gary what she said was rather than winning 1 out of 4 tournaments she would rather cash in them all but NOT at the expense of a win. In other words she wants to cash every tournament preferably by winning. Posted by BlackFish3
Which is why I keep going out around 2nd break!!
How to crack the 2nd break deadlock is the quandry...
Oh yeah, that's what happens you post in a hurry at 2-00am. BTW, is the birth of a new kind of bad beat thread? Instead of the usual method of quoting individual bad-beats, the OP is giving us his hard luck story by a statistical method, ie when all-in he's always nearly ahead until the river. Posted by GaryQQQ
If so then it's certainly displaying signs of dedication to the cause!!!
Hello people, for the last week or so i thought id have a look at my game to see why i cant win anything at poker.i don't use any fancy software for tracking things so i only had my tourney info from sky to go by. so i went through every tourney iv played on sky which equalled 258 tournaments. i then counted how many times id gone all-in and if i was ahead or behind in the hand and what the outcome was. so here we go. 258 tournaments played All-in = 295 ahead pre flop = 276 ( 19 behind ) ahead after flop = 254 ( 22 behind ) ahead after turn = 228 ( 26 behind ) ahead after river = 41 ( 187 behind ) Where i moved All-in All-in pre flop =183 All-in on flop = 79 All-in turn card = 27 All-in on river = 6 what got me about this was the big leap from leading in 228 hands after the turn card then losing a massive 187 hands on the river card. on the plus side at least i'v get my money in when ahead i alot. i dont know if there is any value in what i found but i was surprised by how many i lost on the river. now for my question, Can you be so unlucky that you shouldn't play or do you stick with in and hope your luck changes?? Posted by BURNShurtz
this looks pretty unlucky to me, are you playing to tight then getting low on blinds and having to shove? try to change your stratagy by looking to get chiped up early
Where did you get your stats from? How did you calculate if you're "ahead" or "behind"? I just dont see the point in this thread... or what you expect to gain from it to actually improve your game!
Oh yeah, sorry, that's what happens you post in a hurry at 2-00am. BTW, is the birth of a new kind of bad beat thread? Instead of the usual method of quoting individual bad-beats, the OP is giving us his hard luck story by a statistical method, ie when he gets all-in he's nearly always ahead until the river card. Posted by GaryQQQ
Results oriented thread ftw! Where did you get your stats from? How did you calculate if you're "ahead" or "behind"? I just dont see the point in this thread... or what you expect to gain from it to actually improve your game! Posted by Deadluck
i asked sky for my entire hand history for all torneys id played in. easy to calculate if i was ahead or behide as all these hands were played to the river. for the your higlighted point, that was the question ( does it mean anything ) maybe you should read the title next time..
btw some of your numbers are a bit confusing like " ahead after river = 41 ( 187 behind )" If you've been all in 295 times, shouldn't that add up to 295? Posted by BelovedLtd
In Response to Re: 295 tournament all-ins, does it mean anything?? : it does Posted by BURNShurtz
41+187 doesn't add up to 295 does it.
I can see where the numbers come from in your post, but I was pointing out that I don't think that's a good way of presenting them as whatever use they do have gets undermined by presenting them like that.
All in all I think there is a very limited amount you can take from what you've posted, a fairly vital piece of information would be how many people are in these hands as obviously that makes a huge difference in the likelihood of getting beaten overall.
What you have shown suggests you might be playing too tight, either by letting yourself get too short stacked late on and shoving with a chip stack that means you're definitely going to get called - or too tight in that you're overvaluing the premium hole cards early on and losing your whole stack that way.
But I'd stick with, there's not much you can take from what you've posted there are too many variables in individual hands to consider.
