What is 'weak' about a flat call. don't listen to words like weak or aggressive and think they are the be all and end all. there is a time and a play for playing a hand passively aswell as for playing it fast and aggressively. sorry about messing up the numbers (as usual ..... ) I should really proof read what I post just once llol especially when the numbers look that wrong when you read them back through. Posted by beaneh
What is 'weak' about a flat call.don't listen to words like weak or aggressive and think they are the be all and end all. there is a time and a play for playing a hand passively aswell as for playing it fast and aggressively. sorry about messing up the numbers (as usual ..... ) I should really proof read what I post just once llol especially when the numbers look that wrong when you read them back through. Posted by beaneh
If i flat call, ok, i control the pot and i can reassess on the turn. But if i raise i tell my opponents that i have something and that they really have to have a hand to even think about getting involved in a pot with me esp when im in position. If i raise i am getting more value if i avoid danger cards on the turn if they flat.
Ryan KNOWS that i am likely have a very good hand when he reshoves on me, but Mr X may not. If mr X folds i do call Ryan because he also knows i am capable of the occasional move. But when mr X does call, i know im prob drawing to a fh at best. and trying to work the price out within 15 secs is impossible for me. so i fold.
In Response to Re: Very early hand in mtt, flop middle set on flushing board lots of action! : like needing over 50% equity in a hu pot?!?! tbf though the hh's on here are pretty annoying Posted by yb
trying to do 4 or 5 different sums with ( ) round different parts makes these hh's so complicated with all their stupid columns!!!
just need stack sizes at the start, and bet sizes on each street. simples.
Yes I know you can make a move but IMO you would only make the move in a HU pot vs me. Also this early on you ain't gonna be doing this without some kind of hand, I'm never putting you on air here. I am not gonna be shoving without what I think is equity here. Something like a non diamond st8/2pr is a snap fold.
When I shoved I expected Mr X to have AdX or 6dX or something like that. Maybe a pair/gutshot draw.
As an asider, what would you call with here Greg? 555? Say you have the J high flush?
Hi Greg / beaneh Very interesting hand, also for it to be suggested that I have a wider range than scotty77 , i didn't think that was possible? Posted by Iroller
Welcome Iroller i.e Mr X!
I have never played you before so i had no idea that you are obv a v good player!
i might post my exit hand vs you on this thread too later on!
Hi Greg / beaneh Very interesting hand, also for it to be suggested that I have a wider range than scotty77 , i didn't think that was possible? Posted by Iroller
there are very few hands where i would limp UTG there. also beaneh and Greg know me well, so they ahve history.
my flop lead overbet of the pot impies a very very narrow range of hands that I can do that with...
fwiw I think this could be a fold seeing as scotty's range doesnt include KK+/43s ever imo (and 54s is very doubtful). Also I think an unknown's stacking off range 100bbs deep will be narrower than the one beaneh gave (but in terms of equity calculations I don't think this makes too much difference given how narrow scotty's range is).
In game I'm not folding 44 though, I think I could find a fold with 33.
When you raised I put you on a flush. Yes I know you can make a move but IMO you would only make the move in a HU pot vs me. Also this early on you ain't gonna be doing this without some kind of hand, I'm never putting you on air here. I am not gonna be shoving without what I think is equity here. Something like a non diamond st8/2pr is a snap fold. When I shoved I expected Mr X to have AdX or 6dX or something like that. Maybe a pair/gutshot draw. As an asider, what would you call with here Greg? 555? Say you have the Jhigh flush? Posted by scotty77
In my current state of mind i need the nut or 2nd, or poss 3rd nut flush.
55, i just dont know... guess i find the fold, same as 44!!!
No problem with that Greg I'm still learning & have lots to learn obviously the advantage i have is knowing more about you & Ryan through Sky Poker TV than you know of me (we have played before but i don't think we clashed). I wasn't particularly looking to get involved early on but hit some nice cards & flops. I knew Ryan had to have a hand but the only decision I had was to call or go all in.Response to Re: Very early hand in mtt, flop middle set on flushing board lots of action!:
fwiw I think this could be a fold seeing as scotty's range doesnt include KK+/43s ever imo (and 54s is very doubtful). Also I think an unknown's stacking off range 100bbs deep will be narrower than the one beaneh gave (but in terms of equity calculations I don't think this makes too much difference given how narrow scotty's range is). In game I'm not folding 44 though, I think I could find a fold with 33. Posted by yb
In Response to Re: Very early hand in mtt, flop middle set on flushing board lots of action! : In my current state of mind i need the nut or 2nd, or poss 3rd nut flush. 55, i just dont know... guess i find the fold, same as 44!!! Posted by GREGHOGG
2nd/3rd nut flush you can be as dead as Michael Jackson.
with 55 you know you have outs unless you run into straight flushywush
In Response to Re: Very early hand in mtt, flop middle set on flushing board lots of action! : 2nd/3rd nut flush you can be as dead as Michael Jackson. with 55 you know you have outs unless you run into straight flushywush Posted by scotty77
Personally i would fold and look away, if just scotty i would snap call but cos of unknown likely they got flush here and i dont want to have to hit to stay in the tournement got plenty of chips behind
I understand what beaneh has put and well explained but im not really a maths person, scotty could have low flush or lower set here possible higher, but with 2 people in it i would not be confident a) im ahead b) i will hit
Nah course I don't fold, I've got a set. Al the maths and stuff goes out the window for me, although it was an unbelievably good fold that u managed to make!!!
