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stien

 

Only a thought but is is me or is the Saturday night cash game becoming dull. Same faces at the high levels, sure its great to see the moves and how the top players play hands but is this really of interest to the small stakes players, how much are they getting out of it?

 

I used to be frustrated by the small stakes shown on the show but my guess is the small stakes players are now frustrated by the high stakes players.

 

So here goes....... Why not have a cash 60 game where the blinds are 15/30 and the min/max buy in is £60, do the same for 25/50, a cash 100 or cash 150. But here's the point, exclude or specify that these games are for 15/30 and 25/50 players and that those playing higher are excluded.

 

Replacing the big game (which ljamesl quite rightly describes as a game with no edge for the best players) with these games and inviting the SPT players on the show to comment on hands would I am sure be invaluable to small stakes players.

 

Or open 3 tables, cash 300, cash 150 and cash 60 and show all 3 throughout the night.

 

Any thoughts?

lJAMESl

Sounds like a good idea and I agree the same faces does get boring. Variety is the spice of life!

GliterBabe

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  Only a thought but is is me or is the Saturday night cash game becoming dull. Same faces at the high levels, sure its great to see the moves and how the top players play hands but is this really of interest to the small stakes players, how much are they getting out of it?   I used to be frustrated by the small stakes shown on the show but my guess is the small stakes players are now frustrated by the high stakes players.   So here goes....... Why not have a cash 60 game where the blinds are 15/30 and the min/max buy in is £60, do the same for 25/50, a cash 100 or cash 150. But here's the point, exclude or specify that these games are for 15/30 and 25/50 players and that those playing higher are excluded.   Replacing the big game (which ljamesl quite rightly describes as a game with no edge for the best players) with these games and inviting the SPT players on the show to comment on hands would I am sure be invaluable to small stakes players.   Or open 3 tables, cash 300, cash 150 and cash 60 and show all 3 throughout the night.   Any thoughts?
Posted by stien

+1

DeucesLive

I'd like to see a lower buyin game, for sure- I know my bankroll definitely can't support £300 pullups, and I doubt many at the site can. A lower table would create a lot more activity for sure, I think it's a great idea.

5toneFace

I agree, But you dont need to exclude the higher players from playing on these tables. As if they are going to play them. "Next week we got lolufold on 15p-30p"

KAM99

Can't agree with this more. Getting really bored of seeing the same faces at the cash tables being shown. It's great for players to see the high stake players playing, but change is a breath of fresh air as well. And I definately agree that those high stake players should be if not excluded, encouraged to stick to thier normal stacks rather than dropping way lower than their normal levels just for the sake of getting themselves on TV again.

percival09

Don't exclude the players from playing on the tables, its completely up to them, i doubt they'd want too anyway. But it might be an advantage for the lower stakes players anyway, with LOL and the other guys having huge BR's, they might just shove with 27 offsuit each hand lol! 

KAM99

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Don't exclude the players from playing on the tables, its completely up to them, i doubt they'd want too anyway. But it might be an advantage for the lower stakes players anyway, with LOL and the other guys having huge BR's, they might just shove with 27 offsuit each hand lol! 
Posted by percival09

Actually several of them do tend to come down in stakes to play on the table that is being currently shown on TV. Not all of them of course, but certainly a few do. And your reason for them being there is a little flawed as quite often when I've seen this the players with big bankrolls that don't overly care about being stacked they can sometimes make the game worse.

Personally I don't care about being on TV, but it would be nice to see some different faces, and let the guys at those stakes have their time in the spotlight.

darich

Master Cash has gone from being my favourite programme on 865 to a programme I rarely watch in the space of 2 months.

I am not interested in watching the same players week in week out at high stake nose-bleed levels. The uniqueness of the show originally was that any buy-in, however micro could be shown, and anyone could get their game on TV. I started playing on Sky because of the "TV tarting" potential and I would imagine 80% of its members did the same. I don't mind admitting this, because I'm sure I'm not alone.

We are just witnessing another facet of the slow morphing of Sky Poker into any other run of the mill poker site.

I don't blame them. It probably wouldn't have been sustainable remaining as it was, but it's a shame imo. 

Kiwini4u

I think the trouble is that whatever levels they show on the cash tables you are going to get the same players multitabling and unless Sky bans players from sitting at more than one cash table at a time, which lets be honest isn't going to happen, this will always be the case.

iBLUFF

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Posted by GliterBabe

+2

DTWBANDIT

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Posted by GliterBabe

 +3

5toneFace

People are so wrong if they think the high stakes players are going to drop down stakes just to be on tv. If there was a 50nl tv table, u might get a couple of 100nl regs on there at best. And thats probably cause they still play 50nl at times anyway. You'll never going to see 200nl+ regs any lower than 100nl. Even to be on TV. Therefore no need to ban anyone from playing anything. Also people have the right to play whatever tables they want.

Tikay10

All noted guys, & I'll send the thread upstairs.

We want to keep trying to improve, change, evolve, & keep things fresh. Not every dart hits the Double-20 though.

Good thread.

YOUNG_GUN

great idea +1000000000000000

pr1nnyraid

i dont think the play is boring, i think the analysis is plainly innacurate and tedious.. and the viewer questions that are forwarded to the presenters is repetetive!

i am in no way having a dig at the presenters, i think they do a good job, but the play is levels above them.. moves are misinterpreted because they do not play these games and cant comprehend each players intentions, the result is that the presenter just reverts to a default phrase about BR management at the end of every hand

i think the idea of having a member of TSP on to analyse along with the excellent demeanor and media skills that all the skypoker presenters currently offer is the way forward to interesting watching.

jacko999

+everyone lol great idea :-]

stien

Thanks for the replies.

My thoughts are that by double stacking the 15/30p and the 25/50p tables to create a cash 60 and cash 100 games these will stand out as different, with the players playing deeper the spots/decisions will also be more interesting. Having a member of the SPT in the studio would allow these to be disscussed by players used to these decisions.

I would hope a £60 min/max buy in is within the bankroll limit of a good number of 15/30 players, the same goes for 25/50 at a min/max buy in of £100. I hope Sky give it a try and create a game where lower stake players can feature on Saturday nights and those watching can get invaluable advise from SPT members who have moved through these levels.

Regards excluding higher stakes players, i'm sure a simple request is enough, yes I agree lolufold won't be sitting at the tables, I hope he's in the studio helping us all improve our game.

donkeyplop

Ive noticed they dont have the studio guests anymore?

What happened to the sports star on Thursdays and the grind on the Saturday.

Like Stien has said it would be good to have the team sky players in the studio on some nights.

jakally

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i think the idea of having a member of TSP on to analyse along with the excellent demeanor and media skills that all the skypoker presenters currently offer is the way forward to interesting watching.
Posted by hotpotato

I like this idea.

There was a show a few months ago (maybe longer), where James, SimUK and Rolfus were in the studio.

It was one of the most entertaining / informative shows that I have seen on SP.

DaveOwlX

Extra thumbs up for TSP to add their input as well.