In Response to Re: Why Oh Why Oh Why?? : Well that does explain a few things, like you stacking off (by callin every street) with A5 on level 2 of the d/stack the over day Posted by fishywishy
but you could be right .. I would probably have done the same with 7-2 off' suite
However where did I say as you said, I think 6 seater deep stacks are a ****-shoot, your missing the whole point of the thread, oh and welcome to the forum
It's not as if they don't have the ability or know how in the technical department, so 'Why oh Why' is EVERY tournament on here 6 seaters, whats wrong with giving the players a variety and putting some proper 10 seater tournaments on ...
I'll tell you why, they want fast games fast turnover, where the range of hands being played are much wider, enabling it to be '****-shoot' poker, you only have to listen to the analysts to realise, with their talk of, 'get it in' and 'shove' ??
Two things are happening here, either as I said, the 'directors' of the company want to keep things the way they are, enabling fast turnover, or they are being badly advised as to what the customer really wants !!
I think you might find the customer wants 6 seater tournaments im sure it was discussed in a thread last year. You may well find your in the minority Benny.
As for good players leaving the site thats always going to happen, a man of your experience should know this its normal for decent players to move on to other sites. Do you think the new players coming to the site cant play? Ive spoken to 2 players this week that are new to the site and are decent players with over 10 years of poker behind them. Its a revolving door im sure Sky wont lose sleep over it.
Two things are happening here, either as I said, the 'directors' of the company want to keep things the way they are, enabling fast turnover, or they are being badly advised as to what the customer really wants !! I think you might find the customer wants 6 seater tournaments im sure it was discussed in a thread last year. You may well find your in the minority Benny. As for good players leaving the site thats always going to happen, a man of your experience should know this its normal for decent players to move on to other sites. Do you think the new players coming to the site cant play? Ive spoken to 2 players this week that are new to the site and are decent players with over 10 years of poker behind them. Its a revolving door im sure Sky wont lose sleep over it. Posted by tallboy
Very True Tallboy, but then I'm always in the minority ... So nothing changed there then )
agree with benny here, 10 seaters do bring a higher standard of play due to the narrowing of the range of cards that SHOULD be played. paying 5 outta 30 is also good.
I'm astonished by the vitriol launched against Benny for daring to suggest that we might like to have 10 seater tourneys as opposed to the majority of 6 six seaters that are the norm on here. I don't play on here as often as I once used to,basically because of the 'oooh look I have an ace - let's shove all-in' mentality that seem to be more the norm these days on six handed tables.
I can't comment on Benny's views as to the opinions of the directors of the Sky poker board but I do believe in Benny's right to voice an opinion. many sites sites do have a choice of 4/6/8/10 player tables and I think the point Benny is trying to make is that he would like to see that choice given on Sky poker.
OK. it might not be that successful in an MTT format but perhaps more choices in say SNG's. I too get frustrated by the 'Let's shove all in on the first hand' mentality that seems to be the norm in turbo type tourneys so I can see where Benny is coming from.
Ha ha, .. as Phil Lynott, once said, "The Boys are Back In Town" Thanks guys,
anyways just to prove I'm no one trick pony .. I still play the shootouts sometimes and ... )
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In Response to Re: Why Oh Why Oh Why?? : Very True Tallboy, but then I'm always in the minority ... So nothing changed there then ) Posted by bennydip2
Im not saying your wrong my just saying when the subject of 10 seater tables came up last year the majority wanted it 6 seater. You bring a great deal of humour to this site Benny and I for one read all of your post's unlike some which bore me to death. Having said that you do seem as if you have issues with Sky Poker for what reason im not quite sure. As Phil has said it comes across as your always moaning over something, this site in my opinion is better than any other for listening to its customers and majority rules! Try telling that to Gordon Brown! Good Luck at the tables.
