the 5% to 10% assuming you have basic competence. Q2. It does not matter what you hold - just get your chips in first in the scenario you outline. You are never far behind, or ahead, pre-flop in Omaha. It's not like Texas, where you can easily be a 20/80 dog - you never are in Omaha, unless you have near-identical but dominated holdings. Posted by Tikay10
When I said "you are never far behind in Omaha".......imagine this.
You have 2-3-4-5 double-suited. And shove.
And you get called - as you probably would - by A-K-Q-J no suits.
How far behind do you think you are?
Well, as you could look it up on any Odds Calculator, I'll tell you. You are 47.3% to win, your oppo is 52.7%. We are flipping. And as it's easier to shove than Call, & as he does not call on, say, 50% of the occasions you shove, you are, in effect, 75/25 to win. With 2-3-4-5.
If we make both hands unsuited, then the odds become something like 56%-44%.
YW Cardgenuis. When I said "you are never far behind in Omaha".......imagine this. You have 2-3-4-5 double-suited. And shove. And you get called - as you probably would - by A-K-Q-J no suits. How far behind do you think you are? Well, as you could look it up on any Odds Calculator, I'll tell you. You are 47.3% to win, your oppo is 52.7%. We are flipping. And as it's easier to shove than Call, & as he does not call on, say, 50% of the occasions you shove, you are, in effect, 75/25 to win. With 2-3-4-5. If we make both hands unsuited, then the odds become something like 56%-44%. Funny game, Omaha. Posted by Tikay10
I get ya tikay!! after your 1st reply i was in a DYM lost most of my stack early in a dumb hand after i missed the fact the board paired!! I found myself close to out, then went about telling myself your never far behind and when your 1st in!! I went on to take 1st!! wise words my friend thanks for the help!
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Cheerz lads for the feedback on the hand itself...
Now what would you do in my position? - I have to go all the way right???? Or not?
And also, is my decision here different in a ring game than in a tourny?
Take my comments with a pinch of salt because I'm no expert.
1. They both have you out-chipped so there is no side-pot that you can win so you need to defeat both hands to get ANY return on your money.
2. When you raise to £11.20, you don't know that you are going to get action from both players and you are trying to isolate (or take the pot there and then) - this is a good move as far as I'm concerned.
3. When they both go all-in you are getting better than 4/1 on your money so I'm definitely calling in a cash game.
4. You are dead to someone holding T8 (or TT) but that would be unlucky and a risk that you have to take.
5. Your hand isn't going to improve (apart from the case 8) and ANY other turn/river card could beat you so there's no point waiting for the turn/river before "potting it" unless you want to take a chance that neither of your opponents hits their outs on the turn.
I might play it differently in a tournament (and certainly in a satellite) if I was nearing a significant bubble.
Q1. You can be much less prudent with your Bankroll in DYM's, as they have uber-low variance. I would adjust the 5% to 10% assuming you have basic competence.
Q2. It does not matter what you hold - just get your chips in first in the scenario you outline. You are never far behind, or ahead, pre-flop in Omaha. It's not like Texas, where you can easily be a 20/80 dog - you never are in Omaha, unless you have near-identical but dominated holdings.
YW Cardgenuis.
When I said "you are never far behind in Omaha".......imagine this.
You have 2-3-4-5 double-suited. And shove.
And you get called - as you probably would - by A-K-Q-J no suits.
How far behind do you think you are?
Well, as you could look it up on any Odds Calculator, I'll tell you. You are 47.3% to win, your oppo is 52.7%. We are flipping. And as it's easier to shove than Call, & as he does not call on, say, 50% of the occasions you shove, you are, in effect, 75/25 to win. With 2-3-4-5.
If we make both hands unsuited, then the odds become something like 56%-44%.
Funny game, Omaha.
CardGenius, you are a Genius.
Be very careful when the Board pairs. In Texas, we almost never give credit for the House. In Omaha, our default setting is "he has the House".