people are buying their place with roulettes, what a joke! For gods sake why cant there be a roulette league if its so important so that everyone is happy! Do you think really that it is fair to people who are playing properly for points? Whats the point in having a league if it not run fairly? There is a reason why it is called roulette and im afraid it doesnt involve any skill! Posted by BananaDog
Thanks for the support nana. Perhaps Sky could consider a league for RR players if they really think they deserve any recognition. I feel that RR players (gamblers - with no offence whatsoever intended by that) wouldn't actually be bothered about having a league anyway. As such i think the solution for Sky is simple, simply get rid of league points in RR games. But, if not, then your suggestion about their own league should be looked at I think.
yep..just had a look at a few seated players and what do you know...russian roulleting it! See there is nothing wrong with playing the games u want but Sky u need to see how unfair this is for the other players! Posted by BananaDog
This is what it's all about it's that simple - it is unfair as it currently works. I for one feel it's unfair and thanks to everyone for the support so far, keep it coming. I really think that, even looking completely objectively, it is pretty obvious that the current system is unfair. This is the real reason I actually do believe we can bring about change here. Sky will not allow an unfair system to continue on it's site so all we need to do is bring it to their attention by supporting it.
i think to be true i think the olny way to change things is to show them how important we are and the only way to do that is to not play untill its changed but you need people to do that and thats where the problem is if you had 10 15 people stop playing till theres a proper league then it would change untill then it will stay as it is Posted by ckd
This could very well be true and it would be very sad if this was the case. Let's just hope Sky will take some action before anything like this had to be considered.
I'm sure Sky's intention was for the top players to be rewarded in terms of the STT league. The last time i was in the top 10 of the league, RR games didn't exist and the top 10 were a reflection of the top players. If i was anywhere near the top 10 and was disadvantaged by the RR players then i would feel very aggrieved. No blame on the guys playing the RR games, SKY should look at this and make it right. I'm sure the rake Sky make out of JC and the other STT regulars is greater than the RR players. I've never played a RR game, as there isn't any skill and i won't have any advantage (many would say i don't anyway lol), but if i was anywhere near the top 10 i might feel i had to, if everyone else was. Sky, this looks like an anomaly and needs correcting, imo.
I'm sure Sky's intention was for the top players to be rewarded in terms of the STT league. The last time i was in the top 10 of the league, RR games didn't exist and the top 10 were a reflection of the top players. If i was anywhere near the top 10 and was disadvantaged by the RR players then i would feel very aggrieved. No blame on the guys playing the RR games, SKY should look at this and make it right. I'm sure the rake Sky make out of JC and the other STT regulars is greater than the RR players. I've never played a RR game, as there isn't any skill and i won't have any advantage (many would say i don't anyway lol), but if i was anywhere near the top 10 i might feel i had to, if everyone else was. Sky, this looks like an anomaly and needs correcting, imo. Posted by skicowboys
Great post Ski, I know that you are a very well respected member of Sky Poker having being here a long time so it's great to see the likes of you supporting this. Lets hope Sky are listening...it would be great if anyone from Sky does see this thread if they could leave a comment please and let us know if anything can be done, thanks
Ok, so there's a bit of support building for this now, thanks again to everyone for getting involved.
I thought it just might be worth looking at the practicalities of Sky actually making a change.
Firstly I have just watched the promo for RR games starring Tikay which is available on a famous video site. there is nothing on there about league points so no change needed here whatsoever.
I also looked at the actual text promo on the site which simply reads: "This is a Double Your Money heads up game, where both players are automatically all-in with the winner doubling their money." - So again no change whatsoever needed.
Finally I looked at the league T&Cs and found the following: "League points will not be awarded for the following types of gameplay: Freerolls, Satellites, Invitational tournaments; Cash games where less than 3 players are dealt hole cards." - It is my opinion that this could easily be altered to include RR games as well.
With regard to the changes affecting existing RR players, I have hinted above that I cannot imagine there is much of a steady player base for these pure luck games. However, I think that such player base as there is could easily be notified of the change by a simple mail merge.
