In Response to Re: How much should I raise here? : oh dear and what fold to a shove? lol easy shove, villan c-c turn and donk flop looks very much like a slow played flush. if could be a blocker bet, but if it is the whole point of blocker bets are to get a cheap price to showdown, so when you raise they are going to fold. So id shove and go for max value, you range is really polarized at this point to either the NUTS or AIR so good spot imo. Posted by harvey23
Of course you wouldn't fold to a shove. By making a min raise, you are enticing him to shove with a King flush (maybe Q) So your "easy shove" is the worst move both ways round. You will lose the extra £33 most of the time. And worse a K or Q flush could fold- and you've missed getting all his money. I'm sure you'd make more money in the long run, my way (+garyQQQ) rather than your way.
In Response to Re: How much should I raise here? : how much would you raise and what do you expect to get called by? given our line. When we raise the river we are pretty much shouting out "I HAVE A FLUSH EVERY1, I HAVE A FLUSH". any hand reader no matter how poor can see what we are repping. so By betting just £30-70 more what are they calling us with? only flushes and perhaps sets. id milk them for everything for the time they call with smaller flushes and sets. Posted by harvey23
bet cawling sets is realistic
and considering how often you are derogatory about peoples 'standard' hand reading skills, why can they suddenly hand read us easily?
something stupidly small can deffo get looked up a high portion of the time by flushes if not sets.
In Response to Re: How much should I raise here? : bet cawling sets is realistic and considering how often you are derogatory about peoples 'standard' hand reading skills, why can they suddenly hand read us easily? something stupidly small can deffo get looked up a high portion of the time by flushes if not sets. Posted by beaneh
In Response to Re: How much should I raise here? : bet cawling sets is realistic and considering how often you are derogatory about peoples 'standard' hand reading skills, why can they suddenly hand read us easily? something stupidly small can deffo get looked up a high portion of the time by flushes if not sets. Posted by beaneh
look at the line, what hands is any1 raising the river with in position? only flushes and bluffs, assmuing both people in the hand are ok regs.
yeah something small like a min raise can get looked up, but im trying to go for max value here for the times they can fold a set or smaller flush instead of an extra £20-40 from tp/two pair.
for the pesron who said "By making a min raise, you are enticing him to shove with a King flush (maybe Q). they are never folding a K/Q high flush here unless they are teriable players, which they might from what i have seen on sky
In Response to Re: How much should I raise here? : look at the line, what hands is any1 raising the river with in position? only flushes and bluffs, assmuing both people in the hand are ok regs. yeah something small like a min raise can get looked up, but im trying to go for max value here for the times they can fold a set or smaller flush instead of an extra £20-40 from tp/two pair. for the pesron who said "By making a min raise, you are enticing him to shove with a King flush (maybe Q). they are never folding a K/Q high flush here unless they are teriable players, which they might from what i have seen on sky Posted by harvey23
a shove is terrible against this player if he was a muppet then i would agree that an overbet would be good, this vilain is calling a min raise 100% of the time so its how much more you can get i think 80 sounds ok
In Response to Re: How much should I raise here? : oh dear and what fold to a shove? lol easy shove, villan c-c turn and donk flop looks very much like a slow played flush. if could be a blocker bet, but if it is the whole point of blocker bets are to get a cheap price to showdown, so when you raise they are going to fold. So id shove and go for max value, you range is really polarized at this point to either the NUTS or AIR so good spot imo. Posted by harvey23
i mean thats a nice sentence and everything but it doesnt apply here. No one is shoving air in this spot.
Good thread scotty, i would make it 93. I think shoving isnt a great option.
In Response to Re: How much should I raise here? : raise <100 imo, shove does good job of making them fold what we can actually hope to get value from. sets are not bet calling this river especially not to a shove that's so lol. Posted by beaneh
That's great to know I can easily see myself shoving with something like Ac9x
In Response to Re: How much should I raise here? : Maybe take out an advert in the paper next time you want to work on your image lmao. Posted by beaneh
heh I don't think I need to advertise. I don't want to say any more but don't be 100% sure that noone is ever bluffing when they can rep the nuts and their opponent have their hand face up.
re the hand: obviously you are not allowed to shove if you cannot rep bluffs at all
In Response to Re: How much should I raise here? : heh I don't think I need to advertise. I don't want to say any more but don't be 100% sure that noone is ever bluffing when they can rep the nuts and their opponent have their hand face up. re the hand: obviously you are not allowed to shove if you cannot rep bluffs at all Posted by Chemlst
in general though against sky oppos they aren't bluff in these spots lol
In Response to Re: How much should I raise here? : ahahah I must have just sat out. you can normally find me at either 0.01/0.02 play money or at the £1 DYMS Posted by beaneh
nah if u not at a table it says so, but when u search ur name it says 'player not found', htought u might have gone for a hero get sky to block searching ur name :P...guess ur just an enigma!
In Response to Re: How much should I raise here? : nah if u not at a table it says so, but when u search ur name it says 'player not found', htought u might have gone for a hero get sky to block searching ur name :P...guess ur just an enigma! Posted by lynx3ffect
it's kinda pointless to hide from search when i'm on most tables at some limits!
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By making a min raise, you are enticing him to shove with a King flush (maybe Q)
So your "easy shove" is the worst move both ways round.
You will lose the extra £33 most of the time.
And worse a K or Q flush could fold- and you've missed getting all his money.
I'm sure you'd make more money in the long run, my way (+garyQQQ) rather than your way.
yeah something small like a min raise can get looked up, but im trying to go for max value here for the times they can fold a set or smaller flush instead of an extra £20-40 from tp/two pair.
for the pesron who said "By making a min raise, you are enticing him to shove with a King flush (maybe Q). they are never folding a K/Q high flush here unless they are teriable players, which they might from what i have seen on sky
Good thread scotty, i would make it 93. I think shoving isnt a great option.
re the hand: obviously you are not allowed to shove if you cannot rep bluffs at all