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whats your views on this hand??
BURNShurtz
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| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| GEMO | Small blind | £0.20 | £0.20 | £13.08 | |
| foye29 | Big blind | £0.40 | £0.60 | £7.77 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| DN34689 | Fold | ||||
| Dons1983 | Fold | ||||
| ChirpyChip | Fold | ||||
| boogsboy | Raise | £1.20 | £1.80 | £42.89 | |
| blackbeltb | Call | £1.20 | £3.00 | £44.21 | |
| BURNShurtz | Call | £1.20 | £4.20 | £74.56 | |
| GEMO | Call | £1.00 | £5.20 | £12.08 | |
| foye29 | Call | £0.80 | £6.00 | £6.97 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| GEMO | Check | ||||
| foye29 | Check | ||||
| boogsboy | Bet | £3.00 | £9.00 | £39.89 | |
| blackbeltb | Fold | ||||
| BURNShurtz | Call | £3.00 | £12.00 | £71.56 | |
| GEMO | Fold | ||||
| foye29 | Fold | ||||
| Turn | |||||
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| boogsboy | Bet | £6.00 | £18.00 | £33.89 | |
| BURNShurtz | Raise | £12.00 | £30.00 | £59.56 | |
| boogsboy | All-in | £33.89 | £63.89 | £0.00 | |
| BURNShurtz | Fold | ||||
| boogsboy | Muck | ||||
| boogsboy | Win | £34.20 | £34.20 | ||
| boogsboy | Return | £27.89 | £1.80 | £62.09 | |
why did i not reraise pre?? well i did think about it but decided to flat as AK has cost me some money latley
his flop bet looked like a continuation bet so decided to just call that too with the intention of reraiseing on the turn then i just got in a pickle.
your thoughts on where i went wrong and how i should of played it thanks
Comments
flop fine considering you've played it slow pre.
as played flat call turn.
min raise/fold is just comical.
only street I like is flop and thats cos he can keep value betting AQ/AJ
Flop I guess is ok but really should have raised pre then you win more.
Turn is bizarre to minraise showing strength then just fold, crazy. If you flat flop then have to flat turn also.
But on the other hand it kind of gets you in abit of a mess as its clear you dont know where you are on the flop, I dont think many people would given that it goes 5way to flop then significant action.
So I dont hate the flat pre, but I 'm pretty sure I try to isolate abit and put in a solid £5.
But to flat to keep in the weaker hands then fold on the layered bets is a bit counter intuitive. Are you folding to the perceived 10 (which is potentially likely with tiny flop lead + blast on turn - perhaps even a set of 3's)?
FWIW I either min bet turn (as you do) to get to showdown for free on river or go into check call mode, maybe check fold a huge river bet. But the only real hands I'd be concerned by are the set of 3's or A 10pic combo.
Pretty sure he just calls the min turn bet with AQ, but who knows?
FWIW I either min bet turn (as you do) to get to showdown for free on river or go into check call mode, maybe check fold a huge river bet. But the only real hands I'd be concerned by are the set of 3's or A 10pic combo.
are in position why would we go into check call mode.
and the hands that are beating us are all thats beating us bar AA lol.
and fwiw the min raise/fold turn is lol because I'm assuming we min raise for value. to then fold we mays well have had 8 high. if you were gonna fold to a jam then why raise. we are in position and can call and see a river and let him bet with worse.
also raising on that flop isn't bad cos its so dry so not many hands that can be beating us. AT/A3 is unlikely as we have an A. TT/33 are all that can really be ahead on the flop.
If all 4 villains in hand were also 190bb deep then yh we have to proceed with caution but surely the reason for flatting with AK OTB is for a flop like A T 3 rainbow which is probably the best we can hope for other than an effective nut hand like top 2 or top trips etc.
Flatting or raising flop is both ok. You've disgusied the strengh of your hand so you can either get value from AQ/AJ etc on the flop by riasing or we can flat and continue to get value from those hands and all our villains blufsf by just calling.
The big problem here is the turn.
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are in position why would we go into check call mode.Because he let 5 people see the flop
still don't know how we can go into check call mode when on the button lol
Hadnt really noticed the 2 shorter stacks.
My issue with letting 5 see the flop is the increased range potential. But I agree when hoping to catch the weaker A behind its about a good a flop as your going to get.
I do overanalyse things at times. I have to wonder why Opponent leads flop small after opening pre then 3 bet jams turn. It looks a lot like 3's full, more so than an AQ type hand, but you could both be holding the same hand. The shove turn could be defensive though, or massively overplaying an inferior A.
Like I say, I def re raise flop if not 3 bet pre, not happy for that many people to go to turn in any instance.
I might raise flop, but calling is fine imo.
Dont like the turn raise, I think it overreps your hand, if you flat flop then flat turn as well. raise/fold turn is lolbad unless yu have some cast iron read he only raises better and calls with lots worse
raising flop because he might hit a 5 outer is bad imo. Whether you raise or flat depends what range he continues with when you raise
you 3bet AK because worse will call, its not to make people fold garbage
Raise flop is good if he continues with worse. But the point you make about turn applies to flop also, we are either way ahead or way behind. We can raise if he continues with enough worse hands, but the reason is again for value, not so we might stop him sucking out, when hes only about 10% at best to do so. I think I like the flat, its a multiway pot and we keep the weaker part of his range in ip.
Raising turn might be ok too if we know he stacks off with Ax, but in general I prefer flatting
flop raise is also for value if we do it, not to protect against 5 outers. Whether raising or flatting is better depends on how other players play. There are lots of players I would fold AQ to if I was raised in a multiway pot on that board, I doubt most at 10NL would, but we still have to consider do enough worse hands call, how often villain barrells turn etc
as played pre
raise flop
shove turn