He's much more likely to be trying to win a 5 hour deepstack in 20 minutes in my experience - trying to win every pot. Again this is where skope stats would come in. I'm happy to check fold this flop with 4.5k chips left at 15/30. A mere flesh wound ! Posted by DOHHHHHHH
im not arguing with this all im saying i dont think the op has given sufficient information for you to justify he is a lunatic, all this guy has done is 3 bet twice in twelve hands and one of them was to a button raise to a guy that is prolly opening a lot of hands based on the hands he said he had
You don't need to lead flop. If you c/f the flop you played it fine. you've "gambled" 500, assuming that you get his stack (or at least a pot sized bet) on a flop that's J high or lower. It's about 45% to have a flop with no A K or Q. 500 to win 5k at just above even money, say 13/8..... (or even 500 to win 1k if he only fires 1 street) It's a good bet!!!! dw about it, check/fold hope u find a better spot before someone else does. No point having a deep stack if you aren't gonna use it! Posted by DOHHHHHHH
The fact that he is going to fire if you check the flop does it not make sense to lead out and rep first what this craxy is going to rep. Checking the flop is justing handing the pot over to him. At least if he calls or raises you know your beat rarther than just check/folding the flop which seems a bit of weak play. Ok the lead may be spewy againts a good solid regular but v this crazy is not the best move?
In Response to Re: JJ in SB facing 14x raise from UTG early in deepstack : in the early stages of these sky mtts when all the soft money is still around i dont think its that bad of an idea to make ridic huge opens with monster hands even more so when better players are more than happy to stack off pre here with one pair of jacks Posted by N1CK
I was thinking the same thing, but try it and everyone folds anyway and bang you feel like a plonker )
In Response to Re: JJ in SB facing 14x raise from UTG early in deepstack : im still scratching my head at the 500 to win 5k statement Posted by N1CK
DOH is talking about implied odds given that fact this guy is crazy and may hand over the rest of his stack on a 10 high board or something similar like a AJ3 board.
Only read the OP, but this is how I like to play BIG pairs early, hoping someone is dumb enough to call and hit part of the flop. Better to have one big caller than 6 little ones, leading to the outdraw.
If we lead the flop we're probably bluffing. Or building the pot for him to bluff the flop or just call and take it away when we have to check the turn & river. Bluffing a maniac isn't a good idea. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Given that fact this guy is crazy :S I am not going to expect a float from him. If he calls then I am done with the hand. He could be floating but more likely he would have ace rag. But I do agree bluffing into a maniac is not a good idea but sod it I am betting 780 on this flop ) V you DOH would c/f for sure
Only read the OP, but this is how I like to play BIG pairs early, hoping someone is dumb enough to call and hit part of the flop. Better to have one big caller than 6 little ones, leading to the outdraw. Posted by AMYBR
What percentage of the time do you get action if you raise between x8 - x14bb
In Response to Re: JJ in SB facing 14x raise from UTG early in deepstack : What percentage of the time do you get action if you raise between x8 - x14bb Posted by rancid
early in theses sky mtts i would say around 90% (being conservative)
Have to agree much of the time. Weaker players stacks are highest blindswise relative to total stack stack at the start of MTTs. They perceive they have all these chips left to play with if the hand goes south, over valueing many marginal hands.
Also it has to be remembered that people will think/ approach things differently. Most people would approach the bet size in the OP (the 3 bet raise) with a 4 bet allin or fold decision mentality. But there are many people who'd be happy to call and play from the flop onwards, with far less than the J's holding.
In Response to Re: JJ in SB facing 14x raise from UTG early in deepstack : whats the general standard of play like in the early stages? like if i open shoved AK UTG for 5k am i likely to get snap called by AJ sooooted? Posted by N1CK
I'd say there is about a 5-10% chance of getting someone who would make that call but a lot of the time most people won't go crazy unless they have a very good hand.
In this spot of course it's a stupid UTG raise but sometimes players know they'll get a 4,5-6x called multi way so think getting one opponant is better.
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I was thinking the same thing, but try it and everyone folds anyway and bang you feel like a plonker )
But I do agree bluffing into a maniac is not a good idea but sod it I am betting 780 on this flop )
V you DOH would c/f for sure
In this spot of course it's a stupid UTG raise but sometimes players know they'll get a 4,5-6x called multi way so think getting one opponant is better.