In Response to Re: abuse for calling this : Hi Mod...I have however reported a certain person a min of 4 times now and they still carry on the same and have their chat so what's the point? Posted by BananaDog
Hi BananaDog
Sorry to hear you have had trouble on the tables, I have forwarded this post on for you.
In Response to Re: abuse for calling this : I dissagree with you here tikay. Yes your right that shoving is better than calling, but its only good to shove with small pairs when there are no large raises in play. To shove with a small pair when a player before you has raised 6 times the big blind is silly. Posted by loonytoons
It may well be silly, but that misses the point.
We cannot control what "silly" things others might do. We can only control what we do.
No matter how silly it may have been to make that move with 3-3, CALLING with A-Q (at that juncture) was far worse. FAR worse. IMHO, that is.
But the point of the thread was about abuse. There is no justification for the abuse.
In Response to Re: abuse for calling this : ty for your opinion you say its a bad call but does it not matter what you put the other player on/ the table image i myself cant see a prob with it...... i see people pushing with aj kq kj k10 a10 all the time in these...this is why i cant see the prob with it..... i know the point in dym is to get top 3 so not to go crazy but also to me you cant sit there waiting for aa kk all the time......surly it does count on the table your on and the players you have or am i wrong again....... thanks for any help Posted by ckd
No, it does not matter one iota "what you put your oppo on", because, even if your name is Tom Dwan, "putting your oppo on a hand" is pure guesswork. Oppo might be a complete novice, or even a fool, but there's no reason he can't have a monsta, either.
It is Basic, O Level Poker. We can shove with junk, we need a hand to call. If you have forgotten that basic premis of poker, it will cost you a bunch of money over time.
There is no need whatsoever to even consider making THAT call at THAT stage with THAT hand. You are beating very little, & in most cases, flipping.
Why flip at that stage? - just take the easy pots the easy way. Better to sit out early doors & let the LAGS & Stations do the work for us.
It is a truly horrendous Call, & I know for a fact that you are a far better player than that. If he wants to jam with junk, let him. We only need to be ahead on the winning line. And he'll long be toast by then.
I sense ego is involved here, you did not like him firing back at you. Well what matters is finishing top three, nothing else. If he wants to play daft, let him, don't lewt him drag you down to his standard.
In Response to Re: abuse for calling this : No, it does not matter one iota "what you put your oppo on", because, even if your name is Tom Dwan, "putting your oppo on a hand" is pure guesswork. Oppo might be a complete novice, or even a fool, but there's no reason he can't have a monsta, either. It is Basic, O Level Poker. We can shove with junk, we need a hand to call. If you have forgotten that basic premis of poker, it will cost you a bunch of money over time. There is no need whatsoever to even consider making THAT call at THAT stage with THAT hand. You are beating very little, & in most cases, flipping. Why flip at that stage? - just take the easy pots the easy way. Better to sit out early doors & let the LAGS & Stations do the work for us. It is a truly horrendous Call, & I know for a fact that you are a far better player than that. If he wants to jam with junk, let him. We only need to be ahead on the winning line. And he'll long be toast by then. I sense ego is involved here, you did not like him firing back at you. Well what matters is finishing top three, nothing else. If he wants to play daft, let him, don't lewt him drag you down to his standard. Posted by Tikay10
thanks for the reply
i see what your saying.... my game has alot to go i know and to be truefull i just play what i get dont think about anything like what level and dont know anything about possistion and that sort of stuff i just tend to play i can see where i go wrong and thats one of the things ill have to think about whilst away to try and improve thanks for your imput in it and every1 else as well just got to take it on board now and try to keep it going thanks
Remember something called "The Gap". The Gap is very simple.
If someone bets into you, or jams, we cannot be sure what they have. So we assess their range, & then "add a gap" to allow for error.
If we think he might bet with 6-6, we CANNOT call with 7-7 - we need, say, 10-10 or better to Call or re-raise.
In this case, even if you were a genius, & accurately assessed him as having 3-3 - there is not an adequate "gap - in fact there is a NEGATIVE gap, because you are behind. (Nobody would ever consider calling to flip at 15-30).
Now REVERSE the logic. We can push with very weak holdings, because they can't call.
It's the # 1 rule of poker.
In the spot you were in, be the bettor not the caller.
