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15 MINS......Past The Hour.!!

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  • zxghostxzzxghostxz Member Posts: 482
    edited August 2009
    In Response to Re: 15 MINS......Past The Hour.!!:
    In Response to Re: 15 MINS......Past The Hour.!! : you statin to see wat i mean....2300 left if he folded   ... 300  150 blinds ..   i also see wat u mean wen u  pot commited... but given the fact the he raised 900  befor the flop  and then the player went all in . ..  ib be lookin at my stack and think iv still got enough. if i folded  ... id also be thinkin  the odds are es got  ak  qa  lol  at best  hes got a rag  or small pok pair.. and even then id be slight under dog  the bigger facter to me is theres a very big chance im a monster under dog..   got 2300  still in it  ..id have to fold.....possibly  id call if i ad less than  say 1600   1700..  left
    Posted by zxghostxz
    i dont mean to sound like im critersizzin any1  coz im not .. its far easier after the event   iv called many a time in the same situation..  but wen ive looked i wish i ident   coz most of the time yor  dominated ....and lets be honest  wen u call its nice to see the rag  or  the  poket pair   lolol   
  • annie_dukeannie_duke Member Posts: 545
    edited August 2009
    for what it's worth i agree with ghost, thought greg had raised that amt 2 play v tikay or take blinds but fold 2 a  benny re-raise.....otherwise y not go allin in 1st place?
  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited August 2009
     you treble the BB with KO.. (900) (right move)  ?  Of course

    I think this is wrong given stack sizes. OFC raising with KQ is a no brainer but if he's gonna be calling a push here with KQ then he may as well make the whole process far easier for him and push....

    Say the stack sizes were:
    Greg 5k
    Benny 5k
    Tikay 2k

    Then I think that the raise is correct, as he doesn't want to get commited with another big stack who may wake up with a big hand in the BB.  But KQ is a premium hand 4 handed when the blinds are big so he is ofc raising for value and taking down the blinds a very decent proprotion of the time.

    ACTUALLY given it a 5th thought the 3xraise does show a lot of strength, even when Greg is quite shallow stacked, in that it says to Benny 'if you go AI then I have to call'.....in which case when Benny does push it polarises his range to a big hand and not one that he is ever ahead of or racing with....

    ARGHHHHHH i hate thinking about poker cos with this hand I've come up with like 15 different answers in my head lol.
  • bennydip2bennydip2 Member Posts: 2,093
    edited August 2009
    great  comments ..    but as i have said, it was a satellite, not a main event final table !! 

    In Greg's position,(BB)  4 left .. it was time to put pressure for him.

    The   other option's he had were  'All-in'  or 'Flat Call'  ?   hmmmmm

    Nah ..  it was one of those hands, in that situation to go for the seat.

    If it was the WSOP ..well maybe you could think 'pass' but  this as i said, 'was a satellite' 

    glk benny
  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited August 2009
    In Response to Re: 15 MINS......Past The Hour.!!:
      I've come up with like 15 different answers in my head lol.
    Posted by scotty77
    Me too lol, lets just agree it was marginal and move on, thanks for comments all.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    edited August 2009

    That's what happens when you try & nick my Blinds. see? ;)
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    edited August 2009

    With 45 mins to go, we are up to 18. Good field, too.
    bennydip2   5000    
    BIGSHANN    5000    
    bitesaund    5000    
    BOSS          5000    
    dantb10      5000   
    dickylane  5000 
    HAYSIE  5000 
    JIMBOB70  5000 
    llew8181  5000 
    Nutter5932  5000 
    PaulCarre  5000 
    rvrhater  5000 
    scotty77  5000 
    spellbnd86  5000 
    stokefc  5000 
    TC_BTFC  5000 
    THETANK  5000 
    tikay1  5000




  • DELTADELTA Member Posts: 639
    edited August 2009
    y did sats finish so early there could have bin more at 15 past the hour!
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    edited August 2009
    In Response to Re: 15 MINS......Past The Hour.!!:
    y did sats finish so early there could have bin more at 15 past the hour!
    Posted by DELTA
    I'm not party to that info DELTA, but if I had to guess, I'd say that I would not play an Online Sat that was due to finish within an hour of the actual Tourney - which will take about 5 or 6 hours - it's too much.

    There have been dozens & dozens of Satellites & SNG's to tonight's Deepstack Showdown, for almost a week now, so we cannot say that Sky Poker never gave us the Satellites we requested - they did. 
  • JingleMaJingleMa Member Posts: 1,319
    edited August 2009

    Hey Greg, I think Annie has got it spot on.

    You are only making the raise you did make to take down the blinds or fold to a re-raise.

    And the reason for that is, otherwise you would have gone all-in in the 1st place.

    By calling the re-raise all in, you are then most likely dominated or flipping a coin at best.

    Surely after the strength you have shown with your initial raise, the chance of someone then coming over the top with kj or qj is much less than 10%, especially against the quality of players you were playing.

    I think you knew this deep down, which is why you did not go all in first and left yourself back 2000+ chips which were plenty to find another better spot, but then when you were pushed back at, you just couldn't find the fold button.

    Of course, it is very easy to analyse this in the cold light of day and out of the heat of battle, but just giving my honest opinion, that's all.

    Best of luck in your future play and COME ON U SPURS!!!!!


  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited August 2009
    In Response to Re: 15 MINS......Past The Hour.!!:
    Hey Greg, I think Annie has got it spot on. You are only making the raise you did make to take down the blinds or fold to a re-raise. And the reason for that is, otherwise you would have gone all-in in the 1st place. By calling the re-raise all in, you are then most likely dominated or flipping a coin at best. Surely after the strength you have shown with your initial raise, the chance of someone then coming over the top with kj or qj is much less than 10%, especially against the quality of players you were playing. I think you knew this deep down, which is why you did not go all in first and left yourself back 2000+ chips which were plenty to find another better spot, but then when you were pushed back at, you just couldn't find the fold button. Of course, it is very easy to analyse this in the cold light of day and out of the heat of battle, but just giving my honest opinion, that's all. Best of luck in your future play and COME ON U SPURS!!!!!
    Posted by JingleMa
    Thanks for your comments m8, i appreciate it and i agree with you. Another lesson learnt. It wasnt the worst call in the world but it was a "gamblers" call. I dont want to gamble i want to play poker.

    Thanks again and gl to you too and to the mighty Spurs!

    Greg
  • zxghostxzzxghostxz Member Posts: 482
    edited August 2009
    In Response to Re: 15 MINS......Past The Hour.!!:
    Hey Greg, I think Annie has got it spot on. You are only making the raise you did make to take down the blinds or fold to a re-raise. And the reason for that is, otherwise you would have gone all-in in the 1st place. By calling the re-raise all in, you are then most likely dominated or flipping a coin at best. Surely after the strength you have shown with your initial raise, the chance of someone then coming over the top with kj or qj is much less than 10%, especially against the quality of players you were playing. I think you knew this deep down, which is why you did not go all in first and left yourself back 2000+ chips which were plenty to find another better spot, but then when you were pushed back at, you just couldn't find the fold button. Of course, it is very easy to analyse this in the cold light of day and out of the heat of battle, but just giving my honest opinion, that's all. Best of luck in your future play and COME ON U SPURS!!!!!
    Posted by JingleMa
    SPOT. ON.  jinglema...xplained  in a totaly  gentish  way..  maby the 10%  is a bit over  ...its probily about   1%..
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