Dont think about it as how much money you have in your bankroll, think about it like you would any game, your playing with points to make more points use your skill and bankroll management to increase your points, move up and down the levels that your skill and points dictate, its alot easier to lose points than it is money. What do points make??
the best way to stop yourself going onto those types of tables is just tell yourself" i aint good enough". its true, if you were you would have a roll to back it up. dont get me wrong i do treat myself to a shot at levels i shouldnt be playin, i play nl20/30 and if i have had a really good session £100+ i will go to nl50 for a game of hu. only got 1 player to beat and even if i lose i still got £50+ left added on to br. personally it would scare the poo poo out of me to seat at a six handed table with the whole of my roll in front of me. i play for a laugh, but i also remember it took me 3mnths to build it up, i aint blowin it in 1hr!!!
Does exactly what it says on the tin, time to actually start taking this seriously instead of doing eratic things in a few weeks going to start a fresh by depositing a fair amount and start things seriously but this time no cash tables as that has what has got me in trouble in the past lol so if anyone has any tips that may help me with building a decent bankroll please feel free to add as I would appreciate the advice. Ps. i know cash tables is where the money is but i'm in it for the long haul now not worried about making a crazy amount as quick as possible. thanks Posted by delaney09
I think the key is to understand what your strongest variant of poker is and focus on it. Myne was HU Turbo SNGs (£5). I deposited £50 in early december and by the end of december cashed out £500 and left a bit in, then been regularly cashing out on profits until last week when i had £270 left after my cash for point bonus, since then donked £160 and cashed out my last £110 last night.
When I come back I want to focus on the standard heads up play rather than turbos, will try to 4 table to get good volume in as the turbos where starting to become a luck fest with bad beat and outdraws becoming the norm.
In Response to Time To Build A Bank Roll : I think the key is to understand what your strongest variant of poker is and focus on it. Myne was HU Turbo SNGs (£5). I deposited £50 in early december and by the end of december cashed out £500 and left a bit in, then been regularly cashing out on profits until last week when i had £270 left after my cash for point bonus, since then donked £160 and cashed out my last £110 last night. When I come back I want to focus on the standard heads up play rather than turbos, will try to 4 table to get good volume in as the turbos where starting to become a luck fest with bad beat and outdraws becoming the norm. Posted by ACEGOONER
they always were a luck fest. you winning over a couple of months is just an extended run of luck. nothing against you or your game its just that the struture allows very little skill.
In Response to Re: Time To Build A Bank Roll : they always were a luck fest. you winning over a couple of months is just an extended run of luck. nothing against you or your game its just that the struture allows very little skill. Posted by scotty77
did u manage to get a seat through the satellite for the 4k open tonight i was on your table for a little while then got moved and went card dead luckily i watched the entry bubble burst on my table and just made it in
In Response to Re: Time To Build A Bank Roll : they always were a luck fest. you winning over a couple of months is just an extended run of luck. nothing against you or your game its just that the struture allows very little skill. Posted by scotty77
VVVV wrong.
Skope Gaza599, he's crushing the sng leaderboard this year.
I'm on it, as is Gooner.
In the case of the 2 G's - All profit is from HU turbos
People under-estimate the skill in them, this makes them profitable.
In Response to Re: Time To Build A Bank Roll : did u manage to get a seat through the satellite for the 4k open tonight i was on your table for a little while then got moved and went card dead luckily i watched the entry bubble burst on my table and just made it in Posted by delaney09
yep GL.
