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Phil Ivey statement RE DOJ....

scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
edited June 2011 in Poker Chat
not entirely sure that this is ok to post on here.  I can't see why not but maybe cos it lists the site names?  but everyone knows the companies in question anyway so I think its ok.

anyway great stuff from Phil Ivey here.

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For many years, I have been proud to call myself a poker player. This great sport has taken me to places I only imagined going and I have been blessed with much success. It is therefore with deep regret that I believe I am compelled to release the following statement.

I am deeply disappointed and embarrassed that Full Tilt players have not been paid money they are owed. I am equally embarrassed that as a result many players cannot compete in tournaments and have suffered economic harm. I am not playing in the World Series of Poker as I do not believe it is fair that I compete when others cannot. I am doing everything I can to seek a solution to the problem as quickly as possible.

My name and reputation have been dragged through the mud, through the inactivity and indecision of others and on behalf of all poker players I refuse to remain silent any longer. I have electronically filed a lawsuit against Tiltware related to the unsettled player accounts. As I am sure the public can imagine, this was not an easy decision for me.

I whole heartedly refuse to accept non-action as to repayment of players funds and I am angered that people who have supported me throughout my career have been treated so poorly.

I sincerely hope this statement will ignite those capable of resolving the problems into immediate action and would like to clarify that until a solution is reached that cements the security of all players, both US and International, I will, as I have for the last six weeks, dedicate the entirety of my time and efforts to finding a solution for those who have been wronged by the painfully slow process of repayment. 

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,097
    edited June 2011

    That's a real zomg

    What's more, I fancy you ain't heard nothing yet.

    LOTS more mileage in this, lots more zomgs to come. 
  • JockBMWJockBMW Member Posts: 2,653
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Phil Ivey statement RE DOJ....:
    That's a real zomg What's more, I fancy you ain't heard nothing yet. LOTS more mileage in this, lots more zomgs to come. 
    Posted by Tikay10

    OK I Admit it,  I turned 48 last week... I'm an old ****........  ZOMG?

  • MachkaMachka Member Posts: 4,627
    edited June 2011
    Never ZOMG, sometimes zomg, often zomg11!.
  • JockBMWJockBMW Member Posts: 2,653
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Phil Ivey statement RE DOJ....:
    Never ZOMG, sometimes zomg, often zomg11!.
    Posted by Machka

    That helped ;o)

  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited June 2011
    I know in the past couple of years or so Ivey has come to accept his place in the poker world and be much more open about things but this is just a quantum leap from the old Ivey.  Makes you kind of worry about how bad it is there if he feels he has to do this.
  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited June 2011
    Personally I think that this shows that the site that Phil Ivey is well known for being affiliated with is probably not the best one to be making any new deposits with.  I'm not sure if the withdrawal process is working fine for EU players, but if I had any serious money on there I'd def be withdrawing.

    The other 'big name' poker site that was affected by the whole DOJ thing seems to be far, far more proactive in its entire approach to the DOJ and think they will be fine.

    This action from Ivey only increases the likely hood that FTP will totally sink in the near future.  Not just because if he is making action like this it is clear that things are very wrong with the whole operation, but also because it will probably scare non-US players even more of having funds on there.
  • DannyMcsDannyMcs Member Posts: 471
    edited June 2011
    lots more zomgs to come
    You're not wrong. Nick Rainey's litany of complaints about FTP on Quad Jacks contained some *very* serious allegations:

    * 100% rakeback accounts being bought and sold
    * Sponsored players allowed & encouraged to multi-account
    * Player account money being used on marketing/business expenses

    etc etc. crazy stuff.
  • CrunchybobCrunchybob Member Posts: 576
    edited June 2011
    In Ivey We Trust!!!
  • AcidMan27AcidMan27 Member Posts: 3,752
    edited June 2011

    In Response to Re: Phil Ivey statement RE DOJ....:
    Personally I think that this shows that the site that Phil Ivey is well known for being affiliated with is probably not the best one to be making any new deposits with.  I'm not sure if the withdrawal process is working fine for EU players, but if I had any serious money on there I'd def be withdrawing. The other 'big name' poker site that was affected by the whole DOJ thing seems to be far, far more proactive in its entire approach to the DOJ and think they will be fine. This action from Ivey only increases the likely hood that FTP will totally sink in the near future.  Not just because if he is making action like this it is clear that things are very wrong with the whole operation, but also because it will probably scare non-US players even more of having funds on there.
    Posted by scotty77
    100% agree.
  • J-HartiganJ-Hartigan Member Posts: 2,756
    edited June 2011
    Tom Dwan has pledged to give back 100% of his earnings as a sponsored pro, if FTP doesn't refund all players in full! :-0

  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Phil Ivey statement RE DOJ....:
    Tom Dwan has pledged to give back 100% of his earnings as a sponsored pro, if FTP doesn't refund all players in full! :-0
    Posted by J-Hartigan
    Does this include all the winnings from the Durrrr challenges?  Oh wait....
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited June 2011
    Very commendable (and worrying) public statement from Mr.  Ivey.

