I AM ONE OF THE BEATA TESTERS , I FIND IT TO BE A LOT FASTER IN LOADING . EXCELLENT OPENING IN MULTI TABLES NO LAG . OVERALL A PLEASURE TO USE . AT A GUESS I SAY SKYPOKER WILL RELEASE TO ALL END OFF NOVEMBER OR START OF DECEMBER .
they would have to entirely rework the way they display hand histories for software to be compatable with it. pretty sure this wont happen. or the only other way is if some random brazilian decides to help out someone he met on a footall forum Posted by LOL_RAISE
This won't be an issue for Sky as the download doesn't support this. The download is great tho. I'm glad that Sky have made this decision. And yeah some major geeks have been able to workaround it and made a programme of their own. My stats are a lot less appalling then I'd thought they'd be I do like HEM tho and use it on other sites. Posted by scotty77
FWIW the download version has changed nothing in terms of what could or couldn't be done.
The addition of the hand history section where you can review some of your recent hands in a webpage has provided a possible avenue for accessing your hh's through HEM but put it this way it's taken a few months of coding and testing and iteration to get anywhere near accessing my own hands.
I'm pretty new to poker and not really up to spec on tracking software. I don't really have a clue as to the pros and cons, however if Sky keep their site free from the trackers it would, imo, be a unique selling point to many players. If i was to go to a site that already allows their use then fair enough go for it! I'm not really much of a cash player anyway so not sure if it would be of any benefit for me.
i disagree with stien about mostly useful for cash players. know what % of hands your opponenet is shoving in each position depending on how many bbs they have is pretty f ing awesome Posted by LOL_RAISE
I disagree with you you massive tourny fish.
Any fish knows that in tournaments the dynamics are so situational/level specific that stats come into it alot less, yes see how spewy they are pre antes but with a very small sample so no real decent info can be taken other than generic vpip/pfr thoughts with regards to spread and positional awareness. Cash it's alot more consistently useful.
Irregardless the most important aspect of tracking software is tracking your own results and analysing your own play.
the main thing about the download is the increase in speed/reliablity of the tables. not everyone has 15k mac setups. i 12 tables the other day using the download, something that i couldn't have done browser based. Posted by scotty77
FWIW mac's are pretty slow running sky or so I have found
Wasn't till upgraded pc that 12-24 was possible.
FWIW with the betting and numerical entry issues in the beta is really annoying atm!
if sky ban poker ware after they relese their own software, I will leave, i use poker ware on all the other sites and it works, it improves my game and 82% of online cash player use it, not to use it puts you at a massive disadvantage to those that do
It takes no skill away from the player, it just gives you much more accurate observations
Live players already document their hands and the megga alien players can re call them from memory
Holdem indicator would be ideal as poker ware on sky and i am sure once i get the download and ask them to have a look they will work out a patch for sky
if sky ban poker ware after they relese their own software, I will leave, i use poker ware on all the other sites and it works, it improves my game and 82% of online cash player use it, not to use it puts you at a massive disadvantage to those that do It takes no skill away from the player, it just gives you much more accurate observations Live players already document their hands and the megga alien players can re call them from memory. Holdem indicator would be ideal as poker ware on sky and i am sure once i get the download and ask them to have a look they will work out a patch for sky Posted by KKarlos93
As you said Ed, I think its the name "Tacking software" that worries people. It gives out the wrong idea of what it is.I would like tracking software to show my win/losses as well as others for easier table selection, but I wouldn't want it to show where people are leaking, lets face it we make money from players leaks, so if they have software telling them how to play it will be alot harder to win on Sky, and lets face it, we love Sky because its so soft.
As you said Ed, I think its the name "Tacking software" that worries people. It gives out the wrong idea of what it is.I would like tracking software to show my win/losses as well as others for easier table selection, but I wouldn't want it to show where people are leaking, lets face it we make money from players leaks, so if they have software telling them how to play it will be alot harder to win on Sky, and lets face it, we love Sky because its so soft. Posted by FlashFlush
i disagree with stien about mostly useful for cash players. know what % of hands your opponenet is shoving in each position depending on how many bbs they have is pretty f ing awesome Posted by LOL_RAISE
And the sample size is.......... how often do you sit with the same player in a tourney? Your just getting numbers and the table breaks. Maybe after all its more releveant on here with a smaller player pool but you would have to play tournies non stop on the big sites to get a sample size big enough to make a decent read based on the stats with the vast number of players, how often are you sat with the same players.