Going on to stack off with a bare K high flush draw is abit weak though after folding in that spot!!!!
Did u see my exit hand on the final table bubble of the 8pm last night?
I felt absolutely crushed!!!!!!! I still do.
Oh and the results orientated dig - Yet again, the result is all that matters. So well played.
Nah course I don't fold, I've got a set. Al the maths and stuff goes out the window for me, although it was an unbelievably good fold that u managed to make!!! Going on to stack off with a bare K high flush draw is abit weak though after folding in that spot!!!!Did u see my exit hand on the final table bubble of the 8pm last night? I felt absolutely crushed!!!!!!! I still do. Oh and the results orientated dig - Yet again, the result is all that matters. So well played. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Yes, i know! It was awful play. If i am prepared to gamble with K high flush then why not with trying to hit a fh in a 3 way mega pot. My game doesnt make sense sometimes and i knew it was bad play but i still did it!, im gonna take some time off playing soon like Beaneh suggested so i can come back fresh and in the right frame of mind for playing.
No i didnt see your exit hand i will take a look if its in the clinic.
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tbf though the hh's on here are pretty annoying
Ryan KNOWS that i am likely have a very good hand when he reshoves on me, but Mr X may not. If mr X folds i do call Ryan because he also knows i am capable of the occasional move. But when mr X does call, i know im prob drawing to a fh at best. and trying to work the price out within 15 secs is impossible for me. so i fold.
Very interesting hand, also for it to be suggested that I have a wider range than scotty77 , i didn't think that was possible?
Yes I know you can make a move but IMO you would only make the move in a HU pot vs me. Also this early on you ain't gonna be doing this without some kind of hand, I'm never putting you on air here. I am not gonna be shoving without what I think is equity here. Something like a non diamond st8/2pr is a snap fold.
When I shoved I expected Mr X to have AdX or 6dX or something like that. Maybe a pair/gutshot draw.
As an asider, what would you call with here Greg? 555? Say you have the J high flush?
I have never played you before so i had no idea that you are obv a v good player!
i might post my exit hand vs you on this thread too later on!
my flop lead overbet of the pot impies a very very narrow range of hands that I can do that with...
In game I'm not folding 44 though, I think I could find a fold with 33.
55, i just dont know... guess i find the fold, same as 44!!!
ActionCardsAmountPotBalanceRubes375 Small blind 10.00 10.00 2470.00 latics-fan Big blind 20.00 30.00 2480.00 Your hole cards 4 4 scotty77 Call 20.00 50.00 1925.00 Iroller Call 20.00 70.00 2480.00 Doudeau Fold GREGHOGG Call 20.00 90.00 2470.00 Rubes375 Fold latics-fan Check Flop 3 4 5 latics-fan Check scotty77 Bet 125.00 215.00 1800.00 Iroller Call 125.00 340.00 2355.00 GREGHOGG Raise 460.00 800.00 2010.00 latics-fan Fold scotty77 All-in 1800.00 2600.00 0.00 Iroller Call 1800.00 4400.00 555.00 GREGHOGG Fold scotty77 Show 3 3 Iroller Show A 10 Turn Q River 9 Iroller Win Flush to the Ace 4400.00 4955.00
with 55 you know you have outs unless you run into straight flushywush
the sick thing is, that i actually put him on AA, but i thought, no he cant have that the poker gods wont sc rew me again.. will they?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceIroller Small blind 15.00 15.00 5215.00 Doudeau Big blind 30.00 45.00 5880.00 Your hole cards K A GREGHOGG Raise 90.00 135.00 1815.00 Rubes375 Fold penguin7 Fold CALRHI Fold Iroller Raise 195.00 330.00 5020.00 Doudeau Fold GREGHOGG Call 120.00 450.00 1695.00 Flop 10 7 8 Iroller Check GREGHOGG Bet 337.50 787.50 1357.50 Iroller All-in 5020.00 5807.50 0.00 GREGHOGG All-in 1357.50 7165.00 0.00 Iroller Unmatched bet 3325.00 3840.00 3325.00 Iroller Show A A GREGHOGG Show K A Turn 10 River J Iroller Win Two Pairs, Aces and 10s 3840.00 7165.00
I understand what beaneh has put and well explained but im not really a maths person, scotty could have low flush or lower set here possible higher, but with 2 people in it i would not be confident a) im ahead b) i will hit
No i didnt see your exit hand i will take a look if its in the clinic.