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3bet pot, flop straight, scary turn - what to do?
CLIOKID
Member Posts: 783
So I 3bet in position with suited ace.
First question would be do people think this is a decent move?
Second question is, do you bet the turn, if so - what size?
First question would be do people think this is a decent move?
Second question is, do you bet the turn, if so - what size?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Villain | Small blind | £0.25 | £0.25 | £49.00 | |
| CLIOKID | Big blind | £0.50 | £0.75 | £85.42 | |
| John78660 | Sit out | ||||
| Your hole cards |
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| tweeny15 | Fold | ||||
| DAVE757 | Fold | ||||
| Villian | Raise | £1.75 | £2.50 | £47.25 | |
| CLIOKID | Raise | £6.00 | £8.50 | £79.42 | |
| Villain | Call | £4.50 | £13.00 | £42.75 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| Villain | Check | ||||
| CLIOKID | Bet | £9.75 | £22.75 | £69.67 | |
| Villain | Call | £9.75 | £32.50 | £33.00 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| Villain | Check | ||||
Comments
im putting villian on pocket pair jacks or above the check on the flop and turn looks like hes sitting on aces or kings and is waiting for you to shove all in the club worries you but if this guy is a good reg would he have called a near £10 raise fishing for the flush a pot size bet puts him all in and thats the only move for me.
the fact you are calling him the villian makes me think hes actually got pocket 5s and hits the quads or house on the river.
Wow, what a situation, great hand to post.
I havent got a clue......
Will await the answer (to the question, not the result of the hand) keenly might save me 300 quid a week
EDIT - watched a video this morning by daniel neg - about small balling - I think it was based mainly on tournys, but could apply here.
Think as you have position, you could check behind, and call a river value bet, or indeed value bet the river yourself if the river is a non-club and villain checks.
He listed loads of reasons why.....amongst the,......
You dont get buffed by a worse hand as you control the pot size so you can afford to call on the river.
You extract value from worse hands (overpairs) who may well value bet the river.
You avoid having to guess your opponents hand.
He reckons its worth getting out drawn on a few occasions to avoid tournament bullets (or i guess here, its 'stack bullets' if there is such a thing)
So if your up against QQ/KK/AA with 1 club, sometimes checking behind, will allow oppo to river the flush, but his argument is this is easy to spot, and therefore, its an easy fold alot of the time (oppo dependant).
Dunno if it makes sense, will do better to me later when I put it into practise in some real game situations.
Checking here can get alot of worse hands to value bet the river?
Whereas betting and allowing better hands, and worse hands, to shove, gives me a situation where Im pretty much guessing?
Am I way off here applying a tourny theory vid to a cash game in this sorta situation? - Is it get it in, if he turned a flush take your medicine and re-load?
And is checking the turn in tournaments less insane than it would be in cash games? - in your opinion?
@OP: Villain's stack = Pot at this point, so if you make a bet on the turn then the hand (should) end here, whether it's because one of you folds or all the money is in there. So I guess you need to ask yourself whether or not we're happy playing for villain's stack in this situ. I'm not, so i'm with DOHHHH, i'm checking behind then calling most bets on the river.
And I like the 3-bet pre, we've got position with a decent HU hand (have the best hand a lot of the time). If they want to call a 3-bet OOP, gl to them.
Also i would not implement strategy's from tourny videos to cash very often, the pros play smallball mainly in tournys (although they do use this strategy in cash) as they dont want to risk their whole tournament when they can outplay players in small pots, Phil Helmuth said he would not go allin with AK if the other player went allin with AQ and turned his cards over at the start of the tourny as his skill advantage is so much higher than anyone else at the table (where in a cash game he would obviously call.)
That line is still debatable even then as there is half the effective stacks in the pot already so im quite happy taking the pot down now and not giving them a free card to hit a flush or even bluff us off the best hand if a club hits the river.
I think posting hands, helps improve players games but each to their own, good luck at the tables.