Bet/jam turn then obvs you have to call a reraise if you dont just jam. You say you lost less than you could've... but surely you would of won more long term by shoving turn?
Bet/jam turn then obvs you have to call a reraise if you dont just jam. You say you lost less than you could've... but surely you would of won more long term by shoving turn? Posted by BlackFish3
Which is why I still said despite losing less than I could've I still thought I played it wrong !
as said by zing and beaneh disgusting 3 bet without reads and you need to think at the start of each hand what you want to bet to setup a shove at some stage.... but as played i wouldnt mind a half bet or less to make it look like you have a fold in you hoping for a spew out from an OP....you look too strong you shoving and any 3/4 bet is obv a pot committing one.
What 'reads' would you need to have to justify a 3 bet here with ace 4? Give me some characteristics/tendancies of a player you would 3 bet here ........ " Design your own villain" Posted by DOHHHHHHH
always raises the small blind, always folds to 3 bets
always raise calls A2 and A3 and diamond flush draw combos and folds everything else including AA????
In Response to Re: 3bet pot, flop straight, scary turn - what to do? : always raises the small blind, always folds to 3 bets always raise calls A2 and A3 and diamond flush draw combos and folds everything else including AA???? Posted by beaneh
haha I played 50p/£1 last night and it was unreal the amount of times I had to do this.
Kept believing I was setting the hand up where I do it with AA but it never came
In Response to Re: 3bet pot, flop straight, scary turn - what to do? : haha I played 50p/£1 last night and it was unreal the amount of times I had to do this. Kept believing I was setting the hand up where I do it with AA but it never came Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Yeh it wasn't always blind on blind, but it seemed most times I opened, he would come into the pot, wether it be a call, or mainly a raise.
I won a couple of hands v him.
He obviously targetted me as a weak player at the table, never played him before, maybe he's seen me, or maybe he just knew I was playing higher than usual and wanted to put pressure on me - maybe he even had a hand everytime, but doubt it.
Most of the time I just folded, as they were hands like 89s, small pairs, I 4 bet with AK and he folded.
Didn't go on for long, he left, was a shame was enjoying the challenge at that level which I dnt normally get playing schoolboy abc poker at 15/30 and 20/40.
I had to keep raising with these hands, so that when the big hand did come along, I'd get action. I guess if Id folded to all his 3 bets prior to 'big hand' though, when I continue it's gonna set alarm bells goin and probably wont get much business post flop.
How do u cope with this? - Tighten up ur raising range against this type of player? - or continue and speculate with the low pairs, suited cons hands, OOP against a cerial 3 better?(I wouldnt fancy playing OOP against him)
Was only 100bb's deep when he was at the table, things got better when he left but committing 13bbs OOP with those sorta hands surely cant be good?
Yeh it wasn't always blind on blind, but it seemed most times I opened, he would come into the pot, wether it be a call, or mainly a raise. I won a couple of hands v him. He obviously targetted me as a weak player at the table, never played him before, maybe he's seen me, or maybe he just knew I was playing higher than usual and wanted to put pressure on me - maybe he even had a hand everytime, but doubt it. Most of the time I just folded, as they were hands like 89s, small pairs, I 4 bet with AK and he folded. Didn't go on for long, he left, was a shame was enjoying the challenge at that level which I dnt normally get playing schoolboy abc poker at 15/30 and 20/40. I had to keep raising with these hands, so that when the big hand did come along, I'd get action. I guess if Id folded to all his 3 bets prior to 'big hand' though, when I continue it's gonna set alarm bells goin and probably wont get much business post flop.How do u cope with this? - Tighten up ur raising range against this type of player? - or continue and speculate with the low pairs, suited cons hands, OOP against a cerial 3 better?(I wouldnt fancy playing OOP against him) Was only 100bb's deep when he was at the table, things got better when he left but committing 13bbs OOP with those sorta hands surely cant be good?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH
This was why I asked my questions above, because how you react to the persons strategy is very important. The quicker you can pick up on what they are doing and adjust the less money the can win from you just by doing that one action.
If you are opening with any pair, any suited ace, any two broadways, and suited 1 and 2 gappers (45s+ 64s+ etc) then that's about 24% of hands.
If you are only continuing with 66+, AKo+ and AQs+ then you are now continuing with 5.6% of your starting hands. or 24/5.6 or about 23% of the hands you open, which means you are folding 75% of the time that you open.
If you are playing nl100 and open the btn to 3, the bb makes it 9.
he is risking 6 to win 0.5+3+3, forget about the small blind and he is risking 6 to win 6. if you are folding >50% of the time then he is showing an instant profit just by 3 betting your button open, and that is not taking into account any time he makes a hand or makes you fold post flop which will all add to the value of the 3 bet.
