In Response to Re: Tough spot for queens? : im going to be a super nit picker and point out that folding as an expected value of 0. always. ps beaneh lrn 2 type faster Posted by LOL_RAISE
nit picking is not the word i would use lol, lol-raise i think you should write an article on what ev actually means as its commonly misinterpreted in lots of posts
In Response to Re: Tough spot for queens? : It's only 'fine' because he had a very strong hand, and to be honest the fact he made QQ fold preflop is pretty horrendous. If your 4bet sizing is always this huge with KK+, then you are never going to be able to mix in 4betting bluffs, or you will be forced to call it off everytime. Posted by CoxyLboro
do players really 4 bet bluff in this particular spot at nl50? there is a time and place for balancing play but i really dont think this is a good spot for it, would you call a 4 bet to £15 holding qq there? or would you be more inclined to get your money in if he shoved?
if a decision is +ev, it means you're going to be making more money than you lose, long term, in that spot- even if that particular time you're behind. Correct? Expected value is simply the amount you win (or lose) from making a play, based on odds.
I can accept that, technically, folding will always have an EV of 0, since you can never ever make money by folding- but you can save yourself money by folding in -EV situations (where by calling/shoving you lose more than you win, long term) thereby, for that session, making folding a +EV move. Your expected value from your session will be raised by getting out of the way in these hands. That's how I view it, anyway.
if a decision is +ev, it means you're going to be making more money than you lose, long term, in that spot- even if that particular time you're behind. Correct? Expected value is simply the amount you win (or lose) from making a play, based on odds. I can accept that, technically, folding will always have an EV of 0, since you can never ever make money by folding- but you can save yourself money by folding in -EV situations (where by calling/shoving you lose more than you win, long term) thereby, for that session, making folding a +EV move. Your expected value from your session will be raised by getting out of the way in these hands. That's how I view it, anyway. Posted by DeucesLive
i have never really thought about ev over a session always on one particular hand/play, maybe this is someones theory im not familiar with, do you know how to calculate Ev? i can write something later about this when i get back if it helps
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I can accept that, technically, folding will always have an EV of 0, since you can never ever make money by folding- but you can save yourself money by folding in -EV situations (where by calling/shoving you lose more than you win, long term) thereby, for that session, making folding a +EV move. Your expected value from your session will be raised by getting out of the way in these hands. That's how I view it, anyway.