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Sky Roller satelite thoughts

YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
edited June 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Ugh im so tilted did i play this right? i put on flush draw so thought i would shove and not give the odds? early on in sat 50 runners 5 get seats...
FLATCAPBIL Small blind  10.00 10.00 1870.00
offshoot Big blind  20.00 30.00 1670.00
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • J
     
rosjim1 Fold     
MAZ2006 Fold     
YOUNG_GUN Raise  60.00 90.00 1940.00
beaneh Fold     
FLATCAPBIL Fold     
offshoot Call  40.00 130.00 1630.00
Flop
   
  • K
  • 4
  • 7
     
offshoot Check     
YOUNG_GUN Bet  95.00 225.00 1845.00
offshoot Raise  260.00 485.00 1370.00
YOUNG_GUN All-in  1845.00 2330.00 0.00
offshoot All-in  1370.00 3700.00 0.00
YOUNG_GUN Unmatched bet  310.00 3390.00 310.00
offshoot Show
  • 7
  • A
   
YOUNG_GUN Show
  • K
  • J
   
Turn
   
  • Q
     
River
   
  • 5
     
offshoot Win Flush to the Ace 3390.00  3390.00
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    heres stove's view so surely offshoot's standard call here but haved i overplayed my hand?

    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt990 games 0.005 secs 198,000 games/secBoard: Ks 4s 7hDead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 51.111% 51.11% 00.00% 506 0.00 { KcJs }Hand 1: 48.889% 48.89% 00.00% 484 0.00 { As7s }
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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,072
    edited June 2011

    i'd call the raise on the flop then jam the turn if it was a blank

    ul tho m8

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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    I would fold
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    be more specific in my spot or offy's ty
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited June 2011
    i always thought offshoot was very TAG tbh. Certainly one of the better opponents you could be up against. In this spot, i probably fold to him. We only have TKGK against an opponent who IMO will NEVER call with worse.

    Ul btw bud.


    P.S. I now await offshoot comming and saying he will call with worse lol.
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited June 2011

    Ul YG

    In a satellite i like to keep pots v small early.

    I would never rejam like you did, because, unless he has that precise hand (nfd with 1 pair) you are only getting called if you are crushed. I really dont think he would ever be stone cold bluffing here, he must have a fd, or a set usually.

    I think i would flat the flop and if he leads the turn, i would fold. If he checks a non spade turn, i would stick a sizeable bet in and prob tid.

    But as grantorino says, it may be just advisable to fold the flop vs a very strong opponant

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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    lets play a game tilt me more.. :(
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2011
    He did call with worse ;)
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    offshoots play ia 100% standard

    yours is dependent on how often you think offshoot bluffs. I would think his value raising range (inc semibluffs) has you beat, unless there is some strange dynamic
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Sky Roller satelite thoughts:
    He did call with worse ;)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    yea in a tecnicallity. % wise hes about 50% isnt he?

    2x 7 + 3x A + 9x spades = 14 outs.

    14*4 = 56%

    so he called with better :P  
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    he didnt donald! look at my second post that is pokerstove about as close to 50/50 you can get im 51%
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Sky Roller satelite thoughts:
    In Response to Re: Sky Roller satelite thoughts : yea in a tecnicallity. % wise hes about 50% isnt he? 2x 7 + 3x A + 9x spades = 14 outs. 14*4 = 56% so he called with better :P  
    Posted by The_Don90
    heres stove's view so surely offshoot's standard call here but haved i overplayed my hand? 

    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt990 games 0.005 secs 198,000 games/secBoard: Ks 4s 7hDead:equity win tie pots won pots tiedHand 0: 51.111% 51.11% 00.00% 506 0.00 { KcJs }Hand 1: 48.889% 48.89% 00.00% 484 0.00 { As7s }
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Sky Roller satelite thoughts:
    he didnt donald! look at my second post that is pokerstove about as close to 50/50 you can get im 51%
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    didnt realise u had the J of spades sorry. so thats one less out. im still making him out in this hand to be 52%
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    hmmm don or pokerstove who do i believe? dumbo!!!
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2011
    He is roughly 52% to improve by the river.

    But he can improve by the river and still lose the hand.

    For example the turn is a red ace and the river is a king.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Sky Roller satelite thoughts:
    hmmm don or pokerstove who do i believe? dumbo!!!
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    ill pot this into an odds calculator which is better than me. And i trust more than pokerstove because it puts it hand v hand rather than against a range of hands.

    Kc Js v As 7s on Ks 7h 4s flop.

    KJ - 51.4

    A7 - 48.6

    Yeap ur right, however this is still effectivley AK v QQ imo.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Sky Roller satelite thoughts:
    He is roughly 52% to improve by the river. But he can improve by the river and still lose the hand. For example the turn is a red ace and the river is a king.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    cheers for clarifying this up JJ, thats where my %ages where going wrong.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Sky Roller satelite thoughts:
    In Response to Re: Sky Roller satelite thoughts : cheers for clarifying this up JJ, thats where my %ages where going wrong.
    Posted by The_Don90
    i put individual hands on pokerstove
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  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited June 2011
    you can put a range of 1 hand into pokerstove, lol
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Sky Roller satelite thoughts:
    you can put a range of 1 hand into pokerstove, lol
    Posted by DeucesLive
    it just confuses me that software. online calculators with select cards and srag ftw. pmsl
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