In Response to Re: TRACKING SOFTWARE : And the sample size is.......... how often do you sit with the same player in a tourney? Your just getting numbers and the table breaks. Maybe after all its more releveant on here with a smaller player pool but you would have to play tournies non stop on the big sites to get a sample size big enough to make a decent read based on the stats with the vast number of players, how often are you sat with the same players. Posted by stien
I strongly disagree with this comment over the last 2 months i have played 26,000 cash game and rush poker hands on full tilt all observed by my holdem idicator, there are players i sit down with that i have hundreads of hands of data on, it is invaluable when all of the players use it
As you said Ed, I think its the name "Tacking software" that worries people. It gives out the wrong idea of what it is.I would like tracking software to show my win/losses as well as others for easier table selection, but I wouldn't want it to show where people are leaking, lets face it we make money from players leaks, so if they have software telling them how to play it will be alot harder to win on Sky, and lets face it, we love Sky because its so soft. Posted by FlashFlush
it's acceleration of natural progression, with time people will start to fix leaks in their game, this accelerates that process. As you well know PT3 or HEM will not tell you how to play, it is not a bot or an insta fix for a bad player. I'm happy to accept that people don't want it here and conceed that the site will probably never allow it but to make out that a traking system which databases your own hands is somehow telling you how to play is incorrect and scare mongering.
AJS & Flash don't want it because to tables will get harder (And that is a Correct assumtion), the fact that they already have limited leaks and can dominate their opponents helps to colour their opinion. The tables will get harder for those currently winning, the game will start to make more sense to those currently dropping money down the drain. This argument just depends on which side of that coin you fall. And considering estimates that only 5% of online players actually make a profit i am very supprised that the opinion is those losing money don't want to tighten up there leaks????
I'll go with the flow as i can always use these on other sites but as i've said in prior posts i am concious of people making a decision based on things they know nothing about form statments made like "Software Telling them how to play" - This just isn't the case
yeah but aslong as their bad decisions agree with your well reasoned decisions about games getting tougher, who cares! Posted by LOL_RAISE
Think you misunderstood that,
The games get harder for those currently winning because at the moment it takes people a long time to identify and dispose of the various leaks in their game, Those winning are approx 5% of the player population I.E out of all the people voting in this thread there will be very few who are actually winning players. Now if your smashing the profit at the moment then of course you don't want the competition improving (thus the example of AJS & Flash but that was by no means a go at them, in their position who would want the fish getting smarter?) My shock is that while i get their stand point i don't get the masses of those giving their money away currently that don't want to irradicate the leaks in their game
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I AM ONE OF THE BEATA TESTERS ,
I FIND IT TO BE A LOT FASTER IN LOADING .
EXCELLENT OPENING IN MULTI TABLES NO LAG .
OVERALL A PLEASURE TO USE .
AT A GUESS I SAY SKYPOKER WILL RELEASE TO ALL END OFF NOVEMBER
OR START OF DECEMBER .
DENIS
I'm not really much of a cash player anyway so not sure if it would be of any benefit for me.
know what % of hands your opponenet is shoving in each position depending on how many bbs they have is pretty f ing awesome
not everyone has 15k mac setups. i 12 tables the other day using the download, something that i couldn't have done browser based.
FWIW with the betting and numerical entry issues in the beta is really annoying atm!
It takes no skill away from the player, it just gives you much more accurate observations
Live players already document their hands and the megga alien players can re call them from memory
Holdem indicator would be ideal as poker ware on sky and i am sure once i get the download and ask them to have a look they will work out a patch for sky
no tracking software please
And the sample size is.......... how often do you sit with the same player in a tourney? Your just getting numbers and the table breaks. Maybe after all its more releveant on here with a smaller player pool but you would have to play tournies non stop on the big sites to get a sample size big enough to make a decent read based on the stats with the vast number of players, how often are you sat with the same players.
finally someone with a brain
AJS & Flash don't want it because to tables will get harder (And that is a Correct assumtion), the fact that they already have limited leaks and can dominate their opponents helps to colour their opinion. The tables will get harder for those currently winning, the game will start to make more sense to those currently dropping money down the drain. This argument just depends on which side of that coin you fall. And considering estimates that only 5% of online players actually make a profit i am very supprised that the opinion is those losing money don't want to tighten up there leaks????
I'll go with the flow as i can always use these on other sites but as i've said in prior posts i am concious of people making a decision based on things they know nothing about form statments made like "Software Telling them how to play" - This just isn't the case
The games get harder for those currently winning because at the moment it takes people a long time to identify and dispose of the various leaks in their game, Those winning are approx 5% of the player population I.E out of all the people voting in this thread there will be very few who are actually winning players. Now if your smashing the profit at the moment then of course you don't want the competition improving (thus the example of AJS & Flash but that was by no means a go at them, in their position who would want the fish getting smarter?) My shock is that while i get their stand point i don't get the masses of those giving their money away currently that don't want to irradicate the leaks in their game