its speech play-- no matter what way you look at it--
its speech play -the offending player should be warned at the very least -if not maybe even chat banned -- this hand is irrelevant to what is right and wrong-- speech play is cheating in any situation--
its hardly the way to encourage players to this site if this becomes the 'norm' in the chat box--
however 77lucky77 hardly a case for solicitors to be involved-- it may end with not only with you getting forum banned -- but also having your account closed--
everyone should know its wrong but because all the 'faces' are ridiculing you and the talk of solicitors they wont admit your right--
its speech play-- no matter what way you look at it-- its speech play -the offending player should be warned at the very least -if not maybe even chat banned -- this hand is irrelevant to what is right and wrong-- speech play is cheating in any situation-- its hardly the way to encourage players to this site if this becomes the 'norm' in the chat box-- however 77lucky77 hardly a case for solicitors to be involved-- it may end with not only with you getting forum banned -- but also having your account closed-- everyone should know its wrong but because all the 'faces' are ridiculing you and the talk of solicitors they wont admit your right-- good luck-- Posted by batman4
speech play certainly is'nt cheating...the top players use it as a powerfull tool to wind up/get info off their opponents,
i think the majority of posts actually agree that it is not right to announce what hand you have its just that lucky decided to take advantage of this info then went nuclear when he lost....
omg i dont care about losing the hand. its the point of telling his hand when players to act ok and i play alot of live games never once have i come across one person who told his cards in play Posted by lucky77777
So you would have been making the same fuss had you won the hand?
And its very simple, if you've got a problem talk to customer care, all this talk of solicitors over a 2 quid tourny is pretty pathetic tbh and just makes you look stupid.
In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : speech play certainly is'nt cheating...the top players use it as a powerfull tool to wind up/get info off their opponents, Posted by DAVEYZZ
ok--so as far as you and skypoker are concerned --
i can declare my cards any time i bet -- fair enough--
as long as we are all playing on an even playing field i know now--
In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : So you would have been making the same fuss had you won the hand? And its very simple, if you've got a problem talk to customer care, all this talk of solicitors over a 2 quid tourny is pretty pathetic tbh and just makes you look stupid. Posted by yb
omg did u read my last post just above yours i dont care about losing the hand do u understand
its speech play-- no matter what way you look at it-- its speech play -the offending player should be warned at the very least -if not maybe even chat banned -- this hand is irrelevant to what is right and wrong-- speech play is cheating in any situation-- its hardly the way to encourage players to this site if this becomes the 'norm' in the chat box-- however 77lucky77 hardly a case for solicitors to be involved-- it may end with not only with you getting forum banned -- but also having your account closed-- everyone should know its wrong but because all the 'faces' are ridiculing you and the talk of solicitors they wont admit your right-- good luck-- Posted by batman4
I trust you are not including me in that, Batman?
I've tried to be constructive & helpful throughout, & advised the OP of their correct course of action, & not once have I ridiculed the OP.
In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : ok--so as far as you and skypoker are concerned -- i can declare my cards any time i bet -- fair enough-- as long as we are all playing on an even playing field i know now-- Posted by batman4
if everytime someone shoved on me then told me what he had id be a very happy man!!!!
In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : I trust you are not including me in that, Batman? I've tried to be constructive & helpful throughout, & advised the OP of their correct course of action, & not once have I ridiculed the OP. Posted by tikay1
NO SIR..you not one of 'the faces' --
you are the guvna--and have tried to be very fair to lucky77 by telling them to contact customer service-- however i feel some of 'the faces' have been unfair to lucky77--
what would be constructive to every member is answering whether i can--based on this thread--
bet 'allin' and declare my hand in the chat box--
ie:--'im allin AJ'--
many thanks--personally i think its cheating-- i dont expect you to say in as many words that you agree-- although forgive me for presuming-- i believe you do--
In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : NO SIR..you not one of 'the faces' -- you are the guvna--and have tried to be very fair to lucky77 by telling them to contact customer service-- however i feel some of 'the faces' have been unfair to lucky77-- what would be constructive to every member is answering whether i can--based on this thread-- bet 'allin' and declare my hand in the chat box-- ie:--'im allin AJ'-- many thanks--personally i think its cheating-- i dont expect you to say in as many words that you agree-- although forgive me for presuming-- i believe you do-- Posted by batman4
ty sir someone who talks sense yes tikay is the guvna
In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : NO SIR..you not one of 'the faces' -- you are the guvna--and have tried to be very fair to lucky77 by telling them to contact customer service-- however i feel some of 'the faces' have been unfair to lucky77-- what would be constructive to every member is answering whether i can--based on this thread-- bet 'allin' and declare my hand in the chat box-- ie:--'im allin AJ'-- many thanks--personally i think its cheating-- i dont expect you to say in as many words that you agree-- although forgive me for presuming-- i believe you do-- Posted by batman4
Thank you Batty.
