I think sky have already addressed it partly, the freerolls now registration opens 3 hours before the tournament starts, where as b4 it was 24 hours and people were registering the day before then not turning up.
In Response to Re: PLayers Away : Yes, that all makes sense Lewis, but it misses one central point. You cannot have one set of rules, & one set of software, for Freerolls & another for normal "paid" Tourneys. It's simply not possible. So it's one, or the other. The reason I have engaged in debate on this thread is because to arrive at the best, & correct, solution, for the Sky Poker Clients, Sky Poker need to understand the problem. They sought the view of myself & others, but I was, & am not, able to grasp the problem. And as yet, nobody has explained to me why it exercises people's minds so much. Posted by Tikay10
I guess one way around it could be to delay registration of freerolls until the tournament is about to begin (say 10-15 mins before its about to start), this way the majority of people registering will actually be 'sat in' at the tables. Obviously when its not a freeroll people have paid their entry fee and are free to do whatever they wish.
Like brownndog, though, I'm always happy to help myself to some free blinds early on. One time I was playing a tourny and I think there was connection problems because everyone was away apart from me for a few minutes, so I had the cursor hovered over the raise button clicking it as fast as I could lol.
I think sky have already addressed it partly, the freerolls now registration opens 3 hours before the tournament starts, where as b4 it was 24 hours and people were registering the day before then not turning up. Posted by 35suited
In Response to Re: PLayers Away : I guess one way around it could be to delay registration of freerolls until the tournament is about to begin (say 10-15 mins before its about to start), this way the majority of people registering will actually be 'sat in' at the tables. Obviously when its not a freeroll people have paid their entry fee and are free to do whatever they wish. Like brownndog, though, I'm always happy to help myself to some free blinds early on. One time I was playing a tourny and I think there was connection problems because everyone was away apart from me for a few minutes, so I had the cursor hovered over the raise button clicking it as fast as I could lol. Posted by yb
Yes YB, I understand that, but it does not address my problem. What I need to try to understand is WHY it upsets people that there are "away" players.
If Tesco offer 500 cans of Baked Beans for free, & the first 500 to "register" qualify to go grab them, then as far as I'm concerned, the less opposition I face, the better. Why would I want all 500 to turn up?
Less poker players means more chips. Less Tesco customers meanz more beanz.
That's the disconnect I have, I can't grasp why it is perceived to be a problem.
i think the problem is that for over an hour people are just raising to steal and people that want to play the game cant as there is no 1 there to play thats y i think people are complaning about it..... its not a proper game to them
HI TK , IN MY CASE IT IS ILLOGICAL BUT IT TILTS THE BEANS OUT OF ME . ITS THE MAIN REASON I DON'T ENTER MANY FREEROLLS.IF IM ALONE AT A TABLE , HAPPY TIMES BUT HAVING TO PLAY H/U IN THE FIRST HOUR IS NOT THE REASON I ENTERED AND JUST GRRRRSSS ME .
HI TK , IN MY CASE IT IS ILLOGICAL BUT IT TILTS THE BEANS OUT OF ME . ITS THE MAIN REASON I DON'T ENTER MANY FREEROLLS.IF IM ALONE AT A TABLE , HAPPY TIMES BUT HAVING TO PLAY H/U IN THE FIRST HOUR IS NOT THE REASON I ENTERED AND JUST GRRRRSSS ME . Posted by PILLOWMAN
The large number of away's for the August freerolls was frustrating for those of us who aren't experienced enough to multi table.
Sitting stealing blinds for up to an hour followed by 30 second breaks whilst away players had the chance to rebuy which they were never going to take up whilst the big stacks and the average chip amount accelerated faster than you could mop up blinds wasn't the end of the world but wasn't much fun either.
I can see that Sky can't do anything about this through the tournament software. Shortening registration times ought to work, as should having to use points to enter which would place a minimal entry value whilst making players think slightly more about whether they're going to play or not before registering. This would also give slightly more reward to those who pay to play on the site and accumulate points by doing so.
Sitting out is part of the game for some people, i hate playing the first 30 mins of any torny because the blinds are so small so i usually sit out or constantly fold until later. You can sit out in live events so you can sit out in online aswell. Freerolls are a bit diff because last month people where entering them a day early because they where filling up quick but then they may no be able to make the tournament. (this is because there was some competition on freerolls) I dont like stealing blinds in poker early on but i aint going to complain about it.
I agree it can be annoying when you get a premium hand and want value or when you are sitting with connecters and want every1 in however the cards there folding may well be better hands that thay can knock you out with. Its part of poker which will never be removed because there circumstances live and online where you cant be at the table.
Just one tip when there are people away at your table your hands are far better than when there is a full table of players.
