Think is with 4 in the hand it's easy for someone to have the Queen so I don't see Cottlad raising with air here. Posted by pryce6
why would you check a Queen on that board? and if you had a Queen why would you bet so small,...... yeah i think your right cottlad aint good enough to make the play with air or some kind of insurance draw hes just a nit with the nutz, Good fold Clio
In Response to Re: Is this a terrible fold? One for the Poker Clinic to look at on Sunday I think... : why would you check a Queen on that board? and if you had a Queen why would you bet so small,...... yeah i think your right cottlad aint good enough to make the play with air or some kind of insurance draw hes just a nit with the nutz, Good fold Clio Posted by N1CK
if you donk 4 way it's like screaming yaaay I have a Q fold to me nowwww.
I didn't say cottlad aint good enough, far from it. I just don't think it's the type of flop he would want to bluff raise into 4 people. He prob thinks Clio's got some kind of hand, and if not it's highly likely one of the others has connected big time.
In Response to Re: Is this a terrible fold? One for the Poker Clinic to look at on Sunday I think... : if you donk 4 way it's like screaming yaaay I have a Q fold to me nowwww. I didn't say cottlad aint good enough, far from it. I just don't think it's the type of flop he would want to bluff raise into 4 people. He prob thinks Clio's got some kind of hand, and if not it's highly likely one of the others has connected big time. Posted by pryce6
if he thinks everyone is weak couldnt he do it with a2-5clubs a10 clubs?
In Response to Re: Is this a terrible fold? One for the Poker Clinic to look at on Sunday I think... : if he thinks everyone is weak couldnt he do it with a2-5clubs a10 clubs? Posted by N1CK
Yep he definitely could.
Hopefully they will talk about this hand tomorrow and i can find out whether or not i did make a decent fold!
surely if you work out your ev,then u hav to shove,with only 4 hands beating you ,just cant lay this down. how good does it have to be,before you shove. If you flat call and see another card,you are committed to the pot then,so just grow a pair and shove the flop,and give your opponent the chance of folding.obv cant see how much he has behind,looks like £29,so he calls your shove i think,as he has bet a 1/3 of his stack on the flop.
his check raise,this is what is causing your dilema,full house ??In the big blind,would he want to go into a multi pot,with 99,s, AQ ,dont think so,would re-raise to hope fully get 1-1.
KQ ,q9 yes prob flat call the raises. so that would limit this to only 2 hands beating you. if he has queen 9,dont think he re raises as much, kq poss to re-raise as much,poss flush draw. so conclude that the only hand he has thats beating you is kq. however the amount of hands that you are beating is so wide,most likely j,10 or k10 suited,then u have to dodge some cards.
now im not an expierenced player,and EVs are some what new to me now.but surley that must dictate your play here. shove ,shove ,shove
his check raise,this is what is causing your dilema,full house ??In the big blind,would he want to go into a multi pot,with 99,s, AQ ,dont think so,would re-raise to hope fully get 1-1. Posted by thejudge10
incorrect imo. why raise in the big blind with these hands. a) your going to be called in at least 2 spots meaning your out of position post flop to a whole heap of hands. b) in a multi-way pot out of position with these 2 hands there arent many flops you are going to like.
i think most players just flat call there with 9's hoping they can catch a 9 and get involved in a big multiway pot. same with AQ, if he re-raises pre and the flop comes K-9-8 whats he going to do then, hes inflated the pot by 3-betting and hes out of position to at least 2 players with just A high. naa i think he WOULD just flat there with those hands which means its quite possible he has ze nuts.
and cottlad only plays quads or better so probs has quad queens
yeah its a pity coz there has been some good discussion all because of a slightly wrong bet size by the OP and a thinking player in the BB, there is a good possibility he has nines but the way this hand played you can add more hands to his range, if i was in this spot i would call the raise then reevaluate with position and prolly end up leveling myself lol
Havn't read any of the replys, but this is a fistpump call on this wet flop. What do you think he is going to do with straight/flush/combo draws. All that we are a big favourite against. Also we have a Queen so it's hard for him to have one.Pre is an easy 3b/fold, we are going to be dominated by his iso raising range and although we can flop well we will probably end up value towning ourself on Q/J high boards. Pre I probably like a 3bet as I think he is iso'ng alot and we haz position/2 blockers.
As for the flop the pot to stack ratio is really good meaning we don't have to bet here. If we check flop, we can bet turn, jam river. Or call turn/jam river and rep missed clubs etc.
Can't believe he actually had basically the one hand that I could realistically beat.
Had the morning off work, flicking through the sky epg, seen poker clinic was on, first hand was this, had totally forgot about it. Good start to the day :-)
In Response to Re: Is this a terrible fold? One for the Poker Clinic to look at on Sunday I think... : I know you are being sarcastic lol. Can't believe he actually had basically the one hand that I could realistically beat. Had the morning off work, flicking through the sky epg, seen poker clinic was on, first hand was this, had totally forgot about it. Good start to the day :-) Posted by CLIOKID
yeah i was being sarcastic but i still think its a bad fold lol
In Response to Re: Is this a terrible fold? One for the Poker Clinic to look at on Sunday I think... : yeah i was being sarcastic but i still think its a bad fold lol Posted by N1CK
I never make hero folds.
My one time attempt at making one I get it spectacularly wrong.
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I didn't say cottlad aint good enough, far from it. I just don't think it's the type of flop he would want to bluff raise into 4 people. He prob thinks Clio's got some kind of hand, and if not it's highly likely one of the others has connected big time.
how good does it have to be,before you shove.
If you flat call and see another card,you are committed to the pot then,so just grow a pair and shove the flop,and give your opponent the chance of folding.obv cant see how much he has behind,looks like £29,so he calls your shove i think,as he has bet a 1/3 of his stack on the flop.
his check raise,this is what is causing your dilema,full house ??In the big blind,would he want to go into a multi pot,with 99,s, AQ ,dont think so,would re-raise to hope fully get 1-1.
KQ ,q9 yes prob flat call the raises.
so that would limit this to only 2 hands beating you.
if he has queen 9,dont think he re raises as much, kq poss to re-raise as much,poss flush draw.
so conclude that the only hand he has thats beating you is kq.
however the amount of hands that you are beating is so wide,most likely j,10 or k10 suited,then u have to dodge some cards.
now im not an expierenced player,and EVs are some what new to me now.but surley that must dictate your play here. shove ,shove ,shove
As for the flop the pot to stack ratio is really good meaning we don't have to bet here. If we check flop, we can bet turn, jam river. Or call turn/jam river and rep missed clubs etc.
IMO
Pre - fold />3bet>>>>>>>call
Turn - Check behind