You've got to remember that the higher his 3betting frequency the weaker his 3 betting range is. Which means you should be calling less in position for implied odds and more in position because you can a) have the best hand and b) take it away on different board textures that hit your perceived range. Geddit?
beaneh did you tell doyle what to put in super system? Posted by BlackFish3
Not all of it, interestingly enough though the one time i've played with him I got to the table and he instantly said 'have I played with you before son?'
I mumbled something rubbish and proceeded to dribble on myself and go out slowly......... good times
In Response to Re: 3bet pot, flop straight, scary turn - what to do? : This was why I asked my questions above, because how you react to the persons strategy is very important. The quicker you can pick up on what they are doing and adjust the less money the can win from you just by doing that one action. If you are opening with any pair, any suited ace, any two broadways, and suited 1 and 2 gappers (45s+ 64s+ etc) then that's about 24% of hands. If you are only continuing with 66+, AKo+ and AQs+ then you are now continuing with 5.6% of your starting hands. or 24/5.6 or about 23% of the hands you open, which means you are folding 75% of the time that you open. If you are playing nl100 and open the btn to 3, the bb makes it 9. he is risking 6 to win 0.5+3+3, forget about the small blind and he is risking 6 to win 6. if you are folding >50% of the time then he is showing an instant profit just by 3 betting your button open, and that is not taking into account any time he makes a hand or makes you fold post flop which will all add to the value of the 3 bet. You've got to remember that the higher his 3betting frequency the weaker his 3 betting range is. Which means you should be calling less in position for implied odds and more in position because you can a) have the best hand and b) take it away on different board textures that hit your perceived range. Geddit? Posted by beaneh
Feel free to call me a dumb ar se but I don't get this? Is he not risking 9 to win 3?
In Response to Re: 3bet pot, flop straight, scary turn - what to do? : Feel free to call me a dumb ar se but I don't get this? Is he not risking 9 to win 3? Posted by Patching99
if there is a raise to 3 from the button with the blinds at 0.5/1
the big blind has to call 2 to see the flop if he is going to raise he 'calls the 2' and then puts in his raise, this amount is the amount to be called and so we add up what is already in the pot and use these two figures to work out our pot odds.
so from 3 to 9
he puts the 3 in and raises 6. he is risking 6 to win the money in the pot which is 3 (the original raise) + (the small blind 0.5 which I removed in my eg to make it easier!) + 3 (the money he put in to match the original raise).
thanks babes. impossible to work out 8/4.5 though as we discussed. I prefer my basic/incorrect maths
And your refund was sent 2 days ago mate to "that guy...... erm his msn nickname is ****** isn't that enough for a bank transfer?!" Lemme know when you get it.
nah i meant when i took a % of you for the $5k? event they had at dtd ages ago and brunson paralysed your poker skills with his awesome hat Posted by LOL_RAISE
yeah I know what you meant, i'm happy with how I played still but having a hand or a vaguely profitable situation would have been nice!
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What 'reads' would you need to have to justify a 3 bet here with ace 4?
Give me some characteristics/tendancies of a player you would 3 bet here........
"Design your own villain"
Kept believing I was setting the hand up where I do it with AA but it never came
Yeh it wasn't always blind on blind, but it seemed most times I opened, he would come into the pot, wether it be a call, or mainly a raise.
I won a couple of hands v him.
He obviously targetted me as a weak player at the table, never played him before, maybe he's seen me, or maybe he just knew I was playing higher than usual and wanted to put pressure on me - maybe he even had a hand everytime, but doubt it.
Most of the time I just folded, as they were hands like 89s, small pairs, I 4 bet with AK and he folded.
Didn't go on for long, he left, was a shame was enjoying the challenge at that level which I dnt normally get playing schoolboy abc poker at 15/30 and 20/40.
I had to keep raising with these hands, so that when the big hand did come along, I'd get action. I guess if Id folded to all his 3 bets prior to 'big hand' though, when I continue it's gonna set alarm bells goin and probably wont get much business post flop.
How do u cope with this? - Tighten up ur raising range against this type of player? - or continue and speculate with the low pairs, suited cons hands, OOP against a cerial 3 better?(I wouldnt fancy playing OOP against him)
Was only 100bb's deep when he was at the table, things got better when he left
sb 0.5
bb 1
if bb makes it 9bb he(or she (not rli)) is risking 8 to win 4.5
oh and ur drooling at doyle cost me a % of you i believe, i wants a refund