I confess, the whole thread made me very uncomfortable, I hate it when the mob mentality takes over, & it's fair to say there was a fair degree of humour & tongue-in-cheek ridicule.
But there are two sides to everything, & it's quite evident that the OP was tilted up, & when you clearly show such emotion by the tone of your Posts, you are bound to invite a little "sport".
Personally, if I'd have been a Mod, I would have closed the Thread pretty early, because it was serving no purpose, & was just gradually & inexorably getting more & more out of hand. But I'm not a Mod here, which is very probably a good thing for all of us.
Moderation is a lose-lose role, & excruciatingly difficult, so I'm not being critical of them. But I'd deffo have closed it, because it was so one-sided, & I hate to see anyone getting such treatment, no matter if they be right or wrong.
I was not ridiculing the OP, I just want to make this clear.
I was trying to reason with him and merely questioning the need for a solicitor in this circumstance.
I gave my opinion on the issues of stating your exact hand and i agree with the OP that it is improper to mention your exact hand while play is in progress.
In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : Thank you Batty. I confess, the whole thread made me very uncomfortable, I hate it when the mob mentality takes over, & it's fair to say there was a fair degree of humour & tongue-in-cheek ridicule. But there are two sides to everything, & it's quite evident that the OP was tilted up, & when you clearly show such emotion by the tone of your Posts, you are bound to invite a little "sport". Personally, if I'd have been a Mod, I would have closed the Thread pretty early, because it was serving no purpose, & was just gradually & inexorably getting more & more out of hand. But I'm not a Mod here, which is very probably a good thing for all of us. Moderation is a lose-lose role, & excruciatingly difficult, so I'm not being critical of them. But I'd deffo have closed it, because it was so one-sided, & I hate to see anyone getting such treatment, no matter if they be right or wrong. Posted by Tikay10
NO SIR--its not one sided--im a bit like 'josse wales' never leave a friend behind--especially when they are right-- ) you are ever the diplomat which is great-- however you side stepped the question with feet more nimble than fred astair-- so i wont embarrass anyone here on the subject--
my view would be this for skyrich or a boss to email lucky77--explain that he/she should have gone down the complaints channel--maybe give them a good will gesture --(as i said in previous post, make the site a 'feel good experience' to our customers' when they spend money with us so they would want to come again)
i use the word 'us' loosely it's a motto we have within our sales company--
OH and i wont personally declare my hand-- its not nice ) good luck all- and TK -and thank you for your time--
not sure if this helps in any way. During a live poker game Sammy 'Any Two' asked the Tournament Director if he could turn his cards face up when making a decision whether to call or not. The answer was if he did that, his hand would be dead, mucked. This was during the Euro Cash 2009. I presume, if he were to announce his hole cards, the same would have happend, as he was obviosly trying to gage a reaction from his op - Andrew Feldman I think. I believe the only thing you can get away with in chat, is announcing what you can beat - 'I can beat a set' for e.g. not your actual holdings.
I think this is the issue that Lucky is discussing. The problem is lucky, you should have just folded the hand and requested the other player not to do that again. If it does happen in the future, fold, warn the player - but don't call - thats just accepting his bad etiquette, rule breaking etc and making the call, believing you have the better hand is possibly why this discussion hasn't been given the respect it deserves.
It is breaking the rules and should be reported on the forum and to Customer Care, but the fact that you called hasn't helped your case.
In Response to Re: telling cards b4 the hand is over : NO SIR--its not one sided--im a bit like 'josse wales' never leave a friend behind--especially when they are right-- ) you are ever the diplomat which is great-- however you side stepped the question with feet more nimble than fred astair-- so i wont embarrass anyone here on the subject-- my view would be this for skyrich or a boss to email lucky77--explain that he/she should have gone down the complaints channel--maybe give them a good will gesture --(as i said in previous post, make the site a 'feel good experience' to our customers' when they spend money with us so they would want to come again) i use the word 'us' loosely it's a motto we have within our sales company-- OH and i wont personally declare my hand-- its not nice ) good luck all- and TK -and thank you for your time-- Posted by batman4
I side-stepped the question with good reason - I never had sufficient facts to hand to make a proper judgement, so I decided the best course of action was to say nothing.
A Hand-History was requested, but never materialised.
The fact is, we don't KNOW if the speech-play was improper or not on the evidence we have before us.
