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Slowplaying aces pre flop

OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
edited June 2010 in The Poker Clinic
I had some discussion with dohhhhh about this hand.

What do people think, I will rarely just call with aces but I thought dohh would fire a couple of times on any board and thought that would get me more in the long run. 

At the start of the hand, it wasnt really my plan to get it in on the turn, but the board started scaring me and I lost my bottle.

Was the donk bet bad or should I be check raising there..

Any advice and analysis appreciated
OMahonyO Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £29.01
handsumjon Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £21.66
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
thing50 Fold     
bego66 Fold     
DOHHHHHHH Raise  £0.80 £1.10 £19.07
donnyjoe Fold     
OMahonyO Call  £0.70 £1.80 £28.31
handsumjon Call  £0.60 £2.40 £21.06
Flop
   
  • 7
  • 8
  • J
     
OMahonyO Bet  £1.80 £4.20 £26.51
handsumjon Fold     
DOHHHHHHH Raise  £4.80 £9.00 £14.27
OMahonyO All-in  £26.51 £35.51 £0.00
DOHHHHHHH Fold     
OMahonyO Muck     
OMahonyO Win  £11.40  £11.40
OMahonyO Return  £23.51 £0.60 £34.91
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Comments

  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited May 2010
    i dont like the flat call pre, the guy behind you BB is always gonna call and why do wanna play AA 3 way?
    you dont and never do.  you are also OOP witch makes the hand so hard to play.
    my advice for what its worth, you can slow play AA.  you open on the button and get 3 bet by blinds or early pos limper, then in this spot you can flat the 3 bet as i will hide the strenth of your hand.
    most important thing is pos an get it HU.
  • kirstiikirstii Member Posts: 787
    edited May 2010
    For me i'm not a big fan of the flat call pre flop with the aces.

    I think there are a some factors to consider when calling with big hands pre flop, sort of a checklist to meet in terms of the hand, only if i had most if not all of them would i flat call pre.

    Firstly i believe you would need to be in position to flat call with such a big hand as i really don't like to play any hand out of position especially with another player to act behind. If that was me i'd be raising pre and running the risk of taking down a smaller pot right away.

    Also i think i'd like to know that i'm are against a player of equal or less ability, i don't mind seeing more flops with players of a lower ability than myself but against a player of higher ability i'm all for trying to take the pot away pre-flop or getting more of his stack when you can pretty much guarantee he's behind.

    Post flop i've got no problem with the lead out and to be honest i believe it helped you get some more money from a pretty tricky spot against someone like dohhh ( a bit results orientated but oh well!)

    That's what i reckon anyway, feel free to agree or disagree guys!
  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: Slowplaying aces pre flop:
    For me i'm not a big fan of the flat call pre flop with the aces. I think there are a some factors to consider when calling with big hands pre flop, sort of a checklist to meet in terms of the hand, only if i had most if not all of them would i flat call pre. Firstly i believe you would need to be in position to flat call with such a big hand as i really don't like to play any hand out of position especially with another player to act behind. If that was me i'd be raising pre and running the risk of taking down a smaller pot right away. Also i think i'd like to know that i'm are against a player of equal or less ability, i don't mind seeing more flops with players of a lower ability than myself but against a player of higher ability i'm all for trying to take the pot away pre-flop or getting more of his stack when you can pretty much guarantee he's behind. Post flop i've got no problem with the lead out and to be honest i believe it helped you get some more money from a pretty tricky spot against someone like dohhh ( a bit results orientated but oh well!) That's what i reckon anyway, feel free to agree or disagree guys!
    Posted by kirstii

    There are better hands than aces ?
  • kirstiikirstii Member Posts: 787
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: Slowplaying aces pre flop:
    In Response to Re: Slowplaying aces pre flop : There are better hands than aces ?
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    No but there are four aces in a deck,he could have the other two, honestly some people.
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2010

    I didnt like it :(
  • kirstiikirstii Member Posts: 787
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: Slowplaying aces pre flop:
    I didnt like it :(
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Fancy revealing what you had? A jack?
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2010
    ten ten
  • dylan12dylan12 Member Posts: 2,343
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: Slowplaying aces pre flop:
    i dont like the flat call pre, the guy behind you BB is always gonna call and why do wanna play AA 3 way? you dont and never do.  you are also OOP witch makes the hand so hard to play. my advice for what its worth, you can slow play AA.  you open on the button and get 3 bet by blinds or early pos limper, then in this spot you can flat the 3 bet as i will hide the strenth of your hand. most important thing is pos an get it HU.
    Posted by freechips1
    +1

