I can see what your saying. Theres something not right about it. But I think your making out its a big deal. When I dont think it is. Its like a footballer taking a throw in 2 yards closer than what it should be. I think its fine for them to ask the question. And its fine for the person to say no. I dont see how the person gains any advantage on the "fish" by doing this, to make it "collusion". If you can tell me how they gain an advantage, I would happily say this is not right. But you havent so far, so I see no problem with it. And fwiw, I wouldnt leave for anyone unless it was a close friend. If I see a "fish" with a big stack, I will be sitting with them. Posted by 5toneFace
I do agree with most of what you said, to answer your question.. the advantage would be simply some players are inexperienced at hu, I myself never play hu, I have however found myself hu at a ring table after everyone has left.... I know and understand I am at liberty to leave or sit out, but normaly I would play for a bit hoping others might sit, you are correct, this in its self is not a massive point, but could be the thin edge of the wedge,
its very fair if a player says hey bud ya wanna play me hu?
seems a little dodgy if the player say hey can you guys leave this ring game, I wanna play this guy hu.
I know that if this is ok then I could abuse it, if I could think of a way then its only a matter of time before others do also.
i know in a perfect world everyone would just play for fun but in reality a lot of people play to make money, it isnt all fun and games. Weaker players are targetted in the hope of taking their money. To ask to play someone HU is perfectly fine. Ofc its also fine to deny the request though and thats really all there is too it. Sure it might leave a bad taste in your mouth but really were all adults here and if the guy didnt want to play HU he would stand and find a full table. Its not like hes defenceless.
Honestly if someone asked me to stand i would ask if the other person wanted hu aswell, if he said no or there was no reply i would carry on playing.
In Response to Re: is this ok? : I do agree with most of what you said, to answer your question.. the advantage would be simply some players are inexperienced at hu, I myself never play hu, I have however found myself hu at a ring table after everyone has left.... I know and understand I am at liberty to leave or sit out, but normaly I would play for a bit hoping others might sit, you are correct, this in its self is not a massive point, but could be the thin edge of the wedge, its very fair if a player says hey bud ya wanna play me hu? seems a little dodgy if the player say hey can you guys leave this ring game, I wanna play this guy hu. I know that if this is ok then I could abuse it, if I could think of a way then its only a matter of time before others do also. thanks again peter Posted by NODEAL
You seem to be assuming everything. The player might be happy to play HU. If hes not, then he leaves. Therefore this still isnt an advantage.
Also your making out as if there are several players playing, and then one person asks the others to leave so they can play the other player HU. This is not what happens. Normally 2 people will be playing. Then when another sits, they will ask him if its ok to carry on their game HU, (normally before the 3rd person plays a hand).
I dont see anyway you can abuse it. Because the 3rd player has the right to say no. And my guess is the majority of players would say no, like me. And the "fish" has the right to leave the table at any time. But if you could think of a way, please share it with me.
In Response to Re: is this ok? : You seem to be assuming everything. The player might be happy to play HU. If hes not, then he leaves. Therefore this still isnt an advantage. Also your making out as if there are several players playing, and then one person asks the others to leave so they can play the other player HU. This is not what happens. Normally 2 people will be playing. Then when another sits, they will ask him if its ok to carry on their game HU, (normally before the 3rd person plays a hand). I dont see anyway you can abuse it. Because the 3rd player has the right to say no. And my guess is the majority of players would say no, like me. And the "fish" has the right to leave the table at any time. But if you could think of a way, please share it with me. Posted by 5toneFace
MY god, I thought I was being very balanced with my last reply to you, but do you know what?
I asked skypoker the question. they said that if a player asks other players to leave a ring game then they should be reported, they would be chat banned for first offence and banned from site if it happens again.
lol i thought 5toneface's last post was spot on, but seriously whats the point in asking for everyone's opinions on a subject when you're going to get flustered when most people disagree with you?