The Rules on speech-play can be quite complex, because the dynamics can vary so. Heads-Up, it's completely normal (though not something I would do) to confuse your oppo with speech-play.
I gave some very good advice though (well I thought it was good advice!) about speech play. I said that no poker player should EVER listen to what another player says in a hand. And if they follow that advice, speech play is never going to be a problem, is it?
Really, the whole thing got a bit out of hand, & lost perspective.
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no matter what way you look at it--
its speech play -the offending player should be warned at the very least -if not maybe even chat banned --
this hand is irrelevant to what is right and wrong-- speech play is cheating in any situation--
its hardly the way to encourage players to this site if this becomes the 'norm' in the chat box--
however 77lucky77 hardly a case for solicitors to be involved--
it may end with not only with you getting forum banned --
but also having your account closed--
everyone should know its wrong but because all the 'faces' are ridiculing you and the talk of solicitors they wont admit your right--
good luck--
i think the majority of posts actually agree that it is not right to announce what hand you have its just that lucky decided to take advantage of this info then went nuclear when he lost....
And its very simple, if you've got a problem talk to customer care, all this talk of solicitors over a 2 quid tourny is pretty pathetic tbh and just makes you look stupid.
i can declare my cards any time i bet -- fair enough--
as long as we are all playing on an even playing field i know now--
SENT U A PM LUCKY CHECK YOUR INBOX BUD !
I've tried to be constructive & helpful throughout, & advised the OP of their correct course of action, & not once have I ridiculed the OP.
This post has got out of hand, please, remember the forum rules.
Many thanks
Sky Mod
you are the guvna--and have tried to be very fair to lucky77 by telling them to contact customer service--
however i feel some of 'the faces' have been unfair to lucky77--
what would be constructive to every member is answering whether i can--based on this thread--
bet 'allin' and declare my hand in the chat box--
ie:--'im allin AJ'--
many thanks--personally i think its cheating--
i dont expect you to say in as many words that you agree--
although forgive me for presuming-- i believe you do--
can i declare my hand as i bet saying ie: 'im allin AJ' ?
many thanks
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I confess, the whole thread made me very uncomfortable, I hate it when the mob mentality takes over, & it's fair to say there was a fair degree of humour & tongue-in-cheek ridicule.
But there are two sides to everything, & it's quite evident that the OP was tilted up, & when you clearly show such emotion by the tone of your Posts, you are bound to invite a little "sport".
Personally, if I'd have been a Mod, I would have closed the Thread pretty early, because it was serving no purpose, & was just gradually & inexorably getting more & more out of hand. But I'm not a Mod here, which is very probably a good thing for all of us.
Moderation is a lose-lose role, & excruciatingly difficult, so I'm not being critical of them. But I'd deffo have closed it, because it was so one-sided, & I hate to see anyone getting such treatment, no matter if they be right or wrong.
I was not ridiculing the OP, I just want to make this clear.
I was trying to reason with him and merely questioning the need for a solicitor in this circumstance.
I gave my opinion on the issues of stating your exact hand and i agree with the OP that it is improper to mention your exact hand while play is in progress.
you are ever the diplomat which is great-- however you side stepped the question with feet more nimble than fred astair-- so i wont embarrass anyone here on the subject--
my view would be this for skyrich or a boss to email lucky77--explain that he/she should have gone down the complaints channel--maybe give them a good will gesture --(as i said in previous post, make the site a 'feel good experience' to our customers' when they spend money with us so they would want to come again)
i use the word 'us' loosely it's a motto we have within our sales company--
OH and i wont personally declare my hand-- its not nice
good luck all- and TK -and thank you for your time--
I think this is the issue that Lucky is discussing. The problem is lucky, you should have just folded the hand and requested the other player not to do that again. If it does happen in the future, fold, warn the player - but don't call - thats just accepting his bad etiquette, rule breaking etc and making the call, believing you have the better hand is possibly why this discussion hasn't been given the respect it deserves.
It is breaking the rules and should be reported on the forum and to Customer Care, but the fact that you called hasn't helped your case.
Good luck in play anyway.
Si
A Hand-History was requested, but never materialised.
The fact is, we don't KNOW if the speech-play was improper or not on the evidence we have before us.
The Rules on speech-play can be quite complex, because the dynamics can vary so. Heads-Up, it's completely normal (though not something I would do) to confuse your oppo with speech-play.
I gave some very good advice though (well I thought it was good advice!) about speech play. I said that no poker player should EVER listen to what another player says in a hand. And if they follow that advice, speech play is never going to be a problem, is it?
Really, the whole thing got a bit out of hand, & lost perspective.