In Response to Re: 295 tournament all-ins, does it mean anything?? : In Response to Re: 295 tournament all-ins, does it mean anything?? : 41+187 doesn't add up to 295 does it. I can see where the numbers come from in your post, but I was pointing out that I don't think that's a good way of presenting them as whatever use they do have gets undermined by presenting them like that. All in all I think there is a very limited amount you can take from what you've posted, a fairly vital piece of information would be how many people are in these hands as obviously that makes a huge difference in the likelihood of getting beaten overall. What you have shown suggests you might be playing too tight, either by letting yourself get too short stacked late on and shoving with a chip stack that means you're definitely going to get called - or too tight in that you're overvaluing the premium hole cards early on and losing your whole stack that way. But I'd stick with, there's not much you can take from what you've posted there are too many variables in individual hands to consider. Posted by BelovedLtd
if you add all the numbers in () and my winning hands of 41 it adds to 295, the numbers in the brackets are the diffrence between each street. i didnt think it was that confusing. i posted it on here coz i didnt know if there was any usefull info in it.
thanks to the people who left helpful comments, i think that i am possibly leaving myself to short stacked so when i do get premium hands to many opponents have the odds to call me. thanks again
Hello people, for the last week or so i thought id have a look at my game to see why i cant win anything at poker.i don't use any fancy software for tracking things so i only had my tourney info from sky to go by. so i went through every tourney iv played on sky which equalled 258 tournaments. i then counted how many times id gone all-in and if i was ahead or behind in the hand and what the outcome was. so here we go. 258 tournaments played All-in = 295 ahead pre flop = 276 ( 19 behind ) ahead after flop = 254 ( 22 behind ) ahead after turn = 228 ( 26 behind ) ahead after river = 41 ( 187 behind ) Where i moved All-in All-in pre flop =183 All-in on flop = 79 All-in turn card = 27 All-in on river = 6 what got me about this was the big leap from leading in 228 hands after the turn card then losing a massive 187 hands on the river card. on the plus side at least i'v get my money in when ahead i alot. i dont know if there is any value in what i found but i was surprised by how many i lost on the river. now for my question, Can you be so unlucky that you shouldn't play or do you stick with in and hope your luck changes?? Posted by BURNShurtz
hello BURNShurtz
You have a mix of statistics which is masking the issue. To see the picture take a more simple view of your figures. There are two key conclusions.
Firstly, of the 295 all-in hands you won 108 and lost 187. This is about right knowing that you will be playing against at least one opponent.
Secondly, your assessment of being ahead or behind at each stage before the river is determined by a flawed method. Certainty is assured on the river of course. Prior to the river, your assessment, is where the error and distortion lie. Those figures are nonsensical. Specifically, you say that you were all-in pre flop 183 times yet ahead pre-flop 276 times. I guess that the "behind" figures were calculated after all other totals were produced in which case they carry the error.
I see that your data relates only to the hands where your opponent(s) doesn't fold. There are too few all-ins for 258 tournaments. If on, say, 500 other occasions you went all-in without seeing all five cards, the ratio of wins to losses would be approximately 3:1.
In Response to 295 tournament all-ins, does it mean anything?? : hello BURNShurtz You have a mix of statistics which is masking the issue. To see the picture take a more simple view of your figures. There are two key conclusions. Firstly, of the 295 all-in hands you won 108 and lost 187. This is about right knowing that you will be playing against at least one opponent. Secondly, your assessment of being ahead or behind at each stage before the river is determined by a flawed method. Certainty is assured on the river of course. Prior to the river, your assessment, is where the error and distortion lie. Those figures are nonsensical. Specifically, you say that you were all-in pre flop 183 times yet ahead pre-flop 276 times. I guess that the "behind" figures were calculated after all other totals were produced in which case they carry the error. I see that your data relates only to the hands where your opponent(s) doesn't fold. There are too few all-ins for 258 tournaments. If on, say, 500 other occasions you went all-in without seeing all five cards, the ratio of wins to losses would be approximately 3:1. Everything is normal and understandable. Best regards, Rob Posted by aussie09
hello thanks for the post, i think i did not present the info in as well a manner as i should of as alot of confusion has come from the numbers so i will try and explain. all these hands where played to the finish so it was easy to find out if i was ahead or behind i just had to look through the details of each hand. The ( behind) numbers are the difference between each betting round where my oop is now leading the hand, i should of explained that better in the post as i think this is where the most confusion comes from.I maybe should of left those numbers out. i only won 41 hands out of the 295. on the first page of this thread i have posted my hole cards for the hands, i think you'd except that if i actually posted all 295 hands then most people would of got bored by the 5 hand. thanks again for the post, i have noticed that unless you are a forum regular alot of people don't want to help or just write pointless things down.
do you mean that you have gone all in 295 times, out of position, with the range of hole cards listed above and that you have won 41 times? this is 1 in 7. if so, i think that you may be over eager and you might be accelerating the betting too rapidly.