I love it when someone asks a question, seemingly openly, but actually has their own strong opinion and thenlambasts anyone stating the contrary view. If Sky has a rule about it - it doesn't make it right! Posted by Eyeman
Very good point bud, rules are just that rules.
doesnt make them right, you are also correct that I had a strong opinion but wrong in that my mind couldnt be changed, I realy think most of the replies to the thread that dissagread with me had weak answers that didnt address the question, I think that I agreed with some parts of peoples opinions and did say that I can see where they are coming from, but to be honest a lot of the answers were disapointing and frankly childish imo.
but you are correct if skypoker agree with me we both could be wrong
I think it is understandable that a player might wish to play against a player alone heads up for a number of reasons (having lost a few pull-ups to a fish being the obvious one), but I certainly don't think it's right. If you lose to a fish - that's just tough - you don't have the right to get your money back, it's just poker - chalk it up to experience, and know that another day you'll win as much if not more back off another poor player. If I bet on Chelsea to win at Wolves, I don't expect a refund because Wolves did the unthinkable, I just shrug my shoulders, knowing that over the last XX years, those bets have paid off.
However, I don't think it is collusion of any sort. It's a request, nothing more. If a player can't / won't / doesn't see the chat-box that's their choice of how to play. I know that Sky players can play via a set-top box, but that, again, is a choice. If you are ever disadvantaged by not seeing chat in the chat box - that's also just tough, in my opinion. A player might come to a table and say - "hey I just won £5,000,000 on the lottery, and I'm going to gift £1,000 to the players here over the next hour". If you don't see the chat and you fold to his huge raise (having of course seen him lose a couple of hundred quid in this manner already) - tough. Live with it.
FWIW here's my opinion. I think it is understandable that a player might wish to play against a player alone heads up for a number of reasons (having lost a few pull-ups to a fish being the obvious one), but I certainly don't think it's right. If you lose to a fish - that's just tough - you don't have the right to get your money back, it's just poker - chalk it up to experience, and know that another day you'll win as much if not more back off another poor player. If I bet on Chelsea to win at Wolves, I don't expect a refund because Wolves did the unthinkable, I just shrug my shoulders, knowing that over the last XX years, those bets have paid off. However, I don't think it is collusion of any sort. It's a request, nothing more. If a player can't / won't / doesn't see the chat-box that's their choice of how to play. I know that Sky players can play via a set-top box, but that, again, is a choice. If you are ever disadvantaged by not seeing chat in the chat box - that's also just tough, in my opinion. A player might come to a table and say - "hey I just won £5,000,000 on the lottery, and I'm going to gift £1,000 to the players here over the next hour". If you don't see the chat and you fold to his huge raise (having of course seen him lose a couple of hundred quid in this manner already) - tough. Live with it. Posted by Eyeman
In Response to Re: is this ok? : If he really doesn't want to play HU he has the option of sitting out until someone else joins the game. No-one is forced to play HU. Posted by MereNovice
Is English not your first language?, maybe someone could translate for you, and perhaps then, you could understand the posts better.
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its very fair if a player says hey bud ya wanna play me hu?
seems a little dodgy if the player say hey can you guys leave this ring game, I wanna play this guy hu.
I know that if this is ok then I could abuse it, if I could think of a way then its only a matter of time before others do also.
thanks again
peter
Honestly if someone asked me to stand i would ask if the other person wanted hu aswell, if he said no or there was no reply i would carry on playing.
Also your making out as if there are several players playing, and then one person asks the others to leave so they can play the other player HU. This is not what happens. Normally 2 people will be playing. Then when another sits, they will ask him if its ok to carry on their game HU, (normally before the 3rd person plays a hand).
I dont see anyway you can abuse it. Because the 3rd player has the right to say no. And my guess is the majority of players would say no, like me. And the "fish" has the right to leave the table at any time. But if you could think of a way, please share it with me.
I asked skypoker the question. they said that if a player asks other players to leave a ring game then they should be reported, they would be chat banned for first offence and banned from site if it happens again.
so... thats the answer
IT IS NOT OK TO ASK PLAYERS TO LEAVE A RING GAME
Ok im bored now.
Me too let this sink please
God belss ya pookums
doesnt make them right, you are also correct that I had a strong opinion but wrong in that my mind couldnt be changed, I realy think most of the replies to the thread that dissagread with me had weak answers that didnt address the question, I think that I agreed with some parts of peoples opinions and did say that I can see where they are coming from, but to be honest a lot of the answers were disapointing and frankly childish imo.
but you are correct if skypoker agree with me we both could be wrong
peter
ps can you just give me the 1k?
Kind regards