If the above is correct (and I of course stand to be corrected by those in the know at Sky) and there is a demand for change, then surely it can go ahead?
ok ive just played 100 rr games took me 4 hours with breaks i won 53 of them had a loss of £4 but made 159 points im now in a good possiton to go past tony and mac77 2 get a 10th place so by playing these games of luck ive got a good chance of take a bonus that is there for good play away from people that have played well...... come on how is this fair ......... i see there is still no reply from sky .........
Thanks for all the discussion on this topic. Sorry these hasn't been much of a response so far. I'm going to send this thread to the new 'Mr Suggestions' aka Sky Jordan. He's a top bloke and going forward will be the man to take all your great suggestions to.
Let's put this to Jordan to get him underway and hopefully he'll be able to take things up and update you with some progress.
Hi Guys, Thanks for all the discussion on this topic. Sorry these hasn't been much of a response so far. I'm going to send this thread to the new 'Mr Suggestions' aka Sky Jordan. He's a top bloke and going forward will be the man to take all your great suggestions to. Let's put this to Jordan to get him underway and hopefully he'll be able to take things up and update you with some progress. Cheers. Posted by Sky_Rich
Thanks for the response Rich. Will look forward to hearing from Jordan and hopefully it will be agreed that a change can be made.
The league points are distributed upon buy-in for all our STT tournaments, which includes the Russian Roulette tournaments. This means that playing in a tournament such as this will gaive you more league points. I understand these tournaments are only very short so you can play in more and more to improve your league standing, however the buy-in is the same as most other STT tournaments and therefore will remain as part of the league points structure.
As per the terms and conditions:
Single Table Tournament Points (STT's) are awarded based on the buy-in, finishing position and no. of entrants
Single-Table tournaments relates to all Sit & Go tables, which in some cases will be made up of multiple tables. E.G. a 3 tabled 18 seat scary Sit & Go.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Jordan
PS I will be creating a new section in the coming weeks for future suggestions so keep a look out for that!
Hi Guys, The league points are distributed upon buy-in for all our STT tournaments, which includes the Russian Roulette tournaments. This means that playing in a tournament such as this will gaive you more league points. I understand these tournaments are only very short so you can play in more and more to improve your league standing, however the buy-in is the same as most other STT tournaments and therefore will remain as part of the league points structure. As per the terms and conditions: Single Table Tournament Points (STT's) are awarded based on the buy-in, finishing position and no. of entrants Single-Table tournaments relates to all Sit & Go tables, which in some cases will be made up of multiple tables. E.G. a 3 tabled 18 seat scary Sit & Go. Hope this helps. Cheers, Jordan PS I will be creating a new section in the coming weeks for future suggestions so keep a look out for that! Posted by Sky_Jordan
yes but a league is there to reward people who show a good run of play..... rr games have no skill involed at all so dont see y there are any league point on them
as it is at the moment its who can buy the league which is not a league and shows no refextion on who has played well which in my understanding is what a league is
many people agree with this many of the regs say there is a major prob with the way it is
is this going to change or is the rack from the games to much to pass up on as theres no point in trying to get anywhere if it does stay as is cheers
Hi Guys, The league points are distributed upon buy-in for all our STT tournaments, which includes the Russian Roulette tournaments. This means that playing in a tournament such as this will gaive you more league points. I understand these tournaments are only very short so you can play in more and more to improve your league standing, however the buy-in is the same as most other STT tournaments and therefore will remain as part of the league points structure. As per the terms and conditions: Single Table Tournament Points (STT's) are awarded based on the buy-in, finishing position and no. of entrants Single-Table tournaments relates to all Sit & Go tables, which in some cases will be made up of multiple tables. E.G. a 3 tabled 18 seat scary Sit & Go. Hope this helps. Cheers, Jordan PS I will be creating a new section in the coming weeks for future suggestions so keep a look out for that! Posted by Sky_Jordan
Thanks for the reply Jordan.
I understand that league points are awarded according to buy-in, finishing position and no. of entrants but things don't have to be so rigid do they? I had hoped that rather than just applying the rules as they were originally drawn up, it might have been possible to have a complete rethink according to the principles underlying the league in the first place (presumably, to award good play not pure luck).
