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definition of slow-rolling?
Buistyboy
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i was watching one of the deepies the other night and in the chat box there was talk about slow-rolling. I got the impression this was being frowned upon and wondered exactly what it was. Is it a legitimate strategy of using your time to try and give other players a certain perception of your holding or is this simply poor etiquette because you have a straight forward all in call yet let the clock run down for no reason?
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If there is possibility to win more from your opponent(s) then its fine to use your time however you feel best.
Had someone slow roll me last night, called massive bets on turn for a gutshot and hit. Shows the real character of the person.
just to clarify, in your example someone slowrolled you with a gut shot. Does that mean they were getting the right odds to call all in but took forever to make the call for no reason?
Thankfully tho they're a busto fish who never buys in for full so not that much of a problem.
Had it happen to me a couple of weeks back in a DYM. 4 of us left & I was the short stack so shoved with pocket 8's. Folded round to the big blind who let their timer run all the way down before calling & showing AA. Why do it? If i'm behind/lost the hand then so be it but it's something that really annoys me
Doesn't happen online, because you insta-show your cards.
Its worse in live when some clever guy says "I've got two pair" when you've hit your full house at showdown, only to show quads.
Wouldn't do it live because i'd get a slap but it's easy behind a computer screen. Just being honest and don't pretend you haven't done anything similar !
It is basically knowing you have the nuts, then using up your time instead of just calling/shoving.
However that is not the same as using your time to induce a bet, making your opponent think your weak or undecided in order to call your huge hand.
As an example in last nights deepie I has AA. The guy before me raied 4x the BB . I was in BB he was SB. Now of course I want him to go all in. So instead of just shoving I wait a little....as if thinking about it...so now i flat call. He goes all in...I then INSTA CALL.
If however I had let the timer run down a long way ...then I really AM slow rolling.
However, there are also occasions when players have the nuts yet run the clock down before calling at showdown, and while this isnt technically slow rolling, it is certainly poor etiquette and i suppose it is generally classed as slow-rolling.
Generally, when someone has a strong hand at showdown, they are eager to turn it over and collect the pot. This means that when a player shows a strong hand, and does not see anyone immediately produce anything better, he will justifiably assume that he has won the pot. This can open the door to mischief. In an attempt to get under their opponents skin, a player may wait to show the winning hand until after their opponent has shown and expects to win the pot. This is called a slow roll, and it is considered an extremely rude thing to do. It bothers some players a lot. Which is precisely the goal of the player who slowrolls. Slowrolling is often a response to, or a trigger for, all out psychological war between players.
Despite the discourteous nature of slowrolling, it is not generally prohibited by house rules. If it is prohibited, there is rarely a penalty associated with it. One reason for this is that a slowroll, by its very nature, is subjective. Did a player wait an additional two seconds before showing his hand to dig at another player, or not? Was a player slow rolling, or simply waiting to ensure that it was his turn to turn his hand over? Did the pot get pushed before all hands were exposed, and is that the dealers fault? If a slowroll clearly occurred, should a penalty be imposed, and what would be considered fair? These questions can be nearly impossible to answer objectively. So, a slow roll is just treated as rude behavior and may at most elicit a condemnation from the dealer or floor staff.
Slowroll is not the same as slow play
Copied from an online poker term dictionary...
I don't know how that makes me an idiot or suggests I have lost my stack (in what game!?)
I saw THE ugliest Slow-Roll in a Deepie a few nights ago.
Man with about 5,000 chips moves all-in. (He had AK).
The Big Blind types in the Chat-Box......
"Hmmmmmm........"
Then he let the clock/slider bar run down to the very last second.
THEN he called.
With Aces.
Karma will ensure that next time he does that, he'll not clink "just in time" & his hand will be Passed.
I really struggle to grasp why people would do such a thing.
That sort of thing is as ugly as it gets.
Sick, sick stuff.
I'm pretty sure the hand you are referring to was the one i seen discussed in the deepie the other night. I wasnt playing but had a bit of a look to try and learn a bit.
I didnt see the hand but it was the chat afterwards that compelled me to query what exactly a slow-roll was. I wanted to make sure it was something i wasnt doing at the table.
i have to say that i have great sympathy for you nutter for the way you were treated in that situation. To write hmmm in the chat box and let the time run down shows a real lack of class. Tikay sums it up perfectly, simply ugly.
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If this happened live there'd be a lynching