ok then doh i accept that there is a skill set to them. however they are gonna be far more high variance than most other forums of poker so your gonna need to be far higher rolled than for cash/dym
Builing a bankroll in my experience is all about momentum. Once you get a start, (put 50 on and get it upto 100) it becomes easier to concentrate and focus on keeping it going..... If you break your momentum, by running/playing bad, and drop back from £100 to 50, the chances are the rest of it is going to go the same way.... Once you get a start, try and keep it going. I can't understand the people who build it up, say £50 into £500....and then blow it......You guys must just have too much money. I've worked so hard to build mine over the years, that I do everything I can to protect it. Obv this has it's own negative implications, as I will still be at 30nl in 2021 (lol) but I'd much rather have it this way than have to deposit every month. Look at building a bankroll as a challenge, and when you have the momentum, try and keep it going in the right direction, coz once it turns on you, it's really hard to get it going for you once again.... Imagine doing a 1,000 word jigsaw puzzle, then having to break it up and put it back in the box. It would break my heart Posted by DOHHHHHHH
defo agree with post, what i did with my bankroll was to set limits, starting playing 30-60p dym and £1 hu , once i hit a target amount of £100 i stepped up to £1-2 dym and £1-2 hu, once i hit this target of £500 i moved up to 5dym and 5hu with target set at £1000 , ive now moved up to £10 dym but still play £5 dym mainly due to traffic. so if i lost alot of games and went below my target i had set i would drop down in my levels until i reach my target again. also playing in the value deepstack's normally gives yours bankroll a boost. a steady increase in your bankroll is probably better than a sharp increase and than having a sharp decrease i.e climb the mountain to quick then falling off once you reach the top!!! so in other words u want an everlasting mountain.
In Response to Re: Time To Build A Bank Roll : defo agree with post, what i did with my bankroll was to set limits, starting playing 30-60p dym and £1 hu , once i hit a target amount of £100 i stepped up to £1-2 dym and £1-2 hu, once i hit this target of £500 i moved up to 5dym and 5hu with target set at £1000 , ive now moved up to £10 dym but still play £5 dym mainly due to traffic. so if i lost alot of games and went below my target i had set i would drop down in my levels until i reach my target again. also playing in thevalue deepstack's normally gives yours bankroll a boost. a steady increase in your bankroll is probably better than a sharp increase and than having a sharp decrease i.e climb the mountain to quick then falling off once you reach the top!!! so in other words u want an everlasting mountain. Posted by ROBBIEROTT
In Response to Re: Time To Build A Bank Roll : VVVV wrong. Skope Gaza599, he's crushing the sng leaderboard this year. I'm on it, as is Gooner. In the case of the 2 G's - All profit is from HU turbos People under-estimate the skill in them, this makes them profitable. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Exactamundo, when you play 3k games and show a good profit that is not luck. True variance has got the better of me in my mind at the moment, but I know I can beat this game. Dohhhh, gaza559, nutter5932, loki1 and a few other have all made money at turbos.
Interesting thread this. Many different ideas about the way to go to build your BR, HU sngs, low level cash, deep stacks, DYMs.
To me this just shows how much it varies from player to player, and the important thing is to know what is most profitable for you. So keep a log of each format and after a while you will find out in which type of game you are most successful and where you are donking off your cash.
Then stick to what you know best.
Agree with JJ 100%. If you have built a bankroll over a period of time it becomes sacred. I have taken money out from mine but will never put any more in. If I lose it I will probably give up the game for good.
I,d go along with a lot of the above and realy listen to the advice given and be disciplined enough to apply it.
I,d play the 2p/4p tables as suggested for at least a month, but be prepared to get bored and seriously frustrated at times , but you BR should start to build
I know you like playing tourneys, but just stick with low stakes ones or the odd satelite depending on how much you have won on the cash tables. (I tend to use them as a treat if ive done ok at cash)
you should be able to move up after this, but the hard thing i,ve found is adjusting from 2p/4p to 5p/10p as playing at 2p/4p for so long will not improve your game, so when you step up the levels you have to adjust your play accordingly and concentarte a bit more - maybe play less tables
This is just 1 idea out of a few, but as Penguin said and I think I,ll be taking some of his advice about trying things and seeing what works best for you
In Response to Re: Time To Build A Bank Roll : yep GL. ok then doh i accept that there is a skill set to them. however they are gonna be far more high variance than most other forums of poker so your gonna need to be far higher rolled than for cash/dym Posted by scotty77
turbo hu sngs are higher variance than regulars, i play alot of them between 6max and i play the regular ones, because my edge is so big over most of my opponents i avoid flips so the games can drag on, with the turbos you can play a higher volume and take the marginal spots so i guess they can kinda even out profit wise, so basically my thinking is if your playing 3x more turbos than regulars the variance should even out.