    As stated above, I think it is likely to be the tip of the iceberg
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,097
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Phil Ivey statement RE DOJ....:
    Very commendable (and worrying) public statement from Mr.  Ivey. As stated above, I think it is likely to be the tip of the iceberg
    Posted by AMYBR
    Have to say, +1 to that, I'm afraid.

    The whole thing is extremely sad, imo. Many reputations in tatters, & I know numerous people associated with the Site in either a business capacity, or as Red Pros, as well as regular players there who are owed a lot of money which they can't get their hands on, though I'm sure they'll get it in due course. I feel for almost all of them, though not those who allegedly sought to circumvent the law. When holding other people's cash, Companies have a very special need to be squeaky clean in every way.  
     
    Contrary to what many may think, I take no pleasure or satisfaction whatsoever in watching the whole house of cards come slowly tumbling down.

    I really wish the whole thing were just a bad dream, but it's a nightmare.  
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited June 2011
    I could scour the internet for the answer to this but every time you put Phil Ivey + Full Tilt into a search engine you get a very narrow range from a browser.

    What is the essential business relationship between FT and Ivey these days?  I know he's their poster boy and a red pro, but does he have any integral connection to the business beyond this?

    Breach of trust is the key issue as you say Tikay.  People need to be able to play with complete confidence, but also be able to believe the site is honourable and transparent in their practises.  I logged onto FT last night and was shocked that it was running at about 20% of its previous capacity.
  • JockBMWJockBMW Member Posts: 2,653
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Phil Ivey statement RE DOJ....:
    Tom Dwan has pledged to give back 100% of his earnings as a sponsored pro, if FTP doesn't refund all players in full! :-0
    Posted by J-Hartigan

    Wow.... Even if that's a small percentage of his worth, that's still an amazing gesture 

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,097
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Phil Ivey statement RE DOJ....:
    I could scour the internet for the answer to this but every time you put Phil Ivey + Full Tilt into a search engine you get a very narrow range from a browser. What is the essential business relationship between FT and Ivey these days?  I know he's their poster boy and a red pro, but does he have any integral connection to the business beyond this? Breach of trust is the key issue as you say Tikay.  People need to be able to play with complete confidence, but also be able to believe the site is honourable and transparent in their practises.  I logged onto FT last night and was shocked that it was running at about 20% of its previous capacity.
    Posted by AMYBR
    Yup.

    To be fair, "20% of previous capacity" is not backed up by reliable traffic stats, which can be viewed at places such as pokerscout, it's not quite that bad yet, & I sincerely hope it stabilises soon.

    FT lost about 35% of it's traffic in the immediate aftermath of Black Friday, iirc, & in the last 4 weeks, has seen further declines of 5%, 5%, 5%, &, last week, 7%, respectively.

    All very sad, but despite my unease with the whole thing, & for my friends & acquaintances who are affected by it, I really have zero-tolerance for any abuse of trust, most especially when it involves holding other peoples money. There can & must be no excuses or caveats on this, none whatsoever.
  • Sky_DaveSky_Dave Member Posts: 3,288
    edited June 2011
    For those of who want a quick run through what's happened here, we've put together a quick news piece...

    Phil Ivey Boycotts WSOP
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Phil Ivey statement RE DOJ....:
    In Response to Re: Phil Ivey statement RE DOJ.... : Yup. To be fair, "20% of previous capacity" is not backed up by reliable traffic stats, which can be viewed at places such as pokerscout, it's not quite that bad yet, & I sincerely hope it stabilises soon. FT lost about 35% of it's traffic in the immediate aftermath of Black Friday, iirc, & in the last 4 weeks, has seen further declines of 5%, 5%, 5%, &, last week, 7%, respectively. All very sad, but despite my unease with the whole thing, & for my friends & acquaintances who are affected by it, I really have zero-tolerance for any abuse of trust, most especially when it involves holding other peoples money. There can & must be no excuses or caveats on this, none whatsoever.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Potentially time of day was an aspect of the volume I saw.

    Most people know that online poker isnt my preffered format.  But to its credit, these recent issues abroad have highlighted some of the true strengths of Sky Poker.

    There are very clear deposit options, defining responsible gambling clearly with fixed deposit limits.  I always liked that you could multi withdraw without any real hassle, without the option to reverse transfer and such.  Plus the money is normally in your bank within 3 days.  Plus you dont have to go through any ridiculously convoluted ID confirmation to withdraw.  Hate this on some sites.  They'll happily take your money blind, but when it comes to withdrawing its a different matter.

  • MrWh1teMrWh1te Member Posts: 963
    edited June 2011
    lol you obviously dont deposit on here a lot :p
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited June 2011
    How so?  Which end of the stick am I holding?
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