Good man CKD. Remember something called "The Gap". The Gap is very simple. If someone bets into you, or jams, we cannot be sure what they have. So we assess their range, & then "add a gap" to allow for error. If we think he might bet with 6-6, we CANNOT call with 7-7 - we need, say, 10-10 or better to Call or re-raise. In this case, even if you were a genius, & accurately assessed him as having 3-3 - there is not an adequate "gap - in fact there is a NEGATIVE gap, because you are behind. (Nobody would ever consider calling to flip at 15-30). Now REVERSE the logic. We can push with very weak holdings, because they can't call . It's the # 1 rule of poker. In the spot you were in, be the bettor not the caller. Posted by Tikay10
Words of wisdom with just one caveat ......... comparative chip-stacks ......... Oh! and alcohol
Good man CKD. Remember something called "The Gap". The Gap is very simple. If someone bets into you, or jams, we cannot be sure what they have. So we assess their range, & then "add a gap" to allow for error. If we think he might bet with 6-6, we CANNOT call with 7-7 - we need, say, 10-10 or better to Call or re-raise. In this case, even if you were a genius, & accurately assessed him as having 3-3 - there is not an adequate "gap - in fact there is a NEGATIVE gap, because you are behind. (Nobody would ever consider calling to flip at 15-30). Now REVERSE the logic. We can push with very weak holdings, because they can't call . It's the # 1 rule of poker. In the spot you were in, be the bettor not the caller. Posted by Tikay10
In Response to Re: abuse for calling this : Hi Mod...I have however reported a certain person a min of 4 times now and they still carry on the same and have their chat so what's the point? Posted by BananaDog
Hi BananaDog
I have got a reply back, they suggested you to keep reporting these incidents to Customer Care.
ta Moddy! *throws a snowball at customer care team* Posted by BananaDog
*DB sees snowball flying and think hmmm tasty chaces after it - BD is no long allowed near sky offices - the customer card team all had a nasty fall onto ice*
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Sorry to hear you have had trouble on the tables, I have forwarded this post on for you.
Many thanks
Sky Mod
We cannot control what "silly" things others might do. We can only control what we do.
No matter how silly it may have been to make that move with 3-3, CALLING with A-Q (at that juncture) was far worse. FAR worse. IMHO, that is.
But the point of the thread was about abuse. There is no justification for the abuse.
No, it does not matter one iota "what you put your oppo on", because, even if your name is Tom Dwan, "putting your oppo on a hand" is pure guesswork. Oppo might be a complete novice, or even a fool, but there's no reason he can't have a monsta, either.
It is Basic, O Level Poker. We can shove with junk, we need a hand to call. If you have forgotten that basic premis of poker, it will cost you a bunch of money over time.
There is no need whatsoever to even consider making THAT call at THAT stage with THAT hand. You are beating very little, & in most cases, flipping.
Why flip at that stage? - just take the easy pots the easy way. Better to sit out early doors & let the LAGS & Stations do the work for us.
It is a truly horrendous Call, & I know for a fact that you are a far better player than that. If he wants to jam with junk, let him. We only need to be ahead on the winning line. And he'll long be toast by then.
I sense ego is involved here, you did not like him firing back at you. Well what matters is finishing top three, nothing else. If he wants to play daft, let him, don't lewt him drag you down to his standard.
i see what your saying.... my game has alot to go i know and to be truefull i just play what i get dont think about anything like what level and dont know anything about possistion and that sort of stuff i just tend to play
i can see where i go wrong and thats one of the things ill have to think about whilst away to try and improve
thanks for your imput in it and every1 else as well just got to take it on board now and try to keep it going
thanks
Good man CKD.
Remember something called "The Gap". The Gap is very simple.
If someone bets into you, or jams, we cannot be sure what they have. So we assess their range, & then "add a gap" to allow for error.
If we think he might bet with 6-6, we CANNOT call with 7-7 - we need, say, 10-10 or better to Call or re-raise.
In this case, even if you were a genius, & accurately assessed him as having 3-3 - there is not an adequate "gap - in fact there is a NEGATIVE gap, because you are behind. (Nobody would ever consider calling to flip at 15-30).
Now REVERSE the logic. We can push with very weak holdings, because they can't call.
It's the # 1 rule of poker.
In the spot you were in, be the bettor not the caller.
ill put this to use
I have got a reply back, they suggested you to keep reporting these incidents to Customer Care.
I hope you do not get any further problems.
Thank you
Sky Mod