There is a 10 seater deepstack. 3.30 entry, starting in 6 minutes time. SEE YOU ALL THERE Posted by Seagull158
yeah 8 runners great value they,re going by the wayside which is a shame.its the same with anything popular at first then people get bored and numbers drop.the same will happen with bennys idea if its introduced, **** shame edit:it got 23 runners in the end still alot down from the 80-100 runners it had when it first kicked off:-(
Look at it again guys and gals, I'm not saying 'Deep Stack' and I'm not saying long blind levels, as 'Pod1' pointed out they can take hours, which is fine for some if that's what you want, however this structure I'm proposing would take around one and a half hours max, if there were only 30 runners.. Deep stacks and long blind levels are designed for a long session, and it's just not happening, so this way gives plenty of time for good play with enough time not to feel committed to 'shove and hope' any two cards that six seater speed tournaments bring about here .
So a variety as I have explained would only be good for the players and Sky Poker .. again the set-up as I would see it...
Three 10 seater Guaranteed tournaments around the times of 8 30, 9 30 and 10 30 ... blind levels could be 10mins
£10 +1 with 5 places paid ..example if only 30 runners turned up, Sky's profit would still be £10
The above is based on 30 players guaranteed 5 places paid ... now after 7.30pm and with Guarantee of £200 , £100, and £50 I'm sure the turnout would be more .........
One final point how many times in six seaters do you find yourself sitting at a table with five , four or three players ..?? It becomes a lottery or Bingo at that point !!
My Lu'd and members of the Jury, here ends the case for the defence,
I like the 10min blind structure as suggested by Benny and also think these could be fitted in with the existing tourny schedule's Just a quick one: I Played on a few 10 seater double your money's on another site, but I don't see any of those on here.
Look at it again guys and gals, I'm not saying 'Deep Stack' and I'm not saying long blind levels, as 'Pod1' pointed out they can take hours, which is fine for some if that's what you want, however this structure I'm proposing would take around one and a half hours max, if there were only 30 runners.. Deep stacks and long blind levels are designed for a long session, and it's just not happening, so this way gives plenty of time for good play with enough time not to feel committed to 'shove and hope' any two cards that six seater speed tournaments bring about here . So a variety as I have explained would only be good for the players and Sky Poker .. again the set-up as I would see it... Three 10 seater Guaranteed tournaments around the times of 8 30, 9 30 and 10 30 ... blind levels could be 10mins £10 +1 with 5 places paid ..example if only 30 runners turned up, Sky's profit would still be £10 130 75 56 35 24 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ £5 +.50p .. 5 places paid (same as above) 65 37 28 18 12 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ £2.50 +.25p .. 5 places (same as above) 33 18 14 9 6 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The above is based on 30 players guaranteed 5 places paid ... now after 7.30pm and with Guarantee of £200 , £100, and £50 I'm sure the turnout would be more ......... One final point how many times in six seaters do you find yourself sitting at a table with five , four or three players ..?? It becomes a lottery or Bingo at that point !! My Lu'd and members of the Jury, here ends the case for the defence, we rest our case ... Posted by bennydip2
If you wish, I can C & P this well-reasoned Post & short-cut it to the appropriate Suits for consideration. Let me know if you'd like me to do that, please.
I like the 10min blind structure as suggested by Benny and also think these could be fitted in with the existing tourny schedule's Just a quick one: I Played on a few 10 seater double your money's on another site, but I don't see any of those on here. What do you think of 10 seater DYMs Benny? Posted by POKERTREV
Thanks TREV, yes the 10 min structure is one of the key's to the set-up to make it become successful for many reason I can explain later but No-One from SKY has commented, so I'm guessing there either thinking about it or asking others like TK for his opinion ..
However, as for DYM 10 seaters .. Not really my kind of game but if I were grinding daily for profit then YES, there would be far more play in 10 than a 6 seater table ..
Another point I'd make in all of this is, ...
Online (I'm guessing here) on a 10 seater table, the hands dealt would be about half as many as a 6 seater , compared to live play, whilst a 10 seater online would get about 4 times more hands than a 10 seater LIVE ..so we are getting about 8 times more hands than a Live 10 seater ...
SO my point is why have deep stack long blinds .. equate that to live play and a LIVE tournament with 30min blinds would be the equivalent to having 4hour levels ... ( I think ) ?
I know this is not clear but I know what I mean ... anyways you get the drift of what I'm saying, as for DYM games the princible is the same 10 wouldn't be panic stations as a 6 handed game could be..
