In Response to Re: Is this a terrible fold? One for the Poker Clinic to look at on Sunday I think... : Not saying there is anything wrong with him calling QT suited multi-way, but personally not sure he does. Hopefully get this hand played out on Sunday so that I can see that I've been pwned. Posted by CLIOKID
If you're not sure he does, that means he's doing something right. Poker would be so much easier if you knew what he was up to, hence why I tend to go for all possibilities before definitely eliminating them.
Oh, and for the record, I am not convinced he has QT either. I just definitely think it's a contender, *especially* considering the post flop action.
In Response to Re: Is this a terrible fold? One for the Poker Clinic to look at on Sunday I think... : If you're not sure he does, that means he's doing something right. Poker would be so much easier if you knew what he was up to, hence why I tend to go for all possibilities before definitely eliminating them. Oh, and for the record, I am not convinced he has QT either. I just definitely think it's a contender, *especially* considering the post flop action. Posted by Sky_Dave
Why would QT raise so little pricing in draws?
I'm nigh on certain he has 99 here and is trying to draw value out of a Q.
In Response to Re: Is this a terrible fold? One for the Poker Clinic to look at on Sunday I think... : Why would QT raise so little pricing in draws? I'm nigh on certain he has 99 here and is trying to draw value out of a Q. Posted by CLIOKID
Which draws would we worry about? Axcc is definitely a contender, but otherwise it's gutshots? Playing devil's advocate again, maybe he's raising smaller as he's not 100% sure he has the best hand? Again, not my way of playing it (I'd be raising Qx, 99 and bluffs all to the same amount), but possible?
Given you are unlikely to lead out (but leading out is the new checking tho innit?) with an ok Q, could easily see Cottlad with any PP, maybe 10 10 or even a smaller one?
Your lead out bet looks like you've hit a good draw (open ended straighty or NF draw) and he figures a strong re-raise will make it too expensive to pursue your draw and if you had a 9, maybe convince you he has a Q?
I, for one, would shove it in and "nh" him if he's got a better hand.
Given you are unlikely to lead out (but leading out is the new checking tho innit?) with an ok Q, could easily see Cottlad with any PP, maybe 10 10 or even a smaller one? Your lead out bet looks like you've hit a good draw (open ended straighty or NF draw) and he figures a strong re-raise will make it too expensive to pursue your draw and if you had a 9, maybe convince you he has a Q? I, for one, would shove it in and "nh" him if he's got a better hand. Posted by dtm75
no point in raising TT/JJ as you are not getting called by worse and the hands that you do get called by are likely to be big combo draws that you aren't that ahead of.
In Response to Re: Is this a terrible fold? One for the Poker Clinic to look at on Sunday I think... : Which draws would we worry about? Axcc is definitely a contender, but otherwise it's gutshots? Playing devil's advocate again, maybe he's raising smaller as he's not 100% sure he has the best hand? Again, not my way of playing it (I'd be raising Qx, 99 and bluffs all to the same amount), but possible? Posted by Sky_Dave
Axcc, JTcc, KTcc?
I think it's an interesting spot.
To be honest I usually go against my gut and stick it in here, and then they turn over what I expected them to have and think why did I not go with my instinct.
So, for once, I go with my instinct.
It would have been a good fold if I was right, had I not stacked off on a bluff in the same orbit. Lol.
no point in raising TT/JJ as you are not getting called by worse and the hands that you do get called by are likely to be big combo draws that you aren't that ahead of.
cottlad has basically JTcc/AQ/KQ and maybe QJ
good point well made
Related Q: is TT/JJ an insta-fold here then? flat calling an option? just one over which has paired up?
In Response to Re: Is this a terrible fold? One for the Poker Clinic to look at on Sunday I think... : 5x oop? I think that would be a leak. Not really sure why u ask the other Q. Scotty has his range, but add 99 in there. Posted by pryce6
its prolly a leak if you play fit or fold, the other Q was a joke regarding you betting your roll on it lol
In Response to Re: Is this a terrible fold? One for the Poker Clinic to look at on Sunday I think... : Axcc, JTcc, KTcc? I think it's an interesting spot. To be honest I usually go against my gut and stick it in here, and then they turn over what I expected them to have and think why did I not go with my instinct. So, for once, I go with my instinct. It would have been a good fold if I was right, had I not stacked off on a bluff in the same orbit. Lol. Posted by CLIOKID
if your bet sizing was better you can pretty much be ok with folding, if i was in the Big Blind my calling range pre would be a bit wider than norm and post flop i wouldn't have anyone on a queen and clios bet looks stabby with a poss draw but would expect him to take a free one, i would raise in this spot expecting to take it down alot of the time (and if i did call pre x5 with q I0 i would be looking for opportunities like this if i don't connect big)
if your bet sizing was better you can pretty much be ok with folding, if i was in the Big Blind my calling range pre would be a bit wider than norm and post flop i wouldn't have anyone on a queen and clios bet looks stabby with a poss draw but would expect him to take a free one, i would raise in this spot expecting to take it down alot of the time (and if i did call pre x5 with q I0 i would be looking for opportunities like this if i don't connect big) Posted by N1CK
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Oh, and for the record, I am not convinced he has QT either. I just definitely think it's a contender, *especially* considering the post flop action.
Your lead out bet looks like you've hit a good draw (open ended straighty or NF draw) and he figures a strong re-raise will make it too expensive to pursue your draw and if you had a 9, maybe convince you he has a Q?
I, for one, would shove it in and "nh" him if he's got a better hand.
cottlad has basically JTcc/AQ/KQ and maybe QJ.
Related Q: is TT/JJ an insta-fold here then? flat calling an option? just one over which has paired up?
If he has one of the very few hands you fear then reload but there is a good chance you're ahead and if not you have outs.