The real issue is big stack can be opening a really wide range there, some your dominating most your not. The real Question becomes - in a dym, on the bubble - is it worth calling there? Particularly when there's going to be a clash soon based on shorties stacks. So they are right really. This spot played a 1000 (000000000) times, your best play is the fold.
It just comes down to how you want the rest of the dym to play out.
ok no point argueing with the 'experts'. if its such a fold why the post?. both players already folded. clearly trying to steal the blinds...if ur a gambler(like me) then call. if u like to fold ur way round hoping to cash then fold. nuff said. i suspect he has a ace with lower kicker so his dominated. and made a stupid move and ur a monster chip lead.
ok no point argueing with the 'experts'. if its such a fold why the post?. both players already folded. clearly trying to steal the blinds...if ur a gambler(like me) then call. if u like to fold ur way round hoping to cash then fold. nuff said. i suspect he has a ace with lower kicker so his dominated. and made a stupid move and ur a monster chip lead. Posted by Crunchybob
OMG
even if he has a weaker ace, ur still only 70%, not gd enuf 2 call it off there
i dnt think u understand the diff bewteen gettin ur money in 1st and callin it off
again i think ur failin 2 understand the concept of dyms, u dnt nd all d chips, u jus nd 2 survive
How is this even a discussion again, the above hand it would not suprise me if we are good but as shanxta said its not worth it. leave it to the others to get involved here and fold away unless you get Aces/ Kings Shanx would you call here with KK? on that note what is the lowest you would call here in the above scenario I think Queens are probably marginal incase the shover has AK, i would assume Kings is correct? Posted by YOUNG_GUN
i completely understand dyms...i play them all the time and cash all the time. how do i do this...by not folding premium hands and by not getting bullied by a larger stacks..with blinds increasing the 2 short stacks are going to shove, therefore winning the blinds as ppl bottle it and dont call. im not saying this will happen for certain, but in my experience this is the case.
Maybe re read this thread and try and see some of the finer points bud. Its not really about bottling it or stones. DYN's should be your least gamble game, as there is no reward for gamble.
The written word is easy to minsinterpret bud. There is some really good advice here that I guarentee would make you more rounded and successful. GL
i completely understand dyms...i play them all the time and cash all the time. how do i do this...by not folding premium hands and by not getting bullied by a larger stacks..with blinds increasing the 2 short stacks are going to shove, therefore winning the blinds as ppl bottle it and dont call. im not saying this will happen for certain, but in my experience this is the case. Posted by Crunchybob
just a quick one, if you cash in them all the time why aren't you in profit?
even i fold this and i'm the master of making bad calls!
In Response to Re: DYM decision on the bubble??? : just a quick one, if you cash in them all the time why aren't you in profit? even i fold this and i'm the master of making bad calls! Posted by waller02
lol i did wonder..................
he fails 2 notice he is wrong, even when everyone else posting does not agree
he asks why it is posted if the decision is so clear cut, is it so that people can learn - u see micro cash hands posted all the time - and with all respect 2 micro cash players (this includes myself) - the answer is normally so obv to high stakes regs, however the point is from this people LEARN!
i completely understand dyms...i play them all the time and cash all the time. how do i do this...by not folding premium hands and by not getting bullied by a larger stacks..with blinds increasing the 2 short stacks are going to shove, therefore winning the blinds as ppl bottle it and dont call. im not saying this will happen for certain, but in my experience this is the case. Posted by Crunchybob
how am i not in profit..ive deposit no money on sky and have a £75 br..from a free £5 i got couple weeks ago..put 15VEGAS promo in...i work al day play 3-4 hrs a night most nights..not bad going if u ask me.
In Response to Re: DYM decision on the bubble??? : lol i did wonder.................. he fails 2 notice he is wrong, even when everyone else posting does not agree he asks why it is posted if the decision is so clear cut, is it so that people can learn - u see micro cash hands posted all the time - and with all respect 2 micro cash players (this includes myself) - the answer is normally so obv to high stakes regs, however the point is from this people LEARN! Posted by SHANXTA
Good point Shanxta
The reason I posted it was to learn myself :
The thing is I have been folding some good hands in similar positions and then getting dragged back into the game, so it wasn,t a snap fold, but I did eventually and it paid off.
But this thread has certainly helped -Loads of good responses + reasoning. regarding my odds , stack sizes and calling off rather than getting money in 1st, so thanks to all posters :
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The real issue is big stack can be opening a really wide range there, some your dominating most your not. The real Question becomes - in a dym, on the bubble - is it worth calling there? Particularly when there's going to be a clash soon based on shorties stacks. So they are right really. This spot played a 1000 (000000000) times, your best play is the fold.
It just comes down to how you want the rest of the dym to play out.
Stack size decision.
if u like to fold ur way round hoping to cash then fold. nuff said. i suspect he has a ace with lower kicker so his dominated. and made a stupid move and ur a monster chip lead.
easy snap fold. due to the others being so short.
The written word is easy to minsinterpret bud. There is some really good advice here that I guarentee would make you more rounded and successful. GL
We are surely />75% to cash 2nd in chips when 3/4 cash
This is why calling is bad
even i fold this and i'm the master of making bad calls!
so no epic fail here ty
top 3 is a win - DYM Dynamic - if this was MTT ALL IN BABY
so fold and wait your chipped up you have no pressure
The reason I posted it was to learn myself :
The thing is I have been folding some good hands in similar positions and then getting dragged back into the game, so it wasn,t a snap fold, but I did eventually and it paid off.
But this thread has certainly helped -Loads of good responses + reasoning. regarding my odds , stack sizes and calling off rather than getting money in 1st, so thanks to all posters :