    What an opportunity to stack DOHHHHHHH wasted
  • scrumdownscrumdown Member Posts: 1,609
    edited May 2010
    dont slow play aces full stop
  • scrumdownscrumdown Member Posts: 1,609
    edited May 2010
    ok sometimes better to take the blinds than 3 or 4 callers one of them ends up stacking you
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited June 2010
    Why do you lead the flop once you flatted pre?
  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: Slowplaying aces pre flop:
    Why do you lead the flop once you flatted pre?
    Posted by beaneh

    Because, the guy behind me was  in and although I was risking it going 3 way, it wasnt definite.  Also, with it being 3 way, doh is more likely to check behind if myself and other person checked first.

    Also, if doh did have a piece of it, and he was checked to, he would be making a cbet of prob the same as me , £1.80.  If I were to come over the top, he would likely be laying it down I thought.  Making my won pot smaller.

    I also thought that if I led out and he had a piece of it, his raise would have to be quite large , making it a bigger pot for me when I come over the top.

    Lastly, I didnt like that flop much, way to drawy and I did not want to be giving any free cards.

    Is this bad, or should I just be checkraising?
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: Slowplaying aces pre flop:
    In Response to Re: Slowplaying aces pre flop : Because, the guy behind me was  in and although I was risking it going 3 way, it wasnt definite.  Also, with it being 3 way, doh is more likely to check behind if myself and other person checked first.
     also thought that if I led out and he had a piece of it, his raise would have to be quite large , making it a bigger pot for me when I come over the top. Lastly, I didnt like that flop much, way to drawy and I did not want to be giving any free cards. Is this bad, or should I just be checkraising?
    Posted by OMahonyO

    Excellent reasoning, just make it bigger on the flop because the hands that you are going to be leading here either require fold equity or want to build the pot because you have a monster. Also consider what other hands you do/could start to lead with in this spot. Also think how the skill level and tendencies of the other player in the pot other than the pre-flop raiser should affect your decision.
  • Ms_ChipsMs_Chips Member Posts: 256
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: Slowplaying aces pre flop:
    i dont like the flat call pre, the guy behind you BB is always gonna call and why do wanna play AA 3 way?
    Posted by freechips1
    +1


    You obviously know doh's game quite well to want to flat him However Like freechips states you whole focus should be on the BB.  You say you don't know for certain if he is coming along which means you have to 3bet, however if the guys folds the bb all the time and is a complete nit then party on.

    I have a sneaky suspicion that you would have won more with a 3bet here.
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: Slowplaying aces pre flop:
    ten ten
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    Why did you raise fold?
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2010

    I raised to make him fold and found out I couldn't possibly be winning so I had to fold. myself. D'ohh !!!
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: Slowplaying aces pre flop:
    I raised to make him fold and found out I couldn't possibly be winning so I had to fold. myself. D'ohh !!!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    eh? you raised to make him fold what? what do you think that he is leading with?

    raise folding is the worst thing possible if he leads a draw or pair and a straight draw and then you raise and fold you are making a colossal mistake. 
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2010

    Well I make at least 300 colossal mistakes a session and still do alright.

    Imagine the possibilities eh :)
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: Slowplaying aces pre flop:
    Well I make at least 300 colossal mistakes a session and still do alright. Imagine the possibilities eh :)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    Surely talking discussing and thinking over situations lets you improve for the future, so rather than saying meh why not try and make 299 colossal mistakes next session ?!
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2010

    Right 3 options.

    Call? - no way, Aint calling for a gutshot, this is what I'd be doing if I took this option. 

    Fold? - after raising pre flop, for someone to donk lead into me and expect to take it down? too soft.

    Leaves raise...which I find is normally the answer....

    So I raise....

    Raise call? - Would be the worst call of all time.

    Raise and turn the internet off? - Maybe.....Log back on again and hope it got thru. No?

    Soooo..... Raise fold? yup 

    Whats your point are you saying that if Im raising, i shud be doing so for value?

    Of those 300 times I make a mistake, 275 times I get it through and take the pot.

    This time, he had the goods, wp, nh, move on
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