In Response to Re: Why Oh Why Oh Why?? : If you wish, I can C & P this well-reasoned Post & short-cut it to the appropriate Suits for consideration. Let me know if you'd like me to do that, please. Posted by Tikay10
Thank you .. Diamond geezer, I wish everyone was like you and CARL ..
And stop wearing that blue scarf whilst playing live, act your age like what I do .. )
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However where did I say as you said, I think 6 seater deep stacks are a ****-shoot, your missing the whole point of the thread, oh and welcome to the forum
It's not as if they don't have the ability or know how in the technical department,
so 'Why oh Why' is EVERY tournament on here 6 seaters, whats wrong with giving the players a variety and putting some proper 10 seater tournaments on ...
I'll tell you why, they want fast games fast turnover, where the range of hands being played are much wider, enabling it to be '****-shoot' poker, you only have to listen to the analysts to realise, with their talk of, 'get it in' and 'shove' ??
Two things are happening here, either as I said, the 'directors' of the company want to keep things the way they are, enabling fast turnover, or they are being badly advised as to what the customer really wants !!
I think you might find the customer wants 6 seater tournaments im sure it was discussed in a thread last year. You may well find your in the minority Benny.
As for good players leaving the site thats always going to happen, a man of your experience should know this its normal for decent players to move on to other sites. Do you think the new players coming to the site cant play? Ive spoken to 2 players this week that are new to the site and are decent players with over 10 years of poker behind them. Its a revolving door im sure Sky wont lose sleep over it.
Very True Tallboy, but then I'm always in the minority ... So nothing changed there then
But you're right Benny - more 10-max, and maybe some 8-max, tourneys would give us punters some more choice.
anyways just to prove I'm no one trick pony ..
I still play the shootouts sometimes and ...
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You bring a great deal of humour to this site Benny and I for one read all of your post's unlike some which bore me to death. Having said that you do seem as if you have issues with Sky Poker for what reason im not quite sure. As Phil has said it comes across as your always moaning over something, this site in my opinion is better than any other for listening to its customers and majority rules! Try telling that to Gordon Brown!
Good Luck at the tables.
SEE YOU ALL THERE
edit:it got 23 runners in the end still alot down from the 80-100 runners it had when it first kicked off:-(
Deep stacks and long blind levels are designed for a long session, and it's just not happening, so this way gives plenty of time for good play with enough time not to feel committed to 'shove and hope' any two cards that six seater speed tournaments bring about here .
So a variety as I have explained would only be good for the players and Sky Poker .. again the set-up as I would see it...
Three 10 seater Guaranteed tournaments around the times of 8 30, 9 30 and 10 30 ... blind levels could be 10mins
£10 +1 with 5 places paid ..example if only 30 runners turned up, Sky's profit would still be £10
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The above is based on 30 players guaranteed 5 places paid ... now after 7.30pm and with Guarantee of £200 , £100, and £50 I'm sure the turnout would be more .........
One final point how many times in six seaters do you find yourself sitting at a table with five , four or three players ..??
It becomes a lottery or Bingo at that point !!
My Lu'd and members of the Jury, here ends the case for the defence,
we rest our case ...
I always respect your point of view Benny so keep posting it.
Peace out.
Airwalker
No news is good news ...........
Just a quick one: I Played on a few 10 seater double your money's on another site, but I don't see any of those on here.
What do you think of 10 seater DYMs Benny?
However, as for DYM 10 seaters .. Not really my kind of game but if I were grinding daily for profit then YES, there would be far more play in 10 than a 6 seater table ..
Another point I'd make in all of this is, ...
Online (I'm guessing here) on a 10 seater table, the hands dealt would be about half as many as a 6 seater , compared to live play, whilst a 10 seater online would get about 4 times more hands than a 10 seater LIVE ..so we are getting about 8 times more hands than a Live 10 seater ...
SO my point is why have deep stack long blinds .. equate that to live play and a LIVE tournament with 30min blinds would be the equivalent to having 4hour levels ...
( I think ) ?
I know this is not clear but I know what I mean ...
anyways you get the drift of what I'm saying, as for DYM games the princible is the same 10 wouldn't be panic stations as a 6 handed game could be..
glk benny
Thank you .. Diamond geezer, I wish everyone was like you and CARL ..
And stop wearing that blue scarf whilst playing live, act your age like what I do ..