In Response to Re: 30nl. Shove, or value bet? : This guy is taking a gamble by checking the turn and not betting for value. I think unless you hand is well disguised you can not check the turn praying this guy is going to bet and you check/shove on him. If he had a hidden straight or something yeah why not check as the other guy is going to bet for value on the river. With the board showing a flush to anyone 9/10 players will check/back given the oppurtunity. Basically it just makes no sense to check the river in this spot with the board as it is unless he is holding such a weak flush. If Doh is thinking he may be holding a weak flush then hey ho what you going to do just shove it up him ? Will he fold his weak flush, because he looks like he gone into check/call mode. i LOVE THIS GAME Posted by rancid
Lol share the sentiment at end there . Your right, I did say it would be a gamble to check hoping opponent builds pot for you.
Thing is we know you have to bet your hands for value. But there are many other players who would be happy to slow play their made flush here. Over sample size betting your hand for value is the best line to take. Many people dont think along these lines, or approach the game in such a broad way. He does risk missing out on huge value holding the flush, but he easily still could gamble this line, more so at turn than river though.
Just in this instance, with not feeling the flow of the game yet or opponents tendancies (being the first hand) I'm happy to check. Dont need to felt him this quickly
My read would be that he was dissapointed that the turn wasn't a spade and is looking a free card? If, as you say, you were prepared to shove river, I'd say do it now!
I would value bet about £12 and call shove, surely we are ahead more times than not and plus I think we get a call off a lot of Ax hands we beat. What flushes are we losing to that raise BB, say 89s and KJs. The fact he is heads up player and knows your spewy(you words not mine) makes either move ok but think shoving may fold a few more Ax hands.
Betting seems pretty thin, on the other hand I expect him to have AK lots. If hes good he's not leading river with a flush, he either c/r turn or calls and checks river to you.
**** it, readless with top 2 bvb I stick it in, hope to get called by AK maybe a heroic AJ. I think this is pretty close though. I dont see any point in betting small, hes either herocalling with a bluffcather or folding
I check behind im a wuss and think he's got a flush and i have played him before but ages ago so half readless half knowing he's pretty solid KJ spades? him, i would probably re-raise pre although we're out of positon i think he could be raising pretty wide here Posted by YOUNG_GUN
He's in position and should be 3betting. Make it enough thats if he calls He would be as well as being all in i suggest 12 bucks here. Both Value and inducing a stupid bluff.
In Response to Re: 30nl. Shove, or value bet? : He's in position and should be 3betting. Make it enough thats if he calls He would be as well as being all in i suggest 12 bucks here. Both Value and inducing a stupid bluff. Posted by yuranASSet
I realised that as someone already posted it, It was because i saw wer were on BB and was being silly and not reading it properly
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Thing is we know you have to bet your hands for value. But there are many other players who would be happy to slow play their made flush here. Over sample size betting your hand for value is the best line to take. Many people dont think along these lines, or approach the game in such a broad way. He does risk missing out on huge value holding the flush, but he easily still could gamble this line, more so at turn than river though.
Just in this instance, with not feeling the flow of the game yet or opponents tendancies (being the first hand) I'm happy to check. Dont need to felt him this quickly
Betting seems pretty thin, on the other hand I expect him to have AK lots. If hes good he's not leading river with a flush, he either c/r turn or calls and checks river to you.
**** it, readless with top 2 bvb I stick it in, hope to get called by AK maybe a heroic AJ. I think this is pretty close though. I dont see any point in betting small, hes either herocalling with a bluffcather or folding