i also think if you have an edge hu is less variance than 6max, if you play someone of similar ability hu then its alot higher variance
started playing the turbo HU's today just to get a feel for them with what i have left in my BR at the moment before i put a fresh deposit just playing the £1.10 and £2.20 ones started playing about 2pm played 3 won 3 think i could get used to these nice and quick and even though its not a massive profit it is slow and steady
Can you teach me to play HU N1ck. I only win because the players are REALLY bad. I want to learn to beat bad players, as well as REALLY bad players. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
just start off playing default/straight forward then adjust to counter how they play when you work them out, if you playing turbos i would defo be only min opening the button as default, and if your playing fish you can open x3 with big hands as they dont take any notice of bet sizes, your no1 priority is to categorise your opponent asap
so for the last 2 and a half hours i did what some suggested played a little 4nl.... one thing grinding is tiring but did okay sat with the maximum of £4 got an early double up and ended up leaving with £22 so +4.5 BI's not going to complain if i can keep that up for the next couple weeks i should be good to go, but obviously I know right round the corner will be that bad word "variance" when that hits it will be time to take a couple of days break then go at it again, and so on
Does exactly what it says on the tin, time to actually start taking this seriously instead of doing eratic things in a few weeks going to start a fresh by depositing a fair amount and start things seriously but this time no cash tables as that has what has got me in trouble in the past lol so if anyone has any tips that may help me with building a decent bankroll please feel free to add as I would appreciate the advice. Ps. i know cash tables is where the money is but i'm in it for the long haul now not worried about making a crazy amount as quick as possible. thanks Posted by delaney09
Hi. I had to withdraw a large chunk of my bankroll this week which left me £150. I played in the open for £22 last night:Yes i know i shouldn't: but i noticed how much my game changed. Instead of going for the win i was playing to cash to which i came 36th and got £39. like you i have to start again. The way i built my bankroll to start with was playing the bounty hunters. pick on the weaker players get thier head prizes and build a stack with a bit of luck youll make the final table. A coulpe of good cashes youll soon be on your way. gl
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What do points make??
When I come back I want to focus on the standard heads up play rather than turbos, will try to 4 table to get good volume in as the turbos where starting to become a luck fest with bad beat and outdraws becoming the norm.
did u manage to get a seat through the satellite for the 4k open tonight i was on your table for a little while then got moved and went card dead luckily i watched the entry bubble burst on my table and just made it in
ok then doh i accept that there is a skill set to them. however they are gonna be far more high variance than most other forums of poker so your gonna need to be far higher rolled than for cash/dym
To me this just shows how much it varies from player to player, and the important thing is to know what is most profitable for you. So keep a log of each format and after a while you will find out in which type of game you are most successful and where you are donking off your cash.
Then stick to what you know best.
Agree with JJ 100%. If you have built a bankroll over a period of time it becomes sacred. I have taken money out from mine but will never put any more in. If I lose it I will probably give up the game for good.
I,d play the 2p/4p tables as suggested for at least a month, but be prepared to get bored and seriously frustrated at times , but you BR should start to build
I know you like playing tourneys, but just stick with low stakes ones or the odd satelite depending on how much you have won on the cash tables. (I tend to use them as a treat if ive done ok at cash)
you should be able to move up after this, but the hard thing i,ve found is adjusting from 2p/4p to 5p/10p as playing at 2p/4p for so long will not improve your game, so when you step up the levels you have to adjust your play accordingly and concentarte a bit more - maybe play less tables
This is just 1 idea out of a few, but as Penguin said and I think I,ll be taking some of his advice about trying things and seeing what works best for you
GL
i also think if you have an edge hu is less variance than 6max, if you play someone of similar ability hu then its alot higher variance
well i am grinded out for tonight/morning
good night