I still maintain that the situation as it is is unfair and am disappointed to learn that Sky, having being made aware of this, is happy for it to continue that way and has no desire to make the system fairer.
Having said that, if that's the way it's going to stay then that's the way it's going to stay at the end of the day there's nothing else we can do is there? Thanks once again for your reply and for taking the time to read this thread.
Hi Guys, The league points are distributed upon buy-in for all our STT tournaments, which includes the Russian Roulette tournaments. This means that playing in a tournament such as this will gaive you more league points. I understand these tournaments are only very short so you can play in more and more to improve your league standing, however the buy-in is the same as most other STT tournaments and therefore will remain as part of the league points structure. As per the terms and conditions: Single Table Tournament Points (STT's) are awarded based on the buy-in, finishing position and no. of entrants Single-Table tournaments relates to all Sit & Go tables, which in some cases will be made up of multiple tables. E.G. a 3 tabled 18 seat scary Sit & Go. Hope this helps. Cheers, Jordan PS I will be creating a new section in the coming weeks for future suggestions so keep a look out for that! Posted by Sky_Jordan
Thanks for the reply Jordan but i along with many of my other STT players am very unhappy with this decision, it is making the league a crapshoot as oppossed to rewarding ability, i really enjoy the way this site is set up but feel i may have to move to another site i know which has a better ranking format if things continue in this vein and believe that many other STT players feel the same.
Thanks for your replies guys, hope I cleared a bit up for you.
I appreciate your concerns and I can assure you your suggestions have been considered by the managers here.
I have once again raised it with them and forwarded your comments. The immediate reaction is to remain as it is, purely due to the amount of people playing them and the business this generates.
In all honesty, the top finishers in the monthly leagues are not there becasue they enter/win Russian Roulette tournaments, they are normally the players winning the MTT tournaments.
Again, this doesn't really help you at this time but I want you to know that we are looking into this and if anything changes, I will be in touch to you both directly.
In Response to Re: stt poker league : Thanks for the reply Jordan but i along with many of my other STT players am very unhappy with this decision, it is making the league a crapshoot as oppossed to rewarding ability, i really enjoy the way this site is set up but feel i may have to move to another site i know which has a better ranking format if things continue in this vein and believe that many other STT players feel the same. Posted by kirstii
totaly agree the league was what made the stt side worth playing for the competition however now theres no point to it and might be worth looking elsewhere
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i think to be true i think the olny way to change things is to show them how important we are
and the only way to do that is to not play untill its changed but you need people to do that and thats where the problem is
if you had 10 15 people stop playing till theres a proper league then it would change untill then it will stay as it is
ok so i thought id have a little experiment
8.27am
start playing rr
played a total of 30 (26 against the same person)
won 16
total loss £1.00
total points 48 stt league points
time taken 33min
33 min to make 4 times more than winning an £11+ dym and this is fair is it lol
skill means nothing in the stt just whos got the bankroll to buy the league
its not a poker league as it is
I'm sure Sky's intention was for the top players to be rewarded in terms of the STT league. The last time i was in the top 10 of the league, RR games didn't exist and the top 10 were a reflection of the top players.
If i was anywhere near the top 10 and was disadvantaged by the RR players then i would feel very aggrieved.
No blame on the guys playing the RR games, SKY should look at this and make it right.
I'm sure the rake Sky make out of JC and the other STT regulars is greater than the RR players.
I've never played a RR game, as there isn't any skill and i won't have any advantage (many would say i don't anyway lol), but if i was anywhere near the top 10 i might feel i had to, if everyone else was.
Sky, this looks like an anomaly and needs correcting, imo.
there is nothing against the 1s who play it at all but its not right to be taking top 5/6 league places up by playing 1000s of theses
Ok, so there's a bit of support building for this now, thanks again to everyone for getting involved.
I thought it just might be worth looking at the practicalities of Sky actually making a change.
Firstly I have just watched the promo for RR games starring Tikay which is available on a famous video site. there is nothing on there about league points so no change needed here whatsoever.