The large number of away's for the August freerolls was frustrating for those of us who aren't experienced enough to multi table. Sitting stealing blinds for up to an hour followed by 30 second breaks whilst away players had the chance to rebuy which they were never going to take up whilst the big stacks and the average chip amount accelerated faster than you could mop up blinds wasn't the end of the world but wasn't much fun either. I can see that Sky can't do anything about this through the tournament software. Shortening registration times ought to work, as should having to use points to enter which would place a minimal entry value whilst making players think slightly more about whether they're going to play or not before registering. This would also give slightly more reward to those who pay to play on the site and accumulate points by doing so. Posted by harding10
GREAT & balanced reply Mr Harding, (are you Gilbert's son by any chance?), thank you.
To me, if someone is giving me some free money, I'm inclined to the view that I'd show a little patience (& I AM impatient!) in return for the shot at free money, enhanced shot, too, as I'd have mopped up 5 times my Starting Stack before the game began in earnest. That's the bit I struggle with, do you not think it's a sort of quid pro quo?
Sitting out is part of the game for some people, i hate playing the first 30 mins of any torny because the blinds are so small so i usually sit out or constantly fold until later. You can sit out in live events so you can sit out in online aswell. Freerolls are a bit diff because last month people where entering them a day early because they where filling up quick but then they may no be able to make the tournament. (this is because there was some competition on freerolls) I dont like stealing blinds in poker early on but i aint going to complain about it. I agree it can be annoying when you get a premium hand and want value or when you are sitting with connecters and want every1 in however the cards there folding may well be better hands that thay can knock you out with. Its part of poker which will never be removed because there circumstances live and online where you cant be at the table. Just one tip when there are people away at your table your hands are far better than when there is a full table of players. Posted by Batkin88
I'm not 100% sure, Miss Batkin, but I think I may love you.
In Response to Re: PLayers Away : I'm not 100% sure, Miss Batkin, but I think I may love you. Posted by Tikay10
Charmed Mr Kendall!!!
However i am right I dont understand why or how you can have a problem with people being away?? Your beans story summed it up tbh. And if you dont want people jumping in raise preflop because otherwise you letting them limp. I know that morphino is a big stakes player aswell so its suprising the thread was started by him so must be happening in paid tornys aswell.
It is impossible to insist, or police, that if someone registers for a freeroll that they are not "away"
Freerolls by their very nature are free, and therefore when someone sees that it's free they register straight away without thinking.
If i see someone handing out free samples of stuff in a shopping centre i take it. I dont care what it is.
I might never use the moisturiser lotion or the coffee beans and they are probably still sitting in a drawer somewhere. But there you go, its human nature.
When some people register for a freeroll, they don't remember (or care) that they have registered, its common across ALL poker websites. I have played many freerolls over the years and it is very unusual to have a full active table at the start and for the first few levels.
The point i am making is that freerolls are a different kind of poker. We should accept them for what they are imo. if we want a full active table (which is harder to beat imo!) then play real money games!
Even the very smallest real money games usually have full active tables, but if people choose to pay and not turn up then well they are silly.
In Response to Re: PLayers Away : Charmed Mr Kendall!!! However i am right I dont understand why or how you can have a problem with people being away?? Your beans story summed it up tbh. And if you dont want people jumping in raise preflop because otherwise you letting them limp. I know that morphino is a big stakes player aswell so its suprising the thread was started by him so must be happening in paid tornys aswell. Posted by Batkin88
I DO love you, because....
1) You are bright, intelligent & articulate, with a good balanced mind.
2) The "88" in your alias - "batkin88" - reminds me of my favourite London bus Route, the 88. The 88 Bus Route even has it's own Wikipidea Page. Look, it's here....
May I surgest to stop people jumping in when they have a premium hand the hand that is showing when they press Im back cant be played. Posted by Donut64
Donut for the win. Regardless of whether it is a freeroll, a dym or the primo, if you are "away" you should be out for the whole level, with no option of jumping in when the premium hand arrives during it.
as far as im concerned away players can sit out the whole tourny if they like,and if its a "hidden" player you will soon realise he has a hand if he only pops up every so often.
tk,you say the suits are interested in the clients veiws and this subject gets a lot of compliants, but please dont let them change the rules just because players dont like it (even if they are in the majority)
I honestly don't understand why anybody has a problem with players being "away". Surely you would be better off in the later stages of a tourney having accumulated blinds for half an hour to an hour, rather than playing for your tournament life. It really is a no-brainer as far as i can see.
As for people jumping in when they have premium hands, i know (and it's been mentioned here on previous threads of this ilk) that there are some sites that automatically sit you out the hand if you are not registered as "there" when the cards are dealt. If that was implemented on here then people wouldn't be able to jump in with their aces because it would fold straight away.
In answer to your question Tikay ( i personally don't mind in the slightest the away players, i just pinch their blinds) but i will try to explain the 'haters' reasoning as i have come to understand it.