add the figures for all-ins where you don't see the five community cards. you might find that your approach produces 1,000 winning plays. in which case, fab.
i think you've been analysing too narrow a set of figures.
hi, do you mean that you have gone all in 295 times, out of position, with the range of hole cards listed above and that you have won 41 times? this is 1 in 7. if so, i think that you may be over eager and you might be accelerating the betting too rapidly. regards rob Posted by aussie09
yes that's right, 41 wins, i haven't covered what positions they all were tho. the highlighted section is interesting because a few people think that im probably not going all-in enough and may be waiting to long for good hands. Then when i get the hands a big stack a can easily call me light. thanks again
add the figures for all-ins where you don't see the five community cards. you might find that your approach produces 1,000 winning plays. in which case, fab. i think you've been analysing too narrow a set of figures. Posted by aussie09
there are no others, 295 is my total number of all-ins which all played through. no one folded to my raises.
so you've never gone all-in and seen an opponent fold? Posted by aussie09
no. i try not to go all-in to often as thats how you go out. i dont just sit there waiting all day however i still play and get people to fold but not by going all in. it scares me. maybe its the size games i play?
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try to change your stratagy by looking to get chiped up early
Where did you get your stats from? How did you calculate if you're "ahead" or "behind"? I just dont see the point in this thread... or what you expect to gain from it to actually improve your game!
In Response to Re: 295 tournament all-ins, does it mean anything??: In Response to Re: 295 tournament all-ins, does it mean anything??: 41+187 doesn't add up to 295 does it.
I can see where the numbers come from in your post, but I was pointing out that I don't think that's a good way of presenting them as whatever use they do have gets undermined by presenting them like that.
All in all I think there is a very limited amount you can take from what you've posted, a fairly vital piece of information would be how many people are in these hands as obviously that makes a huge difference in the likelihood of getting beaten overall.
What you have shown suggests you might be playing too tight, either by letting yourself get too short stacked late on and shoving with a chip stack that means you're definitely going to get called - or too tight in that you're overvaluing the premium hole cards early on and losing your whole stack that way.
But I'd stick with, there's not much you can take from what you've posted there are too many variables in individual hands to consider.
thanks again
hello BURNShurtz
You have a mix of statistics which is masking the issue. To see the picture take a more simple view of your figures. There are two key conclusions.
Firstly, of the 295 all-in hands you won 108 and lost 187. This is about right knowing that you will be playing against at least one opponent.
Secondly, your assessment of being ahead or behind at each stage before the river is determined by a flawed method. Certainty is assured on the river of course. Prior to the river, your assessment, is where the error and distortion lie. Those figures are nonsensical. Specifically, you say that you were all-in pre flop 183 times yet ahead pre-flop 276 times. I guess that the "behind" figures were calculated after all other totals were produced in which case they carry the error.
I see that your data relates only to the hands where your opponent(s) doesn't fold. There are too few all-ins for 258 tournaments. If on, say, 500 other occasions you went all-in without seeing all five cards, the ratio of wins to losses would be approximately 3:1.
Everything is normal and understandable.
Best regards,
Rob
all these hands where played to the finish so it was easy to find out if i was ahead or behind i just had to look through the details of each hand.
The ( behind) numbers are the difference between each betting round where my oop is now leading the hand, i should of explained that better in the post as i think this is where the most confusion comes from.I maybe should of left those numbers out.
i only won 41 hands out of the 295.
on the first page of this thread i have posted my hole cards for the hands, i think you'd except that if i actually posted all 295 hands then most people would of got bored by the 5 hand.
thanks again for the post, i have noticed that unless you are a forum regular alot of people don't want to help or just write pointless things down.
do you mean that you have gone all in 295 times, out of position, with the range of hole cards listed above and that you have won 41 times? this is 1 in 7. if so, i think that you may be over eager and you might be accelerating the betting too rapidly.
regards
rob
add the figures for all-ins where you don't see the five community cards. you might find that your approach produces 1,000 winning plays. in which case, fab.
i think you've been analysing too narrow a set of figures.
the highlighted section is interesting because a few people think that im probably not going all-in enough and may be waiting to long for good hands. Then when i get the hands a big stack a can easily call me light.
thanks again
no one folded to my raises.
so you've never gone all-in and seen an opponent fold?
maybe its the size games i play?