I also looked at the actual text promo on the site which simply reads:
"This is a Double Your Money heads up game, where both players are automatically all-in with the winner doubling their money." - So again no change whatsoever needed.
Finally I looked at the league T&Cs and found the following:
"League points will not be awarded for the following types of gameplay: Freerolls, Satellites, Invitational tournaments; Cash games where less than 3 players are dealt hole cards." - It is my opinion that this could easily be altered to include RR games as well.
With regard to the changes affecting existing RR players, I have hinted above that I cannot imagine there is much of a steady player base for these pure luck games. However, I think that such player base as there is could easily be notified of the change by a simple mail merge.
If the above is correct (and I of course stand to be corrected by those in the know at Sky) and there is a demand for change, then surely it can go ahead?
palyed 14 won 8 rr games
24 points in 10 min and a £1 profit im just buying my cash for points spot and maybe even a top ten finish
not bad im buying my way to things that are there for to reflexed good play throught the month and sky cant see a problem with this lol
nice to see the reply from sky on this espesally since its in the communtity suggestions page
i won 53 of them had a loss of £4 but made 159 points im now in a good possiton to go past tony and mac77 2 get a 10th place so by playing these games of luck ive got a good chance of take a bonus that is there for good play away from people that have played well...... come on how is this fair ......... i see there is still no reply from sky .........
Thanks for all the discussion on this topic. Sorry these hasn't been much of a response so far. I'm going to send this thread to the new 'Mr Suggestions' aka Sky Jordan. He's a top bloke and going forward will be the man to take all your great suggestions to.
Let's put this to Jordan to get him underway and hopefully he'll be able to take things up and update you with some progress.
Cheers.
ty rich
this is a bit unfair for those that do play proper poker and hope it can go back to a proper league
( any chance of a rebate of my £4 for the rr test ) lol
The league points are distributed upon buy-in for all our STT tournaments, which includes the Russian Roulette tournaments. This means that playing in a tournament such as this will gaive you more league points. I understand these tournaments are only very short so you can play in more and more to improve your league standing, however the buy-in is the same as most other STT tournaments and therefore will remain as part of the league points structure.
As per the terms and conditions:
Single Table Tournament Points (STT's) are awarded based on the buy-in, finishing position and no. of entrants
Single-Table tournaments relates to all Sit & Go tables, which in some cases will be made up of multiple tables. E.G. a 3 tabled 18 seat scary Sit & Go.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Jordan
PS I will be creating a new section in the coming weeks for future suggestions so keep a look out for that!
as it is at the moment its who can buy the league which is not a league and shows no refextion on who has played well which in my understanding is what a league is
many people agree with this many of the regs say there is a major prob with the way it is
is this going to change
or is the rack from the games to much to pass up on as theres no point in trying to get anywhere if it does stay as is cheers
I understand that league points are awarded according to buy-in, finishing position and no. of entrants but things don't have to be so rigid do they? I had hoped that rather than just applying the rules as they were originally drawn up, it might have been possible to have a complete rethink according to the principles underlying the league in the first place (presumably, to award good play not pure luck).
I still maintain that the situation as it is is unfair and am disappointed to learn that Sky, having being made aware of this, is happy for it to continue that way and has no desire to make the system fairer.
Having said that, if that's the way it's going to stay then that's the way it's going to stay at the end of the day there's nothing else we can do is there? Thanks once again for your reply and for taking the time to read this thread.
JC
Thanks for your replies guys, hope I cleared a bit up for you.
I appreciate your concerns and I can assure you your suggestions have been considered by the managers here.
I have once again raised it with them and forwarded your comments. The immediate reaction is to remain as it is, purely due to the amount of people playing them and the business this generates.
In all honesty, the top finishers in the monthly leagues are not there becasue they enter/win Russian Roulette tournaments, they are normally the players winning the MTT tournaments.
Again, this doesn't really help you at this time but I want you to know that we are looking into this and if anything changes, I will be in touch to you both directly.
Thanks again for your suggestions.
Cheers,
Jordan