The main problems seem to occur in freerolls (and always will)
1. Sometimes the registration is full, you cannot any longer register but when it starts there are 'hundreds' away - annoying? i suppose yes! (i've registered myself and not bothered turning up)
2. On a 3 player away table, after an hour you have pinched the chips with 2 other players, that means you have lets say 6000 chips - whoopee? No not really, you are now 587th / 954 and the chip leader has 128,000 because he has been fighting out with 'not away' players( for not away players read my thread from way back lol ) and the blinds are now 1000/2000 lol
I honestly don't understand why anybody has a problem with players being "away". Surely you would be better off in the later stages of a tourney having accumulated blinds for half an hour to an hour, rather than playing for your tournament life. It really is a no-brainer as far as i can see. As for people jumping in when they have premium hands, i know (and it's been mentioned here on previous threads of this ilk) that there are some sites that automatically sit you out the hand if you are not registered as "there" when the cards are dealt. If that was implemented on here then people wouldn't be able to jump in with their aces because it would fold straight away. Posted by labrat64
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I think sky have already addressed it partly, the freerolls now registration opens 3 hours before the tournament starts, where as b4 it was 24 hours and people were registering the day before then not turning up.
Like brownndog, though, I'm always happy to help myself to some free blinds early on. One time I was playing a tourny and I think there was connection problems because everyone was away apart from me for a few minutes, so I had the cursor hovered over the raise button clicking it as fast as I could lol.
If Tesco offer 500 cans of Baked Beans for free, & the first 500 to "register" qualify to go grab them, then as far as I'm concerned, the less opposition I face, the better. Why would I want all 500 to turn up?
Less poker players means more chips. Less Tesco customers meanz more beanz.
That's the disconnect I have, I can't grasp why it is perceived to be a problem.
i think the problem is that for over an hour people are just raising to steal and people that want to play the game cant as there is no 1 there to play thats y i think people are complaning about it..... its not a proper game to them
HI TK , IN MY CASE IT IS ILLOGICAL BUT IT TILTS THE BEANS OUT OF ME
Sitting stealing blinds for up to an hour followed by 30 second breaks whilst away players had the chance to rebuy which they were never going to take up whilst the big stacks and the average chip amount accelerated faster than you could mop up blinds wasn't the end of the world but wasn't much fun either.
I can see that Sky can't do anything about this through the tournament software. Shortening registration times ought to work, as should having to use points to enter which would place a minimal entry value whilst making players think slightly more about whether they're going to play or not before registering. This would also give slightly more reward to those who pay to play on the site and accumulate points by doing so.
Sitting out is part of the game for some people, i hate playing the first 30 mins of any torny because the blinds are so small so i usually sit out or constantly fold until later. You can sit out in live events so you can sit out in online aswell. Freerolls are a bit diff because last month people where entering them a day early because they where filling up quick but then they may no be able to make the tournament. (this is because there was some competition on freerolls) I dont like stealing blinds in poker early on but i aint going to complain about it.
I agree it can be annoying when you get a premium hand and want value or when you are sitting with connecters and want every1 in however the cards there folding may well be better hands that thay can knock you out with. Its part of poker which will never be removed because there circumstances live and online where you cant be at the table.
Just one tip when there are people away at your table your hands are far better than when there is a full table of players.
To me, if someone is giving me some free money, I'm inclined to the view that I'd show a little patience (& I AM impatient!) in return for the shot at free money, enhanced shot, too, as I'd have mopped up 5 times my Starting Stack before the game began in earnest. That's the bit I struggle with, do you not think it's a sort of quid pro quo?
However i am right
I dont understand why or how you can have a problem with people being away?? Your beans story summed it up tbh.
And if you dont want people jumping in raise preflop because otherwise you letting them limp.
I know that morphino is a big stakes player aswell so its suprising the thread was started by him so must be happening in paid tornys aswell.
It is impossible to insist, or police, that if someone registers for a freeroll that they are not "away"
Freerolls by their very nature are free, and therefore when someone sees that it's free they register straight away without thinking.
If i see someone handing out free samples of stuff in a shopping centre i take it. I dont care what it is.
I might never use the moisturiser lotion or the coffee beans and they are probably still sitting in a drawer somewhere. But there you go, its human nature.
When some people register for a freeroll, they don't remember (or care) that they have registered, its common across ALL poker websites. I have played many freerolls over the years and it is very unusual to have a full active table at the start and for the first few levels.
The point i am making is that freerolls are a different kind of poker. We should accept them for what they are imo. if we want a full active table (which is harder to beat imo!) then play real money games!
Even the very smallest real money games usually have full active tables, but if people choose to pay and not turn up then well they are silly.
1) You are bright, intelligent & articulate, with a good balanced mind.
2) The "88" in your alias - "batkin88" - reminds me of my favourite London bus Route, the 88. The 88 Bus Route even has it's own Wikipidea Page. Look, it's here....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Buses_route_88
I think we were made to be forever together.
As to the "away players", I wrote you some song lyrics, but keep them to yourself, in case Mark Knopfler tries to nick them.
"It's a mystery to me - the poker game commences
for the usual fee - plus expenses"
Don't forget, not a word to a soul - it's confidential information.
tk,you say the suits are interested in the clients veiws and this subject gets a lot of compliants, but please dont let them change the rules just because players